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Trink_Afri-Cola
02-16-2005, 10:07 PM
I read somewhere, it might have been in this forum about using the brake/accelerator pedal from a steering wheel as a poor man's rudder pedal, I just purchase a Saitek x45, what a difference, and I picked up a Saitek 440 steering wheel just to use the pedals as rudder pedals. Does anyone know how to do this Saitekedly speaking?
When I assign the break or accelerator now, I only get one pedal as the rudder and it doesn't stay centered unless I ride my foot on it. Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks.

Trink_Afri-Cola

Trink_Afri-Cola
02-16-2005, 10:07 PM
I read somewhere, it might have been in this forum about using the brake/accelerator pedal from a steering wheel as a poor man's rudder pedal, I just purchase a Saitek x45, what a difference, and I picked up a Saitek 440 steering wheel just to use the pedals as rudder pedals. Does anyone know how to do this Saitekedly speaking?
When I assign the break or accelerator now, I only get one pedal as the rudder and it doesn't stay centered unless I ride my foot on it. Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks.

Trink_Afri-Cola

eddiemac0
02-16-2005, 10:12 PM
how do you like the saitek x-45, I've been eyeing it for a while?
I hope you figure out your pedals, b/c I'm planning to do the same thing...

Trink_Afri-Cola
02-16-2005, 10:44 PM
For me its a whole new world, I played with the keyboard and I see how dumb that was. Big improvement. Got it refurbished from Saiteks website direct for $39.95. really improves cfs3 too.

the rudder is on the back of the plane, it allows the plane to yaw right or left and gives the attacker the impression that you are turning even if you aren't. And it does sort of steer you as well.

panthercules
02-16-2005, 10:54 PM
I use some logitech wheel pedals, so I don't know specifically how your brand works - but some have two settings such that one one setting they map each pedal to a separate axis/button or something, while on the other setting both pedals map to the same axis (so pushing one pedal moves to one end of the axis and pushing the other pedal moves to the other end of the same axis - it is this second setting that you need to put it on to make it work right - there may be a way to do this in whatever driver/calibration software applet came with your wheel/pedal combo.

Good luck - the pedals make it fly soooo much better than twisting the stick or trying to use the keyboard

kSetuni
02-17-2005, 01:08 AM
Eddiemac,

I have used an X45 for over 3 years now. I had used an MS ff1 before that. When I installed the 45 and had a profile, my flying improved tremendously. I'm now moving up to a complete CH setup, as my X45 is starting to wear after 3 hard years of flying. I already have the Pro pedals which I love.

SgtBriggs
02-17-2005, 01:27 AM
hey. i got the x45 too and a few months back i heard about using the racing wheel peddles for a Poormansrudder. what a difference.
i got the ms wheel and all i did was to go into the hotas setup and under rudder, i set my right peddle (that would be the gas one), and walla, works real good. hope you get yours workin.

JunkoIfurita
02-17-2005, 02:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> i got the ms wheel and all i did was to go into the hotas setup and under rudder, i set my right peddle (that would be the gas one), and walla, works real good. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How does that work, exactly? I mean if it does, that's great - but I would have thought that the accelerator and brake pedals would have been on different axis. So do you use the left pedal to rudder left and the right to rudder right?

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Art-J
02-17-2005, 05:30 AM
Just like panthercules described: If You want to have left/right rudder action with left/righ pedal beeing pressed, You have to make sure Your pedals are set to combined axis instead of split axis like they usually are by default (in that case, only one of the pedals seems to work, which You have noticed). I don't have Saitek hardware, but I guess there must be such a setting adjustable somewhere in Saitek drivers. (although it might be different - I needed to do some extensive search to find drivers for my Trust F1 wheel which allowed me to choose combined/split axis action...). Once You change the axis setting, run the game, bind the HOTAS rudder setting and voila! Working fine... Good luck!

FI.Spitsfire
02-17-2005, 06:20 AM
...and is this possible with a microsoft sidewinder wheel and pedals?
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Niiranen
02-17-2005, 08:40 AM
Works fine with Logitech Momo Racing Wheel pedals http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif + Wingman stick in Finland too.

CreaseKeeper
02-17-2005, 08:44 AM
I use MOMO pedals as well with a sidewinder joystick, works like a dream. I adjusted the stick scaling a bit to make it a tad less sensitive but have no issues.

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FI.Spitsfire
02-17-2005, 11:36 AM
M$ sidewinder wheel and pedals work aswell http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
you need the driver for it MS sidewinder game control software 4.0

eddiemac0
02-17-2005, 05:18 PM
does the brake pedal on these wheel and pedal sets feel like a brake pedal; in other words, will it be harder to push one of my pedals?

FI.Spitsfire
02-17-2005, 05:27 PM
No, although one is slightly bigger than the other
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
This owrks great, getting used to it is a bit tricky, keep reaching for the rocker still http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
02-17-2005, 05:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI.Spitsfire:
M$ sidewinder wheel and pedals work aswell http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
you need the driver for it MS sidewinder game control software 4.0 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's USB wheel/pedals only, then. v4.0 doesn't support gameport wheel AFAIK.

Cheers,
Norris

Trink_Afri-Cola
02-17-2005, 07:11 PM
So thank you panthercules and all for your responses. It does work now- the saitek 440 pedals work as rudders, I just unclicked Operate Pedals separately in the steering wheel control panel. (I thought it was that way to begin with but) Problem Solved. Now I just need a higher chair so I don't have to keep my feet propped up but yeah it works!! (by the way, its the right one that sets it to z-axis etc.) And only $34.99 refurbed. Maybe I'll even drive occasionally. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now this may not be approriate, but anyone able to help with the cfs versions as well, those games don't seem to recognize the pedals when I press them on the assign key sections?

Thanks again fellahs

Schlagloch
02-18-2005, 03:42 AM
I tried that today with the pedals of a Fanatec LeMans wheel for the game port and a Evo Cyborg Force for the USB port. Basically it works, but FB+AEP+PF seems to give the wheel higher priority. That means that I can't adjust the sensitivity of the joystick in the settings any more, only the sensitivity for the wheel. And the default setting it applies for the joystick is way too sensitive for me.

Do any of you have an idea how to get PF to recognize the joystick as primary controller (or whatever the right term is)?

DD_NL
02-18-2005, 04:08 AM
Ok, and what about if you have a MSFF2 Joystick on USB and driving pedals from an old and trashed Trustmaster racing wheel.
The pedals normally would connect to the wheel with some weird DIM-plug. But I also have an old generic joystick that has a gameport-cable.
Could I re-wire the pedals to the game-port wire and plug that into the gameport?
Would it show up in the game-devices? Would I be able to assign each pedal to left-rudder and right-rudder key?

FI.Spitsfire
02-18-2005, 05:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI.Spitsfire:
M$ sidewinder wheel and pedals work aswell http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
you need the driver for it MS sidewinder game control software 4.0 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's USB wheel/pedals only, then. v4.0 doesn't support gameport wheel AFAIK.

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry, yeah I'm using USB M$ Sidewinder wheel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif