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eXtra_Corrosiv
07-16-2004, 01:10 PM
In one of my other topics, where Several other flyers and I were expressing our love for the 39/63, people were saying it has a skrewed DM and it "ruins late war engagements".

what, where, when, why, and how?

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eXtra_Corrosiv
07-16-2004, 01:10 PM
In one of my other topics, where Several other flyers and I were expressing our love for the 39/63, people were saying it has a skrewed DM and it "ruins late war engagements".

what, where, when, why, and how?

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diabloblanco1
07-16-2004, 01:31 PM
Dude, you have been around for awhile. You have to know that nothing in this game will EVER satisfy everyone. There is always going to be someone saying this or that plane is uber or porked. That is the nature of this forum. Just ignore them and go fly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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ColoradoBBQ
07-16-2004, 01:33 PM
The problem is that it takes too many cannon shots to break off anything from a P-63. You can damage it severly but the a good pilot will be able to control it.

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diabloblanco1
07-16-2004, 02:03 PM
See it didn't take long.

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BS87
07-16-2004, 02:11 PM
Heh, thats like the people that say the P38 takes too many Mk108s... I've lost horizontal stabilizers from 1 20mm hit. Sometimes the 30mm makes the 38 go boom immediatly, other times it surprises me and takes 5+ hits.

WUAF_Badsight
07-16-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diabloblanco1:
Dude, you have been around for awhile. You have to know that nothing in this game will EVER satisfy everyone. There is always going to be someone saying this or that plane is uber or porked. That is the nature of this forum. Just ignore them and go fly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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what are you saying ?

that there are no problems with the game ?

you consider raising attention to real faults as just complaining ?

get a clue dude

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Vipez-
07-16-2004, 02:21 PM
fact is p39 / p63 when gets damaged by cannon fire and engine damaged ( grey smoke, oil leak), this plane flys with full power with this engine damage.. (and beeing the only plane doing this in the game).... so engine damage is very rare. Sure it catches fire, but that is not what i meant.. Other problem with P-39 is it does not have control cables like other planes.. (among with Lagg-3 ), i have hoped long time for these to be fixxed.

with the P-63 in my experience i never get P-63's wing blown off.. allways shoot it on the fuselage/wings until it blows up totally, or catches fire and gets blown up.. or maybe it is just bad luck, but never wing blown off in the P-63 ?

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Abbuzze
07-16-2004, 02:26 PM
Yes it seems there is a difference off-online. Offline the DM seems ok.
But online, I NEVER saw a P63 loosing it wing or tail or something. Strutural damages seems not modelled.
It eat 30mm hits for breakfast, the only way to shot it down is to set the engine on fire with the 13mm MGs.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Slight9999
07-16-2004, 02:26 PM
Someone post a pic of a P-63 having its wing blown off so we can close the thread and go home... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Abbuzze
07-16-2004, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slight9999:
Someone post a pic of a P-63 having its wing blown off so we can close the thread and go home... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes would be nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif please with some chat as a proof that it happend online http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Fennec_P
07-16-2004, 03:08 PM
I've had occasions that the P-63 wing has gotten blown off, but its rare.

In a simple test I took down 20 P-63s. All of which died by engine fire, fuel fire or explosion.

Upon closer examination, there is actually a bug with the P-63 collision model. The wing is hittable on some occasions, but in other occaisions, bullets pass through it.

Try this yourself. Put yourself in a G2, and set up some P-63s on your team. Get really close to the P-63, and shoot your nose guns directly at the center of the wing.

The first few hits will cause impacts and explosions, but subsequent shots will pass through the wing without exploding. Essentialy, that part of the plane will become un-hittable.

Its possible this is caused by the collision model for this section being switched at the wrong time. Normally, the game would switch collision models when a part of the plane is destroyed, in order to reflect the new size and shape of the section (wreckage). In this case however, the collision model is switched (removed), while the wing is still there. Further shots will not damage it, so its impossible to blow off.

In this pic you can clearly see the tracers going right through the wing without a collision. And a track.

track (http://members.shaw.ca/fennec/P63.zip)

http://members.shaw.ca/fennec/wing.jpg

Shame on you naysayers. You obviously didn't even try it before making up your mind.

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steiner562
07-16-2004, 03:10 PM
Go head to head with a p-63 online/offline you can easily blow its engine in one pass,in other passes you can easily cripple it,I dont see the problem...you guys want to blow the wings off stuff all the time or something? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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VW-IceFire
07-16-2004, 03:11 PM
Wings are made of adamantium and engine is made of small bits of paper. That sums up the damage model.

