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Vamandrac_Steam
09-18-2006, 12:44 AM
The first ship of the Deutschland-class is finished. The new 28cm cannon in the guns.dat was added by sergbuto. Model by Gerome_73

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Goose_Green
09-18-2006, 01:36 AM
Very nice! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Another battleship we can't have a go at sinking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

sonicboom197356
09-18-2006, 04:23 AM
oh very nice

GoldenEagle8
09-18-2006, 04:25 AM
OOOO! I want it!

Danelov
09-18-2006, 04:56 AM
Very nice, good job and thanks

comanderFritz
09-18-2006, 02:34 PM
another good day im my life

hueywolf123
09-18-2006, 04:54 PM
That looks really good. I wonder, when GWX is released, can anybody mod the original HMAS Canberra? for the indonesian areas

Kaiser_W
09-18-2006, 04:59 PM
Very cool, I'd love to tarde my U-boot in for that. How much renown do you think it requires?

fork970
09-19-2006, 04:40 AM
Hi guys,
very nice!!!
Maybe is a stupid question but: is it possible to put it on my game,that's right?
How can I do it?
Many thanks for your help. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

DarkOmen13
09-19-2006, 01:25 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Similar thoughts here.

D.

Vamandrac_Steam
09-19-2006, 10:17 PM
You have to edit your SCR layer using the SH3 editor to put the ship in your career.

VikingGrandad
09-21-2006, 12:46 PM
StukaKing - check your PM

skimbo
09-21-2006, 04:40 PM
I am clearly an ignorant cretin (stop s******ing at the back fellow keleuns!)...

...but what the hell is a pocket battleship? What makes it different to a normal battleship?

And if someone could also explain the roles ships would play would be great i.e. I know destroyers were used to hunt subs - but what are cruisers and the other myriad variants of warships used for?

Cheers lovers!

Danelov
09-21-2006, 04:52 PM
Well, in few words this class had utilised the allowed tonnage of 10.000 t for a Heavy cruiser building a ship with the weapons near of a Battlecruisers cruiser(280mm battery).Heavy cruisers were limited to 203mm battery and the stipuled maximum weight was 10.000 t.
Officially this class were 10.000 t ships but actually they were between 11.700 and 12.100 t.
The economy of weight in the Deutschland class was obtained with solded hull ,and another great advantage of the type was his utilisation of good diesel engines , giving a pretty good autonomy and a fair maximum speed of 28 knts.
The ideal type of ship need by Raeder for raiding the British merchant traffic.
From that come the British denomination of "Pocket Battleship" : the near caracteristic of a Battleship in the hull of a heavy cruiser.
Quite a bad surprise to the British and French ,because this ships can be hunted "in paper" only with the "Dunkerques" with his battery of 330mm or the Battlecruisers of the Royal Navy, Renown,Hood and Repulse with the 381mm .Latter was possible with the class King George V, but was not easy because the maximum speed of this class was also 28 knts.The rest of the British Battleship line was too slow to hunt this type of German ship.

Danelov
09-21-2006, 05:36 PM
And if someone could also explain the roles ships would play would be great i.e. I know destroyers were used to hunt subs - but what are cruisers and the other myriad variants of warships used for?

OK, is a little latter and must sleep, but I try.The information is general and can change a lot depending the Navy.Information is also related to WWII types.

Heavy cruisers are ships of so 10.000 t armed with 203mm gun battery ;used for :

-Escort carrier Task forces
-Intercept enemy Squadrons (IJN ,USN)
-Patrol areas(Suffolk ,Norfolk Royal Navy)
-Bombardement(Guadacanal, Sycilia, D-Day)
-Raiding enemy traffic (Hipper,Prinz Eugen)
-Support squadrons
-Escort convoys
-AAA defensive reinforce in task forces
-ETC

Light cruisers are ships of so 5.500 to 7500 t with battery of 152mm.

Functions like heavy cruisers but also utilised as explorators ,recco ,rescue,decoy ,etc.
After his name this ships are more "soft".

AAA cruisers

Like the class Atlanta or the Didos of the Royal Navy , realised to protect carriers and squadrons dispositives with main target the AAA defense.

Minelayer cruisers

After his name his utilisation is obvious .Utilised by the Royal Navy and the IJN.

Auxiliar cruisers

Usually a big merchant or a converted passenger ship armed with 152mm ,torpedos,AAA ,depth charges and sometimes a recco floatplane.

