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Chris0382
02-22-2007, 06:25 AM
I want to use this discussion as a way for me to learn about the secret weapons as I keep coming across stuff I never knew before. We can all learn a bit from this also.

Ive mentioned the Fritz-X bombs guided by a joystick by the front gunner in the nose of the bomber.Used to sink the surrendering Italian fleet heading to Malta.

I just came across the Henschel 293 guided glide bombe carrying a 1000 lb warhead. Didnt work as well as the Fritz-X.

IMO these are major weaponary breakthrus and makes it quite fortunate the war didnt start 2 years later.

I thought maybe others could contribute and we all learn something new.

I challenge you to teach me something new

Klemm.co
02-22-2007, 06:35 AM
IIRC Hitlers Generals didn't want to start the war until sometime in 1944 or 45.
But Hitler did what he wanted to anyway, and so the underarmed and largely unprepared German army attacked in 1939 (I don't think that many of you know that the German army was very weak in 1939 and only beat Poland because it was even weaker than Germany and Russia helped).

The Germans also developed the Wasserfall missile which was cancelled in February 1945, but was very promising and was the basis for the American Hermes AA missile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserfall_missile
Very interesting design and i think it would have been devastating if used in large numbers some one or two years earlier.

MadRuski
02-22-2007, 06:40 AM
Germany was armed to the teeth by 1941.

R988z
02-22-2007, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by MadRuski:
Germany was armed to the teeth by 1941.

Germany didn't even start proper rationing or wartime production until later in the war, as opposed to say the US which geared up for wartime production from the very start.

Just look at the production figures, Germany is crusing along until 1944 when it suddenly realises it's getting it's butt kicked on all sides and puts it's foot down. Japan is even worse. The UK scales up to maximum production quickly but doesn't seem able to inrease much beyond that. The US figures are rather impressive though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WW2_aircraft_production

LStarosta
02-22-2007, 07:05 AM
My favorite secret weapon of WWII is the M2 .50 cal.

tomtheyak
02-22-2007, 07:14 AM
Well, apart from the invention so secret even its inventor didnt know he'd invented it, this comes in a close second...

LINKAGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjbYNgIi5ss)

ploughman
02-22-2007, 07:14 AM
Miss Shilling's Orifice.

Chris0382
02-22-2007, 07:21 AM
Neat little links there. Take the secret part as a grain of salt. I want to learn about weapons that are special things that stand out and make someone say WOW.

Also I have to mention America's Little David thas was going to be used to smash fortresses. It was never used. I took pictures of it when I was stationed at Aberdeen Proving Grounds for my packaging course.

Although Germany was armed to the teeth it was outnumbered in human population and really needed better weapons to get a better advantage. Germany did well given it also made catatostrophic decisions. It really needed advanced functional weaponry to win the war and it was to little to late thankfully.

All in all thankfully Sziliard came to the allies side as bothe were trying to harness the energy release from a split atom.

Also if we get off topic so be it just keep thing freindly. I find the discussion interesting.

berg417448
02-22-2007, 08:40 AM
Here are some other guided weapons which were developed and used in WWII:

AZON bomb: Azon was used with moderate success in the Mediterranean and European theaters and with great success in the China Burma India theater where B-24 crews knocked out 14 bridges in seven missions.

http://www.space.edu/LibraryResearch/swanson/Exhibits/Azon.htm
http://www.455th.ukpc.net/tomfeise/455th/458azon.htm

Bat bomb:

The US Navy designed Bat bomb was active RADAR homed weapon and was used in combat.
http://biomicro.sdstate.edu/pederses/asmbat.html

The TDR-1 Assault Drone
Remote-control or "stand-off" weapons were used in the Pacific. The TDR-1 Assault Drone carried a 2,000 lb. bomb load or torpedo, and included a TV camera for close-in guidance. The control plane carried a crew of four which included two pilots who's job it was to control the flight of the drone.

The U.S. Navy's first tactical precision guided weapon, the Interstate TDR-1 Assault Drone made some 100 successful attacks against anti-aircraft facilities in the South Pacific."


"Over the course of a month, VK-11 and VK-12 expended 46 TDRs in combat. Of these, 37 reached target areas, and at least 21 successfully executed precision attacks."

http://www.stagone.org/ns.html

stathem
02-22-2007, 08:43 AM
The proximity fused shell. A absolute marvel.

and, really it's the pressures and lessons of war that lead to development of weapons like the Fritz-X and certainly the Wasserfall, so it's not really a question of "if the war had started later."

