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Tjaika
01-12-2008, 10:27 AM
Hi. I am visiting Canada and my and my little family are staying in Dundas/Hamilton south of Toronto in Ontario.

What is it so see? I read resently in a thread that a museum in Niagara had en flying Bf 109 emil. I would like to see if there are any remnants of the training centres in Toronto for WWII. I know about Little Norway where pilots for 331 and 332 ( I think) was trained and flew for the RAF.


We are staying for some time and we will visit USA too.

I am also into music and would like to check out something there. All I know of Toronto is that Glenn Gould lived there.

I have found some nice areas for walking nearby. It is not a proper winter here yet, I thought it would be freezing here but it is quite warm actually.

jolly_magpie
01-12-2008, 10:38 AM
http://www.warplane.com/

Canadian Warplane Heritage, be sure. A flying Lancaster!!!

It's south of Hamilton, at the Mount Hope Airport.

jensenpark
01-12-2008, 10:40 AM
The air museum at Hamilton is a must see.

One of only two flying Lancs was based there (don't know if it still is). http://www.warplane.com/

1/2 hour east of Toronto down the highway is CFB Trenton - which has an excellent museum (a few planes, but lots of neat personal stuff from WW2 pilots like logbooks, uniforms, etc). It also has a relatively recently rebuilt Halifax. The museum is all manned by WW2 pilots so just the opportunity to talk with them is worth the drive.

A must see as well are the lands of famous IL2 community member BlairGowrie (Owen Sound - not far from Hamilton).

A wealthy (and reportedly insane) recluse, BlairGowrie is often referred to as the Canadian Howard Hughes. Like Howard he is was an actual pilot and billionaire. Though he apparently clips his nails more often. He has a 25,000 acre estate not far from the area you are visiting. Skip the guided tours of his lands - and use the money for one of his golf courses. The links style course is better.

Tjaika
01-12-2008, 10:47 AM
Thanks a lot.

You know what they say:

The Il2 community general forum is the best source for any (and rapid) information http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

jadger
01-12-2008, 11:12 AM
Owen Sound not far from Hamilton! HA!!! it's 3 hours away!!! by Canadian size it isn't too far if you're comparing the drive from say Toronto to Prince George, but to a European that's a fairly long drive.

that being said, Owen Sound is the hometown of WWI top scoring allied flying ace William A. "Billy" Bishop, who also became a high up in the air command structure in WWII. I'm pretty sure they have his house restored to what it looked like when he lived there around the turn of the century. And while you're in Owen Sound, head over to Collingwood area, there are two ski/snowboard places, Talisman and Blue Mountain. Not exactly the Swiss Alps or anything, but they are great for spending a day if you like skiing or snowboarding downhill. there are also crosscountry skiing trails around there if you're into that.

but as for non-flying things to see... CN tower is always good. want to see an NHL hockey game? go over to Buffalo or Detroit or Montreal, Toronto Maple Leafs tickets will bleed you dry. If it's cold enough go to our nation's capital Canada and skate on the Rideau Canal. I'm pretty sure there's always something going on in Montreal

na85
01-12-2008, 11:27 AM
Ottawa is what, 6 hours away from Toronto? For us that's not a big deal but for a European he could have crossed into another country by that point.

Toronto has a very rich performing arts culture, plays, musicals, concerts, etc.

http://www.torontotourism.com/visitor/HomePage.htm

Hamilton boasts the Royal Botanical Gardens which are quite spectacular in the summer. In January I'm not sure how splendid they'll be.

The warplane museum is quite nice, I have pics from it that I can post.

CN tower located in downtown TO was until recently the tallest free-standing structure on the planet.

If you feel like taking a long drive to Montreal, it's a beautiful city that's also rich with culture and things to see+do.

turnipkiller
01-12-2008, 12:22 PM
I'd definitely head to the CWH. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I haven't been there in a loooong time so it may have changed, but Fort Henry in Kingston was an interesting place to visit.

You're right around the corner from Niagra Falls. It is quite breathtaking in person, although it may be quite chilly this time of year.

na85
01-12-2008, 01:01 PM
Yep, from Hamilton take the QEW east, I believe it's only an hour and a half to Niagara

jensenpark
01-12-2008, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
Owen Sound not far from Hamilton! HA!!! it's 3 hours away!!! by Canadian size it isn't too far if you're comparing the drive from say Toronto to Prince George, but to a European that's a fairly long drive.



The comment about Hamilton to Owen Sound was a joke to include my dear friend BG. Good Lord, please tell me you comprehend it was a joke.

