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Bula
03-13-2004, 12:35 AM
In an attempt to clean up the scattered comments in JGFrankyboy's post on the IAR (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=767106162)
I have reposted much of the info here in what I hope is a more cohesive fashion. Thanks to JG53Frankyboy, Grach, and Cosmokart for bringing many of these to the attention of the community.

1. The IAR 80-81 series light mgs should be 7.92mm, not 7.62mm (please refer to post cited above for sources concerning this).
2. The IAR81C had two, not four, FNs.
3. None of the IAR81 variants had the ability to carry four 50kg under the wing. The maximum bomb load was one 225kg and two 50kg bombs.
4. The ventral bomb cradle significantly degraded flight performance.
5. All 81Cs had the ventral bomb cradle removed (please refer to post cited above).
6. As Grach pointed out, the 13.2mm mgs used in some variants were FNs, not MG131s, and probably packed a greater punch than the MG131s.
7. There is no indication that the IAR 80-81 series had auto prop pitch and radiator controls (please refer to post cited above).
8. As Cosmokart pointed out, the IAR series in Il2 FB AEP torques as though it had a right-handed prop, when, in fact, it had a left-handed prop.

Thank you for your consideration of these issues, Mr. Oleg.

Bula
03-13-2004, 12:35 AM
In an attempt to clean up the scattered comments in JGFrankyboy's post on the IAR (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=767106162)
I have reposted much of the info here in what I hope is a more cohesive fashion. Thanks to JG53Frankyboy, Grach, and Cosmokart for bringing many of these to the attention of the community.

1. The IAR 80-81 series light mgs should be 7.92mm, not 7.62mm (please refer to post cited above for sources concerning this).
2. The IAR81C had two, not four, FNs.
3. None of the IAR81 variants had the ability to carry four 50kg under the wing. The maximum bomb load was one 225kg and two 50kg bombs.
4. The ventral bomb cradle significantly degraded flight performance.
5. All 81Cs had the ventral bomb cradle removed (please refer to post cited above).
6. As Grach pointed out, the 13.2mm mgs used in some variants were FNs, not MG131s, and probably packed a greater punch than the MG131s.
7. There is no indication that the IAR 80-81 series had auto prop pitch and radiator controls (please refer to post cited above).
8. As Cosmokart pointed out, the IAR series in Il2 FB AEP torques as though it had a right-handed prop, when, in fact, it had a left-handed prop.

Thank you for your consideration of these issues, Mr. Oleg.

Magister__Ludi
03-13-2004, 12:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bula:
In an attempt to clean up the scattered comments in JGFrankyboy's post on the IAR (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=767106162)
I have reposted much of the info here in what I hope is a more cohesive fashion. Thanks to JG53Frankyboy, Grach, and Cosmokart for bringing many of these to the attention of the community.

1. The IAR 80-81 series light mgs should be 7.92mm, not 7.62mm (please refer to post cited above for sources concerning this).
2. The IAR81C had two, not four, FNs.
3. None of the IAR81 variants had the ability to carry four 50kg under the wing. The maximum bomb load was one 225kg and two 50kg bombs.
4. The ventral bomb cradle significantly degraded flight performance.
5. All 81Cs had the ventral bomb cradle removed (please refer to post cited above).
6. As Grach pointed out, the 13.2mm mgs used in some variants were FNs, not MG131s, and probably packed a greater punch than the MG131s.
7. There is no indication that the IAR 80-81 series had auto prop pitch and radiator controls (please refer to post cited above).
8. As Cosmokart pointed out, the IAR series in Il2 FB AEP torques as though it had a right-handed prop, when, in fact, it had a left-handed prop.

Thank you for your consideration of these issues, Mr. Oleg.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Salut Bulahttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have a question: what do you mean when you say IAR80-81 did not have auto prop pitch? They certainly had variable pitch prop, and I find it hard to believe that it did not have a form of auto pitch, either CSP or in Bf-109 style (Fw-190 had CSP with prop RPM linked to the throttle, not really the same with Bf-109). None of the fighters that remained in service after '41 that I know of kept variable pitch props without a form of auto pitch control.

Bula
03-13-2004, 02:10 AM
Salut Bulahttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have a question: what do you mean when you say IAR80-81 did not have auto prop pitch? They certainly had variable pitch prop, and I find it hard to believe that it did not have a form of auto pitch, either CSP or in Bf-109 style (Fw-190 had CSP with prop RPM linked to the throttle, not really the same with Bf-109). None of the fighters that remained in service after '41 that I know of kept variable pitch props without a form of auto pitch control.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen anything in the literature available to me (not to brag or sound arrogant, but my library is pretty comprehensive and includes very hard to find Romanian and English titles) indcating that the IAR series had a prop-linked-to-rpm-type arrangement. Oleg may very well have very good info about this, so I'll take his word for it if he tells me that his sources confirm what we have in the game. However, given that there are several other inaccuracies already present in the Il2 FB IAR 80-81 series, it'd be nice to hear a definitive statement from 1:C regarding this one particular issue.

soareallexoi
03-13-2004, 11:28 AM
Salutare tuturor romanilor! Ma intereseaza de unde pot sa-mi fac si eu rost de AEP?