BlitzPig_DDT
02-22-2007, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by stathem:
The proximity fused shell. A absolute marvel.

and, really it's the pressures and lessons of war that lead to development of weapons like the Fritz-X and certainly the Wasserfall, so it's not really a question of "if the war had started later."

This is precisely why real war is actually good. Pacifists suck.

My vote goes to the Go-229. The only aircraft with the right number if vertical surfaces. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

F19_tintin
02-22-2007, 08:54 AM
The Batbomb http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Bats with incindary bombs that where to be droped over Japan's citys
When they tested it it destroyed:
The Generals Staff car
The controll tower
etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

Krizz1972
02-22-2007, 08:58 AM
Horten Ho IX


http://www.imgnow.de/uploads/horten39ff2b7e3jpg.jpg

http://www.imgnow.de/uploads/horten51015d51djpg.jpg

http://www.imgnow.de/uploads/HoIX13922e057jpg.jpg

http://www.billzilla.org/horten.jpg

fighter_966
02-22-2007, 09:40 AM
Actually Henschel 293 was as very succesful as was Sd1400 known as Fritz-x.Henschel had differnt variants from Hs293a-o to Hs293v-6 war headsize was550kg.Fritz,s war head was 1400kg amatol about 2000 units were build and abou200 were launched...In these threads has been some wrong info about V-1 steering systems so here is correct (for Tagert)
:The missile was now climbing steadily at 500 feet per minute and various control system began to function.The master magnetic compass compared the missiles heading with azimuth set in to compass.If it discovered a deviation it would send a blast of compressed airdown a duct to the master gyroscope nudging it in required direction.Movement of the gyro was then converted into another movement of compressed air to the relevant servo motor controlling the tailfin steering machine to right track.Similar barometric sensor sampled the air pressure and once the altitude was 3000 feet had been reached the elevator controls were operated to bring machine into level flight.So the range wasnt set by fuel amount and wind didnt change direction V1 wasnt very precise weapon still, most launch went astray as target point was Tower castle and guidimng system didnt have computer The range was measured by air-log
propeller in other words when missile flew air-log propellor turned and through gearing system
gradually counted up the airmiles flown...so Basically it was preCruisemissile Source: Germans secret Weapons of second world war By Ian Hogg

Marcel_Albert
02-22-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Klemm.co:
underarmed and largely unprepared German army attacked in 1939

By 1940 , they already had the largest tank force , the largest military force (3 millions of men in 1940 ) after USSR, the largest airforce after USSR and some of the best trained elite troops in a context of militarist society where many kids were prepared for being soldiers at a young age . Everything was made to prepare the youth to war under that regime , the training of their troops was one of the best , and their army had the most advanced tactics (not only blitzkrieg ) , the most mobile and mechanized army (modern) , as well as some of the best tacticians , in short , Germany since end of 1939/early 1940 is clearly the strongest army force in Europe with USSR and the most effective tactical and mobile force for achieving strategical superiority in a limited time at one given point , there is no doubt about it . Production figures have little to do with the fact that comparatively to other democraties , the Nazi totalitarian regime was better equiped or at least equal , more numerous (could mobilize more men , Germany used a total 12 millions soldiers throughout WWII ) had a stronger and more effective war machine than their western counterpart by 1940 , in fact the German army has never been as strong as in 1940-41 comparatively to their ennemy (in June 41 , they occupy Europe and attack USSR with 7 millions men in uniform ... only USSR can compete ). They begin to lose the supremacy by late 1942 (except if you count their failure to take Moscow and Leningrad in 41 ), but you can't conqueer the whole Europe with a weak army , only Napoleon and Hitler did it , and you need the finest army and generals to do it . It's in 1936-38 that they are still rather weak , but when Hitler attacks in September 1939 , he calculated everything and was well informed about his neighbours and its own potential , and IMHO , it's not possible to say that the German army was less experienced or less well prepared than for instance , the British or French army in 39-40 , but i respect your opinion .

