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Sun_Ra
10-13-2008, 10:16 AM
Thought I would post this picture for two reasons. First, my father completed training as a waist gunner in Florida during the war but luckily for him the conflict in the Pacific was winding down and his squad never saw active duty. Second reason, after years of perusing this forum don't think anyone has posted a picture of this powerfull aircraft. In a perfect world we would have a flyable version of this low level attack patrol plane in game. That would be a blast. Note the large waist blister behind the wing, that's where the old man was at the ready with his twin 50's.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/Elrick_02/pb4y-2150dpi.jpg

BOA_Allmenroder
10-13-2008, 10:43 AM
My father was a tail gunner in a Privateer in WW2.

He was in VPB 108 I think.

Sun_Ra
10-13-2008, 12:08 PM
In honor of your father Allmenroder.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/Elrick_02/pb4y-2vpb108.jpg

Think mine was in VPB 122. One more picture.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/Elrick_02/pb4y-2002.jpg

Swivet
10-13-2008, 12:10 PM
Looks like an A-20C except with a ball-turret and that waiste turret and pointy tailfin. Oh yeh and two extra engines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

jarink
10-13-2008, 01:57 PM
The single-tail PB4Y-2 was a derivation of the B-24. Oddly enough, it had better flying characteristics and much improved covered arcs for the waist and tail guns compared to the twin-tailed Liberators. The USAAF finally decided to alter production to single tails during the late stages of the B-24M version (I think), but the war ended before this could happen. This plane was also used as the basis for the B-32 Dominator, which did see brief service at the very end of the war.

B-32 Domniator
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/B32.jpg/800px-B32.jpg

Daiichidoku
10-13-2008, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
The single-tail PB4Y-2 was a derivation of the B-24. Oddly enough, it had better flying characteristics and much improved covered arcs for the waist and tail guns compared to the twin-tailed Liberators.

this was known during design/development, but sacrificed for the less weighty twin tail; gas n bombs were paramount, and more weight off airframe, more of both could be carried

also, twin tail units could be produced faster

Dance
10-13-2008, 02:44 PM
Always found it a strangely attractive ugly bird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dance/privateer.jpg

Aaron_GT
10-13-2008, 03:46 PM
Truly a mighty fin.

staticline1
10-13-2008, 06:49 PM
I love that Shockwave PB4Y-2, its my favorite bird to fly in FS9. The thing is such a delight to fly. I only hope someone can model it for this sim too.

LEXX_Luthor
10-13-2008, 09:33 PM
Something interesting I once read: These were also setup for locating radar ground stations by their emissions and then attack them.

Treetop64
10-13-2008, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by staticline1:
I love that Shockwave PB4Y-2, its my favorite bird to fly in FS9. The thing is such a delight to fly. I only hope someone can model it for this sim too.

Dood, me too! Not my top favorite, but certainly near the top of the list.

P.FunkAdelic
10-14-2008, 12:36 AM
What a mighty tail!

When it comes to bombers ugly is beautiful! This is one hawt bomber. I'd love to try and fit that tail underneath a bridge.

Heliopause
10-14-2008, 10:59 AM
Something interesting I once read: These were also setup for locating radar ground stations by their emissions and then attack them.

I have an article about the B-24N which mentions training against enemy shipping:

Horner's crew and eight others were groomed stateside for low-altitude night bombing of Japanese shipping, relying on H2X/LAB (Low altitude Bombing) radar bomb aiming equipment. Horner recalled: "The mission was to stooge around in the dark at 500 feet and drop on anything that wasn't ours. It was really accurate..."

BOA_Allmenroder
10-15-2008, 07:23 AM
My father tells a story of LCDR Buzz Miller of VPB 109 and his exploits regarding Truk or Pulasomthing.

In this story, Miller calls in the clear that he has damage, cannot fly and is landing at the Japanese airstrip.

He dumps the gear and flaps, turns on the landing lights and sets up. Meanwhile, the Japanese let him keep coming in and do not fire.

Miller keeps transmitting etc etc and as he nears the threshold, cleans up the a/c, goes to full throttle, and salvos the bombs right down the runway.

Or so the story goes.

My father also relates that crews in VPB 109 did not want to fly with Miller: too many were getting killed and/or wounded on his aircraft.

My father also related that most of the missions he flew were 3 a/c patrol missions flown at low altitude (5k ft or so) with low level attacks on any shipping they would find. He doesn't remeber the bomb load they carried for these type missions, but does remember is was very light.

Occasionally they would go a strike mission; he says the crews did not have briefings al la the 8th airforce, but the enlisted crew 'knew' the type of mission they were going on when the got to the aircraft and helped the ordnance folks 'bomb up' the plane. If they say several 500lbers, they knew it was a strike and the tension level would rise dramatically.

He saw one Japanse fighter, a zero floatplane after they did a strike on some harbor. He said the Zero saw them, they saw the Zero, paced each other for a few minutes, and then the Zero turned one way and they turned the opposite. Both wanted no part of the other, apparently.

At the end of the war, VPB 108 (his Sqn) ended up in Shanghai, China where they were approached by OSS folks to fly mercenary for the Nationalists. The theory being if it got too bad, they would fly to Japan.

My father did not volunteer and does not know if any did, or if missions of this type were actually carried out.