Of course , his hull and decks were not so protected like a warship but the type was really very practic and take short time to make a conversion.
Very sucessfull type with the Germans (Atlantis,Pinguin,Kormoran,Orion, Komet,etc)for raiding British merchant traffic ,and also utilised by the Italians, IJN and the British ,with this last mainly as patrol and to hunt enemy auxiliars cruisers.

Torpedo cruisers

Only utilised by the IJN , like the Oi and Kitakami.


-Destroyers are also divided by classes, Fleet destroyers, escort destroyers.

-Escort
-Antisub
-Radar Picket
-AAA protection
-Rescue
-Patrol
-Transport
-Bombardement
-Recco
-etc

Frigates , a type more light ,usually fast and with reinforced ASW weapons .Escort destroyers of the USN were classified Frigates by the Royal Navy.

-Use like the destroyers , but more limited and less polyvalent. Artillery in general much more weak and limited.

Sloop a type near of a frigate for escort and patrol , good ASW weapons, and usually good speed.

Torpedo boats , near of a frigate , with fair artillery, AAA and limited ASW capacity. As described by his name , his original rol was the torpedo attack.

-Escort
-ASW
-AAA
-Patrol
-Recco
-etc

Corvette , a still more small escort type ,with a minimum of artillery and AAA but good ASW ; in general with speed allround of the 16 knts. Flowers were builded based in the hull of whalers.

Subchasers are still more small , minimum of artillery, in general only AAA ,but good K depth charges launchers , depth charges throwlers and relative good speed.
Trawlers, like subchasers , usually a conversion of fishboats , or small coastal types.Limited speed.Utilised to patrol and subhunt.

Gunboats ; a old type ,the father of the destroyers , a small and cheap vessel to patrol and protect economic areas.

Minesweepers ,his name is self explanatory , were also armed with ASW and limited AAA capacity. Utilised also as patrol ships.

Aviso , a small vessel with a minimum of artillery and limited speed, in general utilised for exploration,recco,protect coastal waters,port entries and economic areas.

There are a lot more of types ,and some were only builded by a particular Navy after his needed roles.

-Seaplane tenders
-Submarine tenders
-Cablelayers
-Fleet tugs
-Torpedo recovery
-Target ship
-Planes transport
-Fleet tanker
-Water transport
-Repair ship
-Fuel bargue
-etc

TheRealWulfmann
09-21-2006, 07:21 PM
These were Panzerschiffs as stipulated in the Versailles Treaty.
Because the Washington Naval treaty limited cruisers to 203 MM guns or anything larger was classed with the severely limited battleship tonnage category no country could afford to cross this line.
But, Germany was not part of that treaty and its restriction was 10,000 tons for a Panzerschiff or armored vessel. This was pre-Raeder. It was Admiral Zenker that decided to make a revolutionary ship that would be a commerce raider with diesel engines and huge radius. It was a lightly armored cruiser that had 6 over sized guns that was no where near a battleship in any capacity and no naval people thought of them as such.
However, the press went nuts over them because the Versailles Treaty was intended these be slow small coast defense ships and Germany’s ingenious ships caught everyone off guard so because they were forbidden to build battleship but managed to make a very useful ship the press nicknamed them “Pocket Battleships”. There is no such thing.
Since these same reporters later wrote the history books on WWII they kept their fantasy name as if it was real. The Germans classed these ships as Schwerekreuzer; Heavy cruiser and they were classed under the Hipper class in effectiveness.
They were planned as 10,000 ton ships but extra equipment made them a little heavier like every ship in every nation.
What upset everyone was the Washington Naval Treat was suppose too prevent such in between ships and Zenker, not bound by other treaties decided to up the main guns to enable them to out range cruisers and speed to stay away from battleships (but they were slower than the much stronger Repulse and Renown as well as the Mighty Hood which could easily out run the Panzerschiff.
In truth for the first three years of the war they were the most useful ships Germany had and more of them and no Mighty Dreadnaughts would have served the commerce war more effectively.
Admiral Scheer’s epic cruise was one of the coolest of the whole war.
Wulfmann

skimbo
09-22-2006, 11:47 AM
Wow!

Thanks for the VERY detailed replies guys.
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I never realised there were so many variants of ships either - I just thought it would be 'there's a destroyer, there's a battleship' and they were all moulded more or less the same.

This is fascinating stuff.

Thanks again!

Baldricks_Mate
09-23-2006, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Kaiser_W:
Very cool, I'd love to tarde my U-boot in for that. How much renown do you think it requires?

Bucketloads, but the drawbacks are a short career and the free Luger that comes with the mod pack. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif