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Chuck_Older
06-16-2005, 04:05 PM
So, you feel that there's a big difference in the two versions

Well, great. Prove it with more than "I think", "I feel", "I know", "I can tell", "I heard", etc, etc, etc, please

You're making a claim. Back it up. If you don't, I for one don't take you seriously at all. Talk is cheap. back it up with some tests, and by that I don't mean you flew around a bit. make a test regimen. Stick to it. Repeat many times (boring? too bad) so your errors will not mar a test with few data points

If you're making claims, back it up. Playtesting is not screwing around with a couple planes for 10 hours, randomly doing things, ok?

If you can show thee's a big difference, now, please, back up how you can show it's unrealistic with some facts, not your gut feelings

if you can't do that, nobody, least of all Oleg Maddox, is gonna give what you say any type of consideration at all

I'm gonna go defrag my HD and install 4.01m. Later on, I will compare performance with the 3.04m and 4.01m versions of the two planes I know well enough to comment- H81A-2 and P-51D, if I get a chance. Defrag may take some time

Kernow
06-16-2005, 04:56 PM
In general terms there is no difference - just specific changes like the SBD.

stansdds
06-16-2005, 05:08 PM
Torque at speeds near stalling speed seems very much reduced in 4.01, at least in the corsair. I did patch 4.01 over 4.0.

stansdds
06-16-2005, 06:11 PM
I have now patched 3.04 to 4.01 and my initial test seems to indicate there is a difference between 3.04 to 4.01 and 4.0 to 4.01. More testing needed to verify.

SeaFireLIV
06-16-2005, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by stansdds:
I have now patched 3.04 to 4.01 and my initial test seems to indicate there is a difference between 3.04 to 4.01 and 4.0 to 4.01. More testing needed to verify.

For the umpteenth time all I can say is I found taking off had almost no torque with 4.01 over 4.00, but a fresh install (without 4.00) appeared to fix the problem. In fact I just crashlanded and burned an LA5fn cos I slowed down too much on landing, the aircraft swung about on her left wing crashed and caught fire. I immediately got a red screen from burns , but just escaped. It was a perfect mission that nearly turned into disaster!

This couldn`t happen before. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stansdds
06-16-2005, 07:29 PM
Yeah, I have tested again. Down low, slow, especially with gear and flaps down, 4.01 patch over 3.04, throttle up too fast and I will roll to port and crash, patch 4.0 to 4.01 and I can recover, every time. Weird.

AerialTarget
06-16-2005, 07:40 PM
If the flight models for those of us who installed the patch over three point zero four and those of us who installed over four point zero are different, then how are we able to fly online together?

stansdds
06-16-2005, 08:44 PM
Good question and I don't know. I've only tested the Corsair, I'd like to hear from others if they could test the different installs and see what they say.

heywooood
06-16-2005, 09:26 PM
balls - thats all there is to it. utter balls

A.K.Davis
06-16-2005, 09:38 PM
I don't think this true regarding 4.01 over 4.0. Yes readme says install over 3.04, but readme is same from 4.0 with 4.01 swapped for 4.0 and a line added about K-100 supercharger. I can switch back and forth between 4.0 and 4.01 by just switching the files.sfs, and I am not noticing any strange anomolies.

arcadeace
06-16-2005, 09:47 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Same here Davis, this is kinda funny. Its just the 1 file, I've gone back and forth too... so easy. And no problems.

msalama
06-17-2005, 12:17 AM
Gotta confirm this too. Switching files.sfs doesn't change the FM at all...

ICDP
06-17-2005, 12:49 AM
I haven't noticed any difference in torque between 4.00 and 4.01. The two seem almost identical to me apart from some minor yaw stability (probab;y perceived).

arcadeace
06-17-2005, 12:55 AM
Msalama I'm not the best to dicern the nuances of change within patches, but 4.01 seems about the same as 4.0 tho I'm able to land easier. I couldn't make the carriers before now I can, but I'm also getting more used to it. I suggest you read this thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/1541037033) and take special note of the methods in which the "files.SFS" is singled out. It appears obvious, its the only one changed. Then read further for Hunter's explanation. You can go here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/3631067033) too for a few other comments.

SeaFireLIV
06-17-2005, 12:56 AM
I`m only saying it like it actually happened. Of course, I do have that weird feeling that I`ve fallen subject to the mass hysteria.