FliegerAas
02-22-2007, 01:24 PM
Some pictures of "secret weapons" I recently took during my holidays:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3968/img0029ay1.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2596/img0033zg7.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3200/img0050ao8.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1328/img0030cn0.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6041/img0049ug1.jpg


http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3380/img0075fs3.jpg

Chris0382
02-22-2007, 03:42 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FliegerAas:
Some pictures of "secret weapons" I recently took during my holidays:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

wERe are those pics from. Realy cool. And I like all the articles posted.

I saw on a documentary that German Knights invaded Russia in 1242 and had problems with the winter as they had in 1940. Correct the date if Im wrong on it.

FliegerAas
02-22-2007, 04:01 PM
http://www.deutsches-museum.de/en/

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

waffen-79
02-22-2007, 07:39 PM
Better WW2 SECRET weapon (and it also won teh war!) for me is:

ESPIONAGE

stalkervision
02-22-2007, 07:56 PM
The Natter by far..

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3968/img0029ay1.jpg

Hope to make a R.C aircraft with working throttable rocket engine someday if I can figure out how to make one work! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ElAurens
02-22-2007, 08:57 PM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8249/bombvf0.jpg

AKA_TAGERT
02-22-2007, 09:09 PM
spliting atoms FTW

AVG_WarHawk
02-22-2007, 09:23 PM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/AVG_WarHawk/Amwpns.jpg
No argument there, "little boy" and "fat man" take the cake. Not that they're a favorite, but certainly the most effective.

Esel1964
02-23-2007, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
My favorite secret weapon of WWII is the M2 .50 cal.

Your sig-pic could've been used by psy-ops to make them miss their fraus.

Esel1964
02-23-2007, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by F19_tintin:
The Batbomb http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Bats with incindary bombs that where to be droped over Japan's citys
When they tested it it destroyed:
The Generals Staff car
The controll tower
etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif That's what I was going to say.

flyingloon
02-23-2007, 03:42 AM
about the V-1 - anyone hear about how the german scientists were having problems in development with the guidance, and they kept on bellying in during testing? well the solution was that Hannah Reichs (sp?) volunteered to sit atop of one with some crude controls to figure out why they dropped out of the sky. some issue iwth the gyro's that wouldn't have been fixed without someone actually piloting it and correcting the problem in flight.

NagaSadow84
02-23-2007, 04:07 AM
Zentrifugal-Maschinengewehr
German Machinegun designed by a guy working for the SS. Reached 15.000(!!) RPM in 1943/44. Development of a 30.000 RPM Version was stopped in 1944, when they realized, that there was no need for a 1t machinegun firing about 250kg~ of ammunition per minute... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fighter_966
02-23-2007, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by flyingloon:
about the V-1 - anyone hear about how the german scientists were having problems in development with the guidance, and they kept on bellying in during testing? well the solution was that Hannah Reichs (sp?) volunteered to sit atop of one with some crude controls to figure out why they dropped out of the sky. some issue iwth the gyro's that wouldn't have been fixed without someone actually piloting it and correcting the problem in flight.

Yes there has been also movie abot Hanna Reichs flying that thing....Youre right about gyro problem

BaldieJr
02-23-2007, 04:16 AM
Does spam count?

ploughman
02-23-2007, 05:25 AM
Well if we're going to be serious then my money's on the cavity magnetron. Some other mentionables are the A-bomb, Oboe, the V2, and spiced ham in a can (ditto Baldie's).

Chris0382
02-23-2007, 06:03 AM
Ah no ones mentioned Germany's secret underground factories in full production in 1944. This enabled them to launch Operation Mist "The Battle of the Bulge" that cost 80,000 USA casualties and 20,000 USA soldiers dead. Reports are that the Generals were astonished at the artillary Germany had available and had no idea were it came from or that they could make such equipment as most of the factories were bombed.

IMO, this was a the most costly secret the Germans had in terms of loss of life for the USA.

BSS_Goat
02-23-2007, 06:31 AM
How can you lose with these bazookas?


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j141/goatkisser/hot.jpg

Daiichidoku
02-23-2007, 10:10 AM
how can anyone know what weapon they like most, if its "secret"?

msalama
02-23-2007, 10:25 AM
A good point Doku.