I fly it and I'd rather see this worked on a bit.

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Hunde_3.JG51
07-16-2004, 03:18 PM
I've been saying there is a problem with P-63 DM for a long time, anyone who doesn't realize/accept this needs to try it out more. I did 40 FW-190D vs. P-63 fights in a row and not once did a wing or fuesalage failure occur (all by engine fire/failure). This is the ONLY plane that I know of that this happens. Against 20mm and below I think wing is indestructible, I welcome anyone to show a track of 20mm taking off wing or causing fueselage failure.

But I also think engine is too fragile, I hit wing with 30mm rounds and the engine smokes. This plane needs a serious overhaul in terms of DM. I e-mailed Oleg awhile back about it but just mentioned it in passing so I doubt he looked into it, it would be fairly obvious to spot if he did.

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steiner562
07-16-2004, 03:25 PM
Hmm, maybe I didnt notice this because most of my online confrontations with this plane have been head on (dunno why), each time it went down in one pass with the engine smoking.

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Udidtoo
07-16-2004, 03:30 PM
Fennec is defo on to something there. It only took about 10 minutes in QMB to produce the same effect as in his screenshot.

.50,s on a P-47.....20MM on a 109F-4 and the 7.62's on a Yak 1...After the initial damage the rounds pass right through with out either impact or explosion..... ........


Oh My God!!! listen to me................quick, someone get those people who say we Yanks never complain about our planes being to good.

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Fennec_P
07-16-2004, 03:32 PM
I am Canadian, that is why.

It can burn in one hit for all I care. Better yet, explode in the hangar.

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BTW, I sent it to Oleg.

Udidtoo
07-16-2004, 03:36 PM
It will be intresting to see if he bothers to comment.

Its so easy to set up and the results are pretty easy to see on 1/2 or 1/4 speed.

Well done for spotting that Fennic S'

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patch_adams
07-16-2004, 03:47 PM
I believe that the p63 was heavily armoured. I think it is realistically modeled. Its very hard to control the stall and only experts can hit with the cannon. If you get slight wing hits, the wing begins to "dip." Far from a noob plane.

Yellonet
07-16-2004, 03:51 PM
I find that the P-63 catches fire very easily.. at least when AI controlled... not hard to shoot down at all.


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crazyivan1970
07-16-2004, 03:51 PM
That`s the whole problem, 20mm and 30mm do nothing to structures but in the same time, light MG will set it on fire with few bullets. The thing tho... engine is behind the pit and hitting fusulage with MG behind the pit sets it on fire. Kinda odd tho that 20s or 30s can`t do it. Lately i didnt even bother pulling cannon trigger, light spray of heavy caliber MG and pffff it goes on fire http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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lbhskier37
07-16-2004, 06:02 PM
The problem I see is how it can fly forever on a smoking oil leaking engine. If you dont start the engine on fire, it wont die. I never see P63s online much, but whenever I get on allied side I fly them so have noticed this often. As a matter of fact I never remember being shot down any way accept by engine fire.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-16-2004, 06:37 PM
I repeat again OFFLINE the P63DM seems OK maybe more structural,engine failures,control failures and i little less engine fires

ONLINE its just a flying tank and isnt that easy to set on fire and it doesnt have control failures like any other plane in the game.or atleast not that i know off
Engine wont die after many hits and almost no structural failures (maybe 1/1000 times)

im surprised some guys say there is nothing wrong with it and im even more surprised that this thing called the uber1337 P63 DM isnt adressed together with the P39 for NO control/engines failures?
heck after somany patches the P39 turned into a super duper plane wich is the most flown plane after the P51/Spit i see them ALOT
makes me wonder!.In the original Il2 it took some skill to fly it but now its just another neutered plane with no character and the notorious spin/stall is on the same level as the P51/P40 IMO

Besides all this whining im doin LOL i think the P39 DM is also a tad to strong compared to other planes IMO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

the guys who fly the P39/P63 know this damn well but hey we all want our favo plane to be the best http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Gibbage1
07-16-2004, 06:48 PM
Fly it. You will soon see ITS NOT UBER! It goes down just like any other aircraft. Sure it can take a few hits. BUT SHOW ME PROOF IT COULD NOT IN REAL LIFE!