It really most probably is a case of perception than what`s really happening.

As an artist I should know better, I was always taught not to believe my eyes, but what my measurements told me.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

iwn1967
06-17-2005, 01:13 AM
As I noted in another thread the new flight model does not offer much of a challenge. I found the carrier operations just great after PF was out, with 3.04 it got even better to follow the book, setting trim, flaps, spooling up before releasing the brakes and how rewarding it was to learn to land to that tiny spot. It was not impossible at all, but enough to give a challenge and keep oneself at his toes later on when flying the missions or coops in multiplayer.

Now that challenge is taken away and I´m seriously considering giving up the multiplayer carieer and returning to 3.04 for single player mode. Take-offs can be done without any of the preliminary setting, just power up and go.
FM is arcade-like and my squadron mates confirmed it. Pro´s are planning to run the servers either in 3.04 or 4.00.

Spoiling the FM seems to me as a sales promoting gesture, but as we saw in CFS3 it ain´t a guarantee of better sales...

Tvrdi
06-17-2005, 01:32 AM
simple.....in 4.0 I set hardness of my stick to higher level because that way it was better for me in 4.0...now I must reduce that

actionhank1786
06-17-2005, 01:48 AM
I've gotta say, all in all, regardless of changes betwixt the two, i love the new FM
It just feels...i dont know, it just feels better.
I know that's an unsupported claim, but everything just seems to feel more like you're controlling a beat of a plane when you should be.
I need to take the 47 up

Kernow
06-17-2005, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by iwn1967:
As I noted in another thread the new flight model does not offer much of a challenge. I found the carrier operations just great after PF was out, with 3.04 it got even better to follow the book, setting trim, flaps, spooling up before releasing the brakes and how rewarding it was to learn to land to that tiny spot. It was not impossible at all, but enough to give a challenge and keep oneself at his toes later on when flying the missions or coops in multiplayer.

..

I agree that the CV ops are the best bit of PF and I also enjoyed the challenge of learning how to operate from carriers. Did you patch 4.00->4.01 or 3.04->4.01?

I flew 4.00 (patched on a copy of 3.04) and noticed how much harder CV ops were, just like you noted. I put 4.01 over my original 3.04 and, from the flying I've done so far, I can't tell the difference between 4.00 & 4.01. If it's any easier it's only because I'm more used to it.

new-fherathras
06-17-2005, 03:38 AM
fun for the whole family

rednine
06-17-2005, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stansdds:
I have now patched 3.04 to 4.01 and my initial test seems to indicate there is a difference between 3.04 to 4.01 and 4.0 to 4.01. More testing needed to verify.

For the umpteenth time all I can say is I found taking off had almost no torque with 4.01 over 4.00, but a fresh install (without 4.00) appeared to fix the problem. In fact I just crashlanded and burned an LA5fn cos I slowed down too much on landing, the aircraft swung about on her left wing crashed and caught fire. I immediately got a red screen from burns , but just escaped. It was a perfect mission that nearly turned into disaster!

This couldn`t happen before. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


i suspected this as well going from4.0 to 4.1, i myself went from3.4 to 4.1 and have the effects, it seams the ones not doing that have probs.

iwn1967
06-17-2005, 07:08 AM
From 3.04m to 4.01m.

[Gypsy]
06-17-2005, 08:45 AM
4.00-->4.01...

FM -IS- the same for me..

ZG77_Nagual
06-17-2005, 09:34 AM
same for me - no problems

WOODY01
06-17-2005, 10:28 AM
From the moment I installed 4.00m I took the F4-UC up as a bomb truck in the VAAF Dedicated server all week, I found it a right pig in 4.00m, same loadout everytime 8 AP rockets and 3 1000lb bombs, a serious loadout...In 4.00m I could only just get her off the deck - even with trimming, but with 4.01m shes alot more friendly, still tricky, and in need of trim, but much more doable. And I found the Spitty like that too, I thought in 4.00m it was just gastly, but now its just lovely. These tests have taken me hours and hours every day/night, and I definitly notice a differance with some A/C but then no differance with others (ie:P38) Love it now though, well done...

AerialTarget
06-17-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by [Gypsy]:
4.00-->4.01...

FM -IS- the same for me..

Agreed.