Chris0382
02-23-2007, 01:20 PM
But WW2 is in the past and I mentioned take it with a grain of salt lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dagnabit
02-23-2007, 11:55 PM
I was reading a long time ago about how Nazi spys used a very small device such as a disguised ink pen or a lighter to shoot a very small dart made of highly purified nicotine that would kill very quickly. It has been many moons since I read about this device, so please excuse my vagueness on this.
Good thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

GR142-Pipper
02-24-2007, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Bomb pic While I fully agree with you that atomic weapons were by far the most significant development during WWII, two other events that I find pretty interesting would be the cracking of the German and Japanese codes by the British and the Americans. Both of these occurrances were top secret and had far reaching effects. They're not hardware but they are headwork.

GR142-Pipper

fighter_966
02-24-2007, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Dagnabit:
I was reading a long time ago about how Nazi spys used a very small device such as a disguised ink pen or a lighter to shoot a very small dart made of highly purified nicotine that would kill very quickly. It has been many moons since I read about this device, so please excuse my vagueness on this.
Good thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif
That was SOE who used pen to kill mybe abhwehr too which btw werentso full of ideologyas you thought Canaris was headof it and was shot....

Chris0382
02-24-2007, 07:24 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GR142-Pipper:
two other events that I find pretty interesting would be the cracking of the German and Japanese codes by the British and the Americans.

I have to agrre The capture of the Enigma and othe decoding is worthy of a mention. Spot on Pipper

fighter_966
02-24-2007, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Chris0382:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GR142-Pipper:
two other events that I find pretty interesting would be the cracking of the German and Japanese codes by the British and the Americans.

I have to agrre The capture of the Enigma and othe decoding is worthy of a mention. Spot on Pipper
One the most decisive incident in ww2

TheShark888
02-24-2007, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:
...he calculated everything and was well informed about his neighbours and its own potential...

It's 2007 so you should NOT be so mixed up in your facts. I can't even begin to correct your factual errors in your paragraph..."most mobile mechanized army" and "7 million men attacking USSR" and the above quote about Hitler's war-making abilities..Oh Brother!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

fighter_966
02-24-2007, 10:07 AM
Adolphs War plan was Gamble from the start..Remember Tsechkoslovakia and Danzig incident. He was afraid how Britain and France would react and.. for last moment he hoped that peace would stay with Britain.. lucky for us Brits were more clever http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Marcel_Albert
02-24-2007, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by TheShark888:
It's 2007 so you should NOT be so mixed up in your facts. I can't even begin to correct your factual errors in your paragraph..."most mobile mechanized army" and "7 million men attacking USSR" and the above quote about Hitler's war-making abilities..Oh Brother!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Yea , 2007 , correct it then , all the figures i advance are directly taken from my history book , i'm history student ...

Indeed it was the most mechanized army at the time and the most modern , it 'd be really funny if you could prove otherwise , German High Command believed in large scale mechanized warfare before the war as opposed to other countries .

7 millions men is the number of men they could field in 1941 , they attacked USSR with 3.5 millions , but 7 millions is the total number of men in uniform they disposed in Europe at this date and that is what i stated and i can scan you about three post-2000 history books that states it .

Maybe give some arguments , because here you only arrogantly flame someone for free who anticipated about being flamed btw , i noticed the trigger happiness against French people on the Ubi boards paradoxically , i thus verified my numbers before posting .

About Hitler war abilities , you surely know more than my 40 years of experience and 10 years master degree + thesis professors on the subject . FYI , Hitler isn't the crazy gaffer you might suspect before 1942 , far from it , he was extremely well advised .
My assessment that Hitler and his generals had at their disposal detailed informations about his ennemies and a clear idea about his war machine potential is correct . The gamble was about his ennemy reactions and the time factor among other things .

fighter_966
02-24-2007, 11:25 AM
I can point some books which states that Grermany wasnt so mechanized at beginning...For example their Sdkz250 thats haltrack serie wasnt ready to use 1940.. their tanks pzkw1 and 2 and 3 actually were weaker than for example French models Somua and French main battletank at start of the war. Only thing how Germany beat oppoturnities was their better coordinated airforce infantry strikes( Poland and French) in Poland question Russia stroke back of the Poland same time.Marcel is right about Intel-info Germany knew his opponents better than they Germany..Btw Adi was crazy
his family roots were so twisted.. Hitler wasnt his orginal family name but Schikleburger or something.. There wasnt any sane person coming from that family..A.was megalomaniac for start
Source:Eva Brauns story ..diary of Himmlers doctor.