Why is it when someone rails on Luftwaffa aircraft WITHOUT PROOF people bitterly attack the poor SOB. But when a Luftwaffa pilot rails on a US aircraft, everyone is like "Ow ya! Notice that! It must be Uber cause 1 shot me down last night!".

Maybe Oleg has a reason for modeling the P-63's DM the way it is. I dont have any data on the survivability of US P-63's since they were not used in combat here. Maybe Oleg has data that shows when the VVS used them they were quite tough? Who knows. But to sit here and go "The P-63's DM is UBER" without any proof is rather dumb.

I will need to take a look at Fennec's track file before I can say weather there is a bug or not. But I fly the P-63 about 50% of the time and I will say this. ITS NOT UBER! Tough, yes. But just a few 20MM in the wing WILL TAKE ME OUT OF THE FIGHT!!! There may not be gaping holes in the wings, or have it blown clean off but I am out of the fight. I guess some of you are not happy till you blow every single peace of an aircraft off for a kill.

Also, the P-63 has been flying for some time now. But why is it today "Lets rail on the UBer P-63" day? What happened? Oleg sneak a P-63 delta-wood patch this week? One that automaticaly downloads when playing online? This is the first time EVER I have EVER heard the P-63 be called UBER. Go fly it and find the truth.

BTW. I find it rather impossible that a 109 can take 3-5 hits in the wing from a 37MM canon.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Sunburst:
I repeat again OFFLINE the P63DM seems OK maybe more structural,engine failures,control failures and i little less engine fires

ONLINE its just a flying tank and isnt that easy to set on fire and it doesnt have control failures like any other plane in the game.or atleast not that i know off
Engine wont die after many hits and almost no structural failures (maybe 1/1000 times)

im surprised some guys say there is nothing wrong with it and im even more surprised that this thing called the uber1337 P63 DM isnt adressed together with the P39 for NO control/engines failures?
heck after somany patches the P39 turned into a super duper plane wich is the most flown plane after the P51/Spit i see them ALOT
makes me wonder!.In the original Il2 it took some skill to fly it but now its just another neutered plane with no character and the notorious spin/stall is on the same level as the P51/P40 IMO

Besides all this whining im doin LOL i think the P39 DM is also a tad to strong compared to other planes IMO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

the guys who fly the P39/P63 know this damn well but hey we all want our favo plane to be the best http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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steiner562
07-16-2004, 06:54 PM
Most peeps in this thread never said it was uber gibbagehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I love to meet them online,ALWAYS SEEM LIKE AN EASY AND CLEAN KILL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif what some people are suggesting is the DM is wrong or has some bug, the engine blows up almost immediately while the wings seem to last forever...if that is historically correct thats good enough for me
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Gibbage1
07-16-2004, 07:06 PM
I just want people to find proof or do research before saying something is wrong.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steiner562:
Most peeps in this thread never said it was uber gibbagehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I love to meet them online,ALWAYS SEEM LIKE AN EASY AND CLEAN KILL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif what some people are suggesting is the DM is wrong or has some bug, the engine blows up almost immediately while the wings seem to last forever...if that is historically correct thats good enough for me
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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-16-2004, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Fly it. You will soon see ITS NOT UBER! It goes down just like any other aircraft. Sure it can take a few hits. BUT SHOW ME PROOF IT COULD NOT IN REAL LIFE!

Why is it when someone rails on Luftwaffa aircraft WITHOUT PROOF people bitterly attack the poor SOB. But when a Luftwaffa pilot rails on a US aircraft, everyone is like "Ow ya! Notice that! It must be Uber cause 1 shot me down last night!".

Maybe Oleg has a reason for modeling the P-63's DM the way it is. I dont have any data on the survivability of US P-63's since they were not used in combat here. Maybe Oleg has data that shows when the VVS used them they were quite tough? Who knows. But to sit here and go "The P-63's DM is UBER" without any proof is rather dumb.

I will need to take a look at Fennec's track file before I can say weather there is a bug or not. But I fly the P-63 about 50% of the time and I will say this. ITS NOT UBER! Tough, yes. But just a few 20MM in the wing WILL TAKE ME OUT OF THE FIGHT!!! There may not be gaping holes in the wings, or have it blown clean off but I am out of the fight. I guess some of you are not happy till you blow every single peace of an aircraft off for a kill.