VW-IceFire
01-12-2008, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Tjaika:
Hi. I am visiting Canada and my and my little family are staying in Dundas/Hamilton south of Toronto in Ontario.

What is it so see? I read resently in a thread that a museum in Niagara had en flying Bf 109 emil. I would like to see if there are any remnants of the training centres in Toronto for WWII. I know about Little Norway where pilots for 331 and 332 ( I think) was trained and flew for the RAF.


We are staying for some time and we will visit USA too.

I am also into music and would like to check out something there. All I know of Toronto is that Glenn Gould lived there.

I have found some nice areas for walking nearby. It is not a proper winter here yet, I thought it would be freezing here but it is quite warm actually.
Welcome to the area!

As mentioned Canadian Warplane Heritage is a 30 minute drive (take the 403 up through Ancaster and then the new bypass to the airport is the quickest route) and well worth a look. HMCS Haida is down in the Hamilton harbour...I think its closed during the winter but well worth a look (its a WWII vet).

http://www.hmcshaida.ca/

Most of the real touristy things are off in Toronto. About an hours drive from where you'd be staying...worth it for a day trip. CN Tower and all that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It IS winter here and we had a good dose of winter in November and December but with a few days of warmer weather its melted all of the snow and it even felt springlike for a little while. Its going to drop right off and be cold again soon and the weather can be unpredictable so always a good idea to watch the weather when your out.

Enjoy!

jolly_magpie
01-12-2008, 01:54 PM
In Hamilton harbour you will also find HMCS Haida, the last of the Tribal-class WW2 destroyers. She's a veteran and well worth a tour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Haida_%28G63%29

DuxCorvan
01-12-2008, 02:01 PM
There are also lots of cute and beautiful Canadian chicks who are completely naked under all their clothes.

After your visit, you'll no longer want to do your job. You'll want to be a... lumberjack!
http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/lumberjack.jpg

leitmotiv
01-12-2008, 02:11 PM
http://dnr.state.il.us/orc/wildlife/virtual_news/images/beaver/beaver_looking_camera.jpg

jarink
01-12-2008, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
but as for non-flying things to see... CN tower is always good. want to see an NHL hockey game? go over to Buffalo or Detroit or Montreal, Toronto Maple Leafs tickets will bleed you dry.

The Hockey Hall of Fame is in downtown Toronto.

Haigotron
01-12-2008, 03:02 PM
i love your hairy beaver, leitmotiv, it's also wet i see

if you ever wanna visit montreal, there are alotta nice restos and place I can recommend, message me one day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p.s. hockey games are sacred here, especially montreal vs toronto

VW-IceFire
01-12-2008, 04:00 PM
Also if you've never been to a Tim Hortons its about time you went to one. The very first Tim Hortons store is in Hamilton (although there isn't anything special about it).

leitmotiv
01-12-2008, 04:23 PM
http://www.canuckchicks.com/images/canuck_chics_front_sm.gif

Waldo.Pepper
01-12-2008, 04:43 PM
Beaver eh? Now that some good eatin' (http://www.cajuncookingrecipes.com/wildgamerecipes/fried_beaver_recipe.htm)

strider1
01-12-2008, 04:58 PM
What a coincidence Tim Horten's is mentioned!
I was working as a line boy at the flying school at Mount Hope (Hamilton) Airport where I had a fresh Commercial ticket. Got some free time flying people on sightseeing flips as well as 14 paid trips to Vero Beach, Florida to pick up planes just off the assembly line to deliver to customers in Hamilton, Toronto, Calgary and Montreal. Same person who owned the flying school had the Canadian Piper single engine distributor rights. I knew Ron Joyce, the owner of the early Tim Horten's stores, as a student at the school who soon purchased his own single engine aircraft and swiftly moved up to multi. The last I saw him with was a Beech KingAir but understand he went to jet later. He had a lengthy lawsuit with Tim Horten's widow over copyright-trademark or something but was eventually successful.
The Canadian Warplane Heiritage was in it's infancy and I remember the Lanc as a bunch of piles of parts in different stages of early restoration. Fantastic job they've done over the years and well worth seeing their museum. Google their website for times, info.
Niagara Falls is about 1 hour from Dundas on the QEW highway. The Casino often has world class entertainment in it's theatre as well as an excellent buffet (be prepared to wait in line @ mealtimes---I suggest a weekday outing). You don't have to gamble. Lots of touristy attractions on Clifton Hill as well as night lighting of the Falls, fireworks regularly, Several excellent restaurants in major hotels, lots of budget minded places as well. Once again, Google.
The Russell Aviation Group is actually in Stephensville, between Niagara Falls and Fort Erie (Canadian border entry across from Buffalo). Ed Russell has the flying 109 with the DB engine and has an annual airshow in June at his private grass field
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Here's a nose-to-nose with the Spit
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Google for info---not sure about public entry at this time.
The Welland Canal from St. Catharines to Poet Colborne has an interesting history. No ships going through now but in season, it's interesting (once, especially if you're at a lift bridge waiting for one to go through when you have an apointment you're already late for lol) to watch a lake freighter in one of the locks. Big, big boats!
Amazing sight to drive under the Canal at Welland while a freighter is passing on the overpass above---the Canal is actually a supported channel at that point.
Lots of stuff close to you. Lots of clubs with excellent musicians---check local paper for ads. Maybe you'll see me and my band around Niagara! Solid Fuel!
Hope you have a great stay!
Strider1