Marcel_Albert
02-24-2007, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by fighter_966:
I can point some books which states that Grermany wasnt so mechanized at beginning...For example their Sdkz250 thats haltrack serie wasnt ready to use 1940.. their tanks pzkw1 and 2 and 3 actually were weaker than for example French models Somua and French main battletank at start of the war.

Yep indeed , very true mate , but these tank models were not enough widespread in the French army (i mean large Tank Units in general , we didn't have enough of them operational in the front line and autonomous ) , although they beat the German tank almost every time they could face them on open terrain , the superior German tactics , overwhelming numbers (2.5 millions vs 1 million men operational ) at the time , the German infantry was largely motorized as opposed to their ennemy and their logistic organisation and superior tactics ( complementarity between airforce and ground force ) could as i stated in my initial post , make them able to achieve strategical superiority in a given location in limited time much more effectively than their ennemy that were completely disorganized , too slow and thus couldn't face the first use of Blitzkrieg tactics with efficient strategies , as they were not mobile enough and could not strike as fast simultaneously at different critical spots nor counter-attack at the same scale , thus they were on the defensive (sort of military sclerosis because everything goes too fast , orders are already outdated when they arrive at front line , back lines and supply networks in chaos etc.. , only way to fight a Blitzkrieg is with a Blitzkrieg , Soviet understood it quickly ) and the front line quickly surrounded by the pincer tactics or whatever it is called in English . There is also the fact that the German officer enjoyed more freedom , given the nature of the Bliztkrieg (time factor very important ) , thus the need to take tactical decisions quickly , it was quite important that they left a higher margin of initiative to their high officers , it's crucial in such context .

Really , if one thing is sure , is that "comparatively to their ennemy" , the Nazi German army was the strongest between 1940 and 1942 . Afterwards , they have more men , better equipment , but their main ennemies too had catched up , and by 1943 , we cannot say that the German army is the most powerful army in Europe anymore , it's the Red Army . 1940-41 is the "goold old days" for the Wehrmacht , it's at that time that they conqueer almost the whole Europe .

Chris0382
02-24-2007, 11:54 AM
I think it should be highlighted as touched on by Marcel that the German strategy was based on Blitzkrieg and fast victory. They had not planned for long drawn out battles; they expected quick victory a gambel that hitler lost quite a few times.

A neat fact:

In a documentary on the battle of Russia as the Germans ransacked the author of "War and Peace" Leo Tolstoy's home, "all they had to do is pick up his book and learn their fate".

I really liked that quote.

fighter_966
02-24-2007, 12:11 PM
Strenght of German army at beginng of war1937
36 division infantry 3panzer division 3350 aeroplanes+of course reserve which mean about 3 million men army. 1939 situation on German army
62 infantry division 10panzerdivision lufwaffe same I suppose (no specs).. but he adds that amainzingly lot of transportation were still made by horses. My source John keegan History of warfare

TheShark888
02-24-2007, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:

Maybe give some arguments , because here you only arrogantly flame someone for free who anticipated about being flamed btw , i noticed the trigger happiness against French people on the Ubi boards paradoxically , i thus verified my numbers before posting .


First everyone here gets flamed equally...and being an American I have to have a thick skin on any board with non-Americans!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

The German advantages were strictly Strategic. The Allied move into Belgium and bad STRATEGIC mobility of even the French motorized Divisions meant a disaster for the Allies.

But I think you overstate the overall superiority of the German Army in 1940 and 1941.

In May 1940 the Allies had 37 Motorized/ Armored/Cavalry Divisions versus 18 German, then add 115 Allied Infantry to 118 German Infantry and the amount of vehicles in the Allied Divs was much higher.

More than 2/3 of the German Army which invaded the USSR was horse-drawn. The amount of captured Czech or French equipment used to invade the USSR should give a clue to the lack of material that German factories were producing until 1944.

Finally, I just find it very hard to give credit to Hitler for the many successes of the German Army in WW2. He just made too many mistakes... starting with his misjudgement about Allied reaction to the invasion of Poland, stopping the Panzers at the Channel, the whole BOB,invading the USSR-then assigning economic/geographic targets to the panzer spearheads (instaed of MOSCOW), etc. etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

fighter_966
02-24-2007, 12:25 PM
Adi had good commanders thats about it..Heinz Guderian one to mention or Rommel..Ps Ill try to stay out of flameing

major_setback
02-24-2007, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by F19_tintin:
The Batbomb http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Bats with incindary bombs that where to be droped over Japan's citys
When they tested it it destroyed:
The Generals Staff car
The controll tower
etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

Bat Bomb! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I would never have believed it without the link, sounds like a joke without it.