Also, the P-63 has been flying for some time now. But why is it today "Lets rail on the UBer P-63" day? What happened? Oleg sneak a P-63 delta-wood patch this week? One that automaticaly downloads when playing online? This is the first time EVER I have EVER heard the P-63 be called UBER. Go fly it and find the truth.

BTW. I find it rather impossible that a 109 can take 3-5 hits in the wing from a 37MM canon.
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your right on the 37MM i think its a bit to weak.
Gibbage you ever flown a D9 against a P63? online?

and the wing hits make it a bit harder to turn but it still outturns any FW for that matter
but im not talking about that bcus the FW bleeds E like a Hog and doesnt turn well anyway its DM thats UBER not the P63 itelf and i have nothing against it but its rediculous if a plane can survive XX number off mk108s and XX number of MG151s i know this bcus IM THE ONE FLYING AGAISNT IT NOT YOU

how many times have your wing being blown off and controls or engine cuttouts Gib??? well??
Like any OTHER plane in this game will have after an amount of hits

was the P63 tougher than a P47 ? if so then fine by me but give it the same DM model as any plane in the game (engine shot outs,control hits and structural failure )
why dont you look for yourself and fly against it ?

oh and about the P63 having a wrong DM is being said before right after patch 2.01 came out and someone did a test some time ago

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Gibbage1
07-16-2004, 07:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Sunburst:
your right on the 37MM i think its a bit to weak.
Gibbage you ever flown a D9 against a P63? online?
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Ya. Last night. Ta-152. I was meat. But again when I fly a P-63 I get a smile when I see a Ta-152/190 because they are a lot easier to fight then a 109. Not easier to shoot down, but easier to fight. After a few rounds, most 190's resort to running (I can run him down in most cases unless he hit me, in that case my engine is smoking) or the good-old FW-Flop were they flop like a dead fish to throw off aim. I just need a good hit to put them under.

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and the wing hits make it a bit harder to turn but it still outturns any FW for that matter
but im not talking about that bcus the FW bleeds E like a Hog and doesnt turn well anyway its DM thats UBER not the P63 itelf and i have nothing against it but its rediculous if a plane can survive XX number off mk108s and XX number of MG151s i know this bcus IM THE ONE FLYING AGAISNT IT NOT YOU
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MG151's are KNOWN to be porked. Hell, EVEN I KNOW THAT! To say "X aircraft can take Y number of MG151's" says nothing because in IL2 MG151's shoot spitwads. Maybe thats the reason you guys have a hard time shooting down P-63's? Hummmmm?
I have had a Spitfire clip the wings off my P-63 in 2 hits. Thats 2 20MM hits!!! From a HISPANO!!!

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how many times have your wing being blown off and controls or engine cuttouts Gib??? well??
Like any OTHER plane in this game will have after an amount of hits
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Controles? Very rare. I cant remember any at the moment. Engine cutout? Plenty. PK? A few. Wings blown off by Mk-108 or Hispano? Quite often.

Question for you. What sort of test's have you done? Ever try something other then your 190's or 109's with 20MM? Maybe its not the P-63, BUT WHAT YOUR SHOOTING IT WITH!!!! You ever consider THAT? Do some test's. Then get back with me.

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was the P63 tougher than a P47 ? if so then fine by me but give it the same DM model as any plane in the game (engine shot outs,control hits and structural failure )
why dont you look for yourself and fly against it ?
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I doubt it was. But how many P-47's went down with a single 13MM hit? Not many. Whenever I fly with the P-47, 99% of the time I am shot down its because A SINGLE BULLETE takes out ALL CONTROLE SURFACES!!!! A 109 from 500M hit me with a SINGLE MG13 round and it disabled my rudder and aileron! Explain THAT to me? Maybe the MG13 is uber? No. Doing some simple test's just conclude that the controle lines on the P-47 are modeled VERY LARGE.

Just do some simple test's before spouting off that something is wrong. Then you might be a little bit more believeable then comming in and making 5 post's that "The P-63's DM is wrong BECAUSE I SAY SO!"

KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-16-2004, 08:03 PM
some good points gib
but i dont have problems shooting down other planes with the MG151/20
i dont know if the MG151/20 are porked with 2.01 i seem to make plenty of kills with them
excluding the P47 wich eats those things,but like you said there is a problem with MG fire on the P47 and all the controls are cut out,i agree i had this happend against a G2 with those peashooters, he shot all his 20MM's in me with little effect and all the sudden i lost all controls by a few MG hits lol

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Question for you. What sort of test's have you done? Ever try something other then your 190's or 109's with 20MM? Maybe its not the P-63, BUT WHAT YOUR SHOOTING IT WITH!!!! You ever consider THAT? Do some test's. Then get back with me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

like i said i dont have any problems shooting other A/C down with the 20MM but yes sometimes it takes lots of hits to bring something down but that can be duo lag package loss

I did some tests offline but that shows nothing ,heck i even shot a AI P63 wing off with a few 20MM's

I do have a track of an online fight against a P63 with me in a Dora and he takes all my ammo with only light engine smoke and yes he was still turning very well and he could keep his E up (was in birds of pray server)

Besides i dont have to test anything with something other then MG151,Mk108s or 13MM
i simply dont fight in open plane sets so that wont happen anyway and is not of my concern http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
and i also believe you if you say that 2 HISPANO hits ripped your wing off http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif those things are very strong (getting shot with those things on regular basis)

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Gibbage1
07-16-2004, 08:11 PM
I myself have done a LOT of test's and I can say this. The hispano has TWICE the hitting power of a Mg-151/20. There is a thread you may wish to read called something like "Ballistics for everyone". Lots and lots of test's were done and yes the MG151/20 is a very weak gun compaired to all other 20MM's.

Also, US aircraft with the exception of the P-51 were very overbuilt. The legandary P-47. The Grumman Iron Works. P-38 also had a reputation for bringing the pilot back. The P-63 was not flown by the US much. Maybe it also got a similar reputation in Russia?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Sunburst:
some good points gib
but i dont have problems shooting down other planes with the MG151/20
i dont know if the MG151/20 are porked with 2.01 i seem to make plenty of kills with them
excluding the P47 wich eats those things,but like you said there is a problem with MG fire on the P47 and all the controls are cut out,i agree i had this happend against a G2 with those peashooters, he shot all his 20MM's in me with little effect and all the sudden i lost all controls by a few MG hits lol

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Question for you. What sort of test's have you done? Ever try something other then your 190's or 109's with 20MM? Maybe its not the P-63, BUT WHAT YOUR SHOOTING IT WITH!!!! You ever consider THAT? Do some test's. Then get back with me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

like i said i dont have any problems shooting other A/C down with the 20MM but yes sometimes it takes lots of hits to bring something down but that can be duo lag package loss

I did some tests offline but that shows nothing ,heck i even shot a AI P63 wing off with a few 20MM's

I do have a track of an online fight against a P63 with me in a Dora and he takes all my ammo with only light engine smoke and yes he was still turning very well and he could keep his E up (was in birds of pray server)

Besides i dont have to test anything with something other then MG151,Mk108s or 13MM
i simply dont fight in open plane sets so that wont happen anyway and is not of my concern http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
and i also believe you if you say that 2 HISPANO hits ripped your wing off http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif those things are very strong (getting shot with those things on regular basis)

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Abbuzze
07-17-2004, 03:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I just want people to find proof or do research before saying something is wrong.
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Hmm, yes Gibbage you are right, I don´t have a proof for the fact that any P63 should loose a wing after multiple cannon and MG hits...
I simply forget that the P63 is the kryptonite version of the P39 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I´m sorry that I feel it unrealistic, that a plane is not able to throw away it wings, and the only possibility is to set the engine on fire with MGs.

If you have a proof for the extraordinary sturdyness of the P63- please post it here!!
I have only my logical thinking that a wing can´t withstand forever every cannonhit! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And I´m sorry that hits in the wing take you out of the fight. Thats happen in every plane, and is the 1st stage for a real DM... so we are here just asking for the 2nd stage http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I also have no idea why Oleg should build 2 different DMs for online and offline. It seems to be a simple bug, if you have another idea please tell it us..

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diabloblanco1
07-17-2004, 09:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diabloblanco1:
Dude, you have been around for awhile. You have to know that nothing in this game will EVER satisfy everyone. There is always going to be someone saying this or that plane is uber or porked. That is the nature of this forum. Just ignore them and go fly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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what are you saying ?

that there are no problems with the game ?

you consider raising attention to real faults as just complaining ?

get a clue dude

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Why do you constantly troll this forum putting words into peoples mouth, trying to pick fights? Comprehension of my statement is simple for anyone not looking to troll and fight. Go pick a fight with someone else, you are very good at it.

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