Tjaika
01-12-2008, 05:40 PM
Wow, this is great.

We have had a nice walk here in Dundas and bought some stuff. Lots of old and independent stores here, very friendly and nice, good service. I just found out that I cannot buy beer in a regular shop but went to some some liquor store and found some (hopefully good) canadian beer.

I got one of each:

Lakeport Honey lager
Brooklyn lager (seems to be US)
Griffon rousse
Tankhouse ale (tasted that, not microbrew quality but pretty good)
Innis & Gunn (scottish, but Dundas look a bit scottish with all the names from Scottland anyway)
Sleeman Cream ale and a india pale ale from
Alexander Keiths.

I even saw a very british looking pub that looked old and served kidney and steak pie. I think Dundas is a 18th century scottish sentlement that has merged with Hamilton but still keeps its own signature.

blairgowrie
01-12-2008, 05:53 PM
Where are you coming from Tjaika? If you are looking for tourist places, the Toronto area has a few, but the real charm of the area is in the people and how they enjoy their leisure time.

In the summer, there is nothing like a visit to the Muskoka Lakes with the boating, water skiing and the BarBQ's in the cool of the evening.

Canada is a big, wide open country with lots of natural beauty. That's where you want to focus your attention.

blairgowrie
01-12-2008, 05:54 PM
This is very close to Hamilton.

http://www.grandriver.ca/index/document.cfm?Sec=27&Sub1=124&sub2=0


And for Muskoka Lakes

http://www.traveltomuskoka.com/muskoka.htm

Tjaika
01-12-2008, 06:00 PM
I am coming from Norway despite of my callsign. That it a sort of spelling of the russian word for seagull, which I thought of on my first landings with this game. At that time I didnt know that the russians had named a plane that after the shape of its wings.

We will only stay to eastern so I guess its only winter and possibly some spring at the end.

I come from much further north than this, but the climate right now is the same. At the coast of Norway we dont see such low temp as here anyway. Back home we tend to think of american places placed much furter north than they are. For instance people gets surpriced when they hear that New York is about at the same latitude as Rome and that London is far far north in Canada.

blairgowrie
01-12-2008, 06:08 PM
Thank you for answering sir. What time of year are you visiting Canada?

This is another very interesting area near Hamilton and worth a trip.

http://www.stjacobs.com/

Tjaika
01-12-2008, 06:38 PM
I am here right now and will stay to eastern. I will bring this thread back after I have been to the places you all so helpfully have provided.

DrHerb
01-12-2008, 09:05 PM
If youre heading to the Montreal area, there are 2 great spots to check out the nightlife here, 1. Crescent Street, and 2. St. Lawrence street. You'll find great bars, pubs, clubs and some of the best looking girls on the planet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

jadger
01-12-2008, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by jensenpark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jadger:
Owen Sound not far from Hamilton! HA!!! it's 3 hours away!!! by Canadian size it isn't too far if you're comparing the drive from say Toronto to Prince George, but to a European that's a fairly long drive.



The comment about Hamilton to Owen Sound was a joke to include my dear friend BG. Good Lord, please tell me you comprehend it was a joke. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know your friend BG, and I live about 2/3 of the way to Owen Sound :P good old Mennonite country.


That's also a cool tourist destination, take a day trip to St. Jacobs and see the old style Mennonites, buy some food at their country markets, nothing like some homemade apple pie mmmmmhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

and Tjaika, while the LCBO carries some beer, the real store that sells beer is aptly named "the Beer Store" (if you could imagine) and depending on the store, can sell over 150 different brands of beer, many regional or microbrewery beers included.

