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Hanglands
06-19-2007, 08:34 AM
Hi,

Do the following expressions all relate to the same thing?

Lob Bombing
Toss Bombing
Over the shoulder Bombing
Loft Bombing

I cant seem to find a great deal of material about these things, at least not with diagrams.

Wiki has this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toss_bombing) on a page about Over-the-Shoulder bombing :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e2/Overtheshoulderbomb.jpg

When searching for 'lob bombing' there is very little I can find, but I did get this from here (http://cryptome.sabotage.org/ao-cu-sigint.htm):

"Cruz: Literally Spanish word for cross, the outline this fighter-trainer makes at altitude. Used extensively by SADF for lob bombing of Cuban and Angolan positions. This bomber was named Impala by the SADF. It allows the aerial bomber to avoid line-of-sight with intended target during delivery."

That bit about avoiding a line of sight pretty much ties in with what my ideas about lob bombing might be.

I also found a reference to 'lob bombing' from the Falklands conflict here (http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/jfq_pubs/jfq1605.pdf):

"Vulcans and Harriers, the latter had tochange tactics from close-in bombing to lessaccurate lob bombing. This was due largely to the effective Argentine anti-aircraft defenses which were credited with shootingdown five Harriers, plus a few Argentine air-craft which strayed too close."

Avoiding AAA would also be a useful technique to have under the belt, and I suppose this could imply avoiding a line of sight between yourself and the target.

So do these four names refer to the same method of bombing? If not, then what are the differences?

Does anyone use them? If so, then with what level of success?

Many thanks for any help.

Regards.

Scorpion.233
06-19-2007, 08:43 AM
Interesting, but I don't really see how you could aim with it. Unless you're hitting a fairly big target.

Daiichidoku
06-19-2007, 09:45 AM
lob, toss and laft bombing are all the same as over-the-shoulder, except that the ac approaching tgt zooms before reaching tgt, releases ordinance, and continues the loop or other manuever to escape...the bomb sails up, and forward, then returns to earth on tgt

this was a system devised for many types, but primarily US Jabo tactical nuke strikes...chiefly the F-84s...AFAIK, most of them were fitted with LABS(?), an apparatus to facilitate these bombing modes

flyingloon
06-19-2007, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Scorpion.233:
Interesting, but I don't really see how you could aim with it. Unless you're hitting a fairly big target.

Use the force

Hawgdog
06-19-2007, 12:34 PM
Har! My uncle taught that. that is followed up by the "idiot loop"
No fooling. If he were still alive I'd be able to get some old Navy books. About dropping Nukes!

Hanglands
06-19-2007, 12:51 PM
Ahhhh....

http://www.warbirdforum.com/spad1.htm

Thanks fellas.

VonKlugermon
06-19-2007, 01:16 PM
Hmmm, me thinks Hanglands is up to something! More creative bombing techniques for us, perhaps involving some of those German cluster munitions, eh Hanglands?

Willy

LStarosta
06-19-2007, 01:32 PM
Hey Kluge, I hate to break it to ya, but that's not a real bunny.

VonKlugermon
06-19-2007, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Hey Kluge, I hate to break it to ya, but that's not a real bunny.

Yea, but just try and tell HIM that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Willy

Taylortony
06-19-2007, 06:00 PM
Toss bombing is still used today. it is accurate and a method of delivering weaponary to an area without possible detection........ The Jaguar used it all the time, you can approach a target pull up behind a hill and lob your bomb off over the hill while turning back........ the target never even sees the aircraft... as for the accuracy well the ballistic profiles are well know so that is not an issue, you can also spike the target from either another jet at a distance or a man on the deck and literally fly the LGB down the cone onto your target... With a tactical bucket of instant sunshine as we called em (nuke) you do not even have to be that accurate..


The other advantage is you get vertical penetration with tossing em

Hawgdog
06-19-2007, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
With a bucket of instant sunshine you do not even have to be that accurate..

+1

Hanglands
06-20-2007, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by VonKlugermon:
Hmmm, me thinks Hanglands is up to something! More creative bombing techniques for us, perhaps involving some of those German cluster munitions, eh Hanglands?


Perhaps.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Im sure when I first made a couple posts about the stuff I was trying with the AB series, somebody said tey 'Lobbed' either the AB250, or AB500 routinely.
I dont think I'll neccesarily be trying lobbing the AB's, but I do have plans for this technique.

Thanks for the info there guys.

Regards.

MEGILE
06-20-2007, 01:34 PM
Modern Jets have systems which allow you to do a variation of this... pretty sweet