Marcel_Albert
02-24-2007, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by TheShark888:

The German advantages were strictly Strategic. The Allied move into Belgium and bad STRATEGIC mobility of even the French motorized Divisions meant a disaster for the Allies.

But I think you overstate the overall superiority of the German Army in 1940 and 1941.

In May 1940 the Allies had 37 Motorized/ Armored/Cavalry Divisions versus 18 German, then add 115 Allied Infantry to 118 German Infantry and the amount of vehicles in the Allied Divs was much higher.

More than 2/3 of the German Army which invaded the USSR was horse-drawn. The amount of captured Czech or French equipment used to invade the USSR should give a clue to the lack of material that German factories were producing until 1944.

Finally, I just find it very hard to give credit to Hitler for the many successes of the German Army in WW2. He just made too many mistakes... starting with his misjudgement about Allied reaction to the invasion of Poland, stopping the Panzers at the Channel, the whole BOB,invading the USSR-then assigning economic/geographic targets to the panzer spearheads (instaed of MOSCOW), etc. etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Good post , I just want to say a few things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

From my sources , for example , the Battle of France , France had 104 division compared to 141 German divison of infantry and AFAIK , France had 7 armored divisions in late 1939 . I think you can speak about "Allies" for the early war , but everyone fought his war on the ground alone , German fought Polish then Dutch and Belgians , then French , then British forces .

Indeed , at the start of the war , the horse was the primary locomotion mean in all armies .
I respect your opinion when you say i overstate German army in 1940 , you are probably right , but IMHO , it's the strongest army in Europe in 1940 (most effective war machine imho ) but you are right , i probably overstate it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What is important to say is this : Tanks were used as infantry support on the allied side , not as autonomous and specialized tank units like the Germans did , nor the same fire support at their disposal (close air support ) . For example the Germans had less tanks than us , but all their tanks saw combat , and they had more heavy tanks and specialized armor units that were used differently and more effectively during the Blitz , while more than 70% of our tanks were used in very small "tank groups" that had no real autonomy nor tactical use other than supporting the infantry like in WWI , so you are absolutely right about strategical advantage . http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Germany had 4050 aircraft compared to 2280 for France . Also one mustn't forget that French forces were scattered from the Alps where they aborted the Italian offensive , to the East on Maginot line and North , German fast and concentrated attacks managed to obtain local superiority pretty quickly thanks to their better tactics like in the Ardennes or Dunkerke .

I don't think i've magnified Hitler 's strategist abilities , i merely said that before attacking Poland , he was was well informed and advised by his generals and calculated and knew well the risks with the High Command and his own potential .

Thank for your informative posts , i've learned things , i didn' know that as much as 2/3 of German forces were horse powered , i thought it was less , cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hoatee
02-24-2007, 02:00 PM
The Norden sight.

major_setback
02-24-2007, 02:07 PM
Germany's big secret. Shown on the second video down, on this site:
http://www.cee-gee.net/Movies/Movies.htm

Tater-SW-
02-24-2007, 03:24 PM
http://www.mbe.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/images/HiroshimaCloudLarge.gif

FTW.

Alternately:

http://pix.epodunk.com/TX/tx_burkburnett01.jpg

Real armies don't start without the logistics figured out. Even 58% of the CCCP's WW2 oil came from the US. Not so secret, but logistics apparently was a secret to the axis.

NagaSadow84
02-24-2007, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by major_setback:
Germany's big secret. Shown on the second video down, on this site:
http://www.cee-gee.net/Movies/Movies.htm

In 1942(?) a German Company actually built a prototype walking-machine to clear minefields. It was called 'Gelšndeschreiter' (= terrain-walker~). Although it was a bit smaller than the one in the movie... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

rugame
02-24-2007, 05:08 PM
American production capacity.

Chris0382
02-25-2007, 08:36 AM
Phonograph records.

Helped Germany achieve complet suprise during the Bulge as the sounds of the mechanized units were attributed to phonograph records as they (Germans) have used in the past. This helped the Germans achieve complete suprise and unfortunatley contributed the death of 20,000 USA soldiers plus more.