You should try maybe a Rickards Red along with all your other beers you got there, it's fairly good, available at most bars I think. I'd suggest staying away from the OV or Bohemian though... but if you like warm beer Bohemian tastes just like cold Labatt Blue when it's warm, which isn't bad when it's a buck a beer.

Lurch1962
01-14-2008, 06:25 PM
Not too far north of downtown Toronto (located at Eglinton and Don Mills) is the Ontario Science Centre. Haven't been there in a VERY long time, but it's got lots of fascinating and interactive exhibits and displays. I'd strongly recommend that you make a full day of it, because there's so much to see.

http://www.ontariosciencecentre.ca/

Airmail109
01-14-2008, 06:40 PM
New York.

tjaika1910
01-14-2008, 06:55 PM
New York is on the list. That science centre looks good too.

I am to the last beer now, Tankhouse ale, that something to revisit too.

Brooklyn ale, though not canadian was also very good.

Inspired by another thread I tasted Root Beer and Dr Pepper. Dr Pepper tasted very much of artificial almond flavour, not good. Root Beer from A&W dentistlike and very much like the Jordan tooth picks (without the sugar naturally http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif) The jury is out on that one. Ginger ales are nice.

Radoye1
01-14-2008, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by Tjaika:
I am coming from Norway despite of my callsign.

Go visit Little Norway in Totonto. That's where the Free Norwegian Airforce trained during WW2, nowadays it's converted to a park but has a memorial dedicated by the king of Norway. It's on the Toronto waterfront just across the Island Airport and near the Exhibition Place.

The Toronto Aerospace Museum, though not as good as the one in Hamilton, is also worth visiting. It's at the Downsview airport - a former RCAF base in northwest Toronto, and is accessible by subway and city busses.

Also Ottawa - if you wish to take such a long trip - has the Canada Aviation Museum (be sure to ask them to see the other building too, which houses not fully restored aircraft, you can get in with a guide), and the War Museum which has a lot of tanks and vehicles if you're interested in that kind of stuff. Be aware that it will take more than a day to see both.


EDIT: Re: beer - tankhouse is good, in fact all Mill Street Brewery products are. Also, Steam Whistle is worth trying.

tjaika1910
01-14-2008, 07:23 PM
Nice to hear that so much of Little Norway is left to see. I feared it was more like a memorial stone or something. It was on my list from the beginning.

Wasnt it other training centre for allied pilots in exile around here, or only for Norway?

luftluuver
01-14-2008, 07:37 PM
If you make it to Ottawa, be sure to take in a Sens hockey game. Much better hockey than any game you will see in Toronto.

Depending how late in the spring you stay, Old Fort Henry in Kingston and Upper Canada Village (Morrisburg) are worth a visit.

http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/
http://www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/cwme.asp
http://www.parks.on.ca/fort/home.htm
http://www.parks.on.ca/village/home.htm

jadger
01-15-2008, 02:55 AM
Oh ya, and don't forget about black Creek Pioneer Village, or St Marie among the Hurons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sainte-Marie_among_the_Hurons)

Worf101
01-15-2008, 05:51 AM
Psst.... C'mere... When you leave the Falls and all dat cultural "stuff". Head to Ft. Erie, brings some dollars or loonies. Ask to see "the Canadian Ballet" at Maxines on the strip. You WON'T be sorry. Don't say a no one was lookin' out for ya...

Da Worfster

amilaninia
01-15-2008, 07:46 PM
May I suggest the following site attractions in Toronto:

Distillery District:
http://www.thedistillerydistrict.com/frameset.html
Casa Loma:
http://www.casaloma.org/Tour/
Bloor Yorkville:
http://www.bloor-yorkville.com/08phga.html
CN Tower:
http://www.cntower.ca/portal/
Toronto Island:
http://www.toronto.ca/parks/island/
Royal Ontario Museum:
http://www.rom.on.ca/index.php

Bon voyage. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

tjaika1910
01-15-2008, 08:05 PM
Thanks again. I'll guess Worfs suggestion isnt exactly familifriendly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif The others looks fine, except for the destillery link thats dead.


EDIT: it isnt dead any longer.


What do they make here, real smokey whisky or bourbon made of mais/corn?

I like it the way the scottish make it, esp. on the islands like Islay. Yummy.

Worf101
01-16-2008, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by tjaika1910:
Thanks again. I'll guess Worfs suggestion isnt exactly familifriendly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Hey, I resemble that remark. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Da Worfster