JG53-Falkster
03-13-2004, 11:46 AM
The angle of the mirror in the Iar80 is a bit strange i think....you look a bit strong upwards i think.

soareallexoi
03-13-2004, 12:03 PM
Hello to Bula!
I'm romanian and I want to know how *** sa am si eu AEP...

soareallexoi
03-13-2004, 12:06 PM
All right Bula! Well done!

Bula
03-13-2004, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by soareallexoi:
Hello to Bula!
I'm romanian and I want to know how *** sa am si eu AEP...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tre' sa-l cumperi. You have to buy it. Go here if you want more information from Romanian speakers:

http://ram.rdsnet.ro/forum/index.php?s=bbd95fc4a839b9b37ae03dfcdcb72ce6&act=SF&f=81

soareallexoi
03-15-2004, 06:13 AM
Hi to Bula!
Multam' fra!
Where I can buy AEP? Bula multam' pt site-ul cu informatii despre IAR-80.
I hope Oleg will take count about what you mention about IAR-80 features.
Bula, Is there already made a roamnian flight squadron?

mortoma
03-15-2004, 08:43 AM
Also when I fly the IAR-80, that German directional gyro/radio direction finder goes nuts and jitters all over the place. Nobody has noticed this but me???

Jaws2002
03-15-2004, 06:47 PM
Salut! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/354.gif
De ce vreti sa stricati ceva util? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gifCu pas variabil folosit manual Iar-81 atinge 500 km/h TAS, la nivelul marii. Pe Auto numai 470. Schimbati pasul manual si obtimeti peste 20 km/h avantaj.
Bafta http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

necrobaron
03-15-2004, 08:30 PM
This is probably a stupid question, but where is the 81c? All I see is the 80 and 81a.

"Not all who wander are lost."

Bogun
03-15-2004, 08:46 PM
Jaws2002
You avatar is so disruptive, that I cannot concentrate on the subject of the post... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Regards,

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"The best fighters I met in combat were the American P-51 Mustang and Russian Yak-9U. Both of those types obviously exceeded all Bf109 variants in performance, including the 'K'. The Mustang was unmatched in altitude performance, while the Yak-9U was champion in rate of climb and maneuverability."

- Walter Wolfrum (137 victories)

soareallexoi
03-16-2004, 05:59 AM
Hi guys! Hi to all but especially hi for the grandsuns of Burebista...
How do you play IL2 Fb or AEP, on which level of difficulty? Realistic 100% or what?

Jaws2002
03-16-2004, 10:00 AM
Depends on the mood bro. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Sometimes full click, sometimes with externals and icons.

butch2k
03-16-2004, 10:44 AM
c/n 1 to 50 : IAR 80
4x MGs 7.92

c/n 91 to 180 and 231 to 240 : IAR 80A
6x MGx 7.92 rearmed with 2x MGs 7.92 + 2x MG151/20

c/n 181 to 200 : IAR 80B
4x MGs 7.92 + 2x MGs 13.2

c/n 241 to 290 : IAR 80C
4x MGs 7.92 +2x IKARIA 20mm

c/n 301 to 435 : IAR 80D
2x MGs 7.92 +2x MG151/20

c/n 91 to 105 and 151 to 157 : IAR 81
6x MGs 7.92

c/n 201 to 230 and 291 to 300 : IAR 81A
4x MGs 7.92 + 2x MGs 13.2

c/n 241 to 290 : IAR 81B
4x MGs 7.92 + 2x IKARIA 20mm

c/n 301 to 435 : IAR 81C
2x MGs 7.92 + 2x MG151/20

MGs are based on Browning FN design.

Bula
03-17-2004, 11:35 AM
Gonna bump this until we get a response from Oleg.

03-17-2004, 12:37 PM
Bula, have you emailed this to Oleg directly?

I've found that email works better than posting in the Ubi forum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bug reports: il2beta@1c.ru

jagdmailer
03-18-2004, 12:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bula:
In an attempt to clean up the scattered comments in JGFrankyboy's post on the IAR (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=767106162)
I have reposted much of the info here in what I hope is a more cohesive fashion. Thanks to JG53Frankyboy, Grach, and Cosmokart for bringing many of these to the attention of the community.

1. The IAR 80-81 series light mgs should be 7.92mm, not 7.62mm (please refer to post cited above for sources concerning this).
2. The IAR81C had two, not four, FNs.
3. None of the IAR81 variants had the ability to carry four 50kg under the wing. The maximum bomb load was one 225kg and two 50kg bombs.
4. The ventral bomb cradle significantly degraded flight performance.
5. All 81Cs had the ventral bomb cradle removed (please refer to post cited above).
6. As Grach pointed out, the 13.2mm mgs used in some variants were FNs, not MG131s, and probably packed a greater punch than the MG131s.
7. There is no indication that the IAR 80-81 series had auto prop pitch and radiator controls (please refer to post cited above).
8. As Cosmokart pointed out, the IAR series in Il2 FB AEP torques as though it had a right-handed prop, when, in fact, it had a left-handed prop.

Thank you for your consideration of these issues, Mr. Oleg.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Additionally, that radial engine sounds just the same as the inline DB601/605.

Jagd

Bula
03-19-2004, 08:35 PM
Thanks, Cosmokart. We'll see what happens.

Bula
03-22-2004, 08:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cosmokart:
Bula, have you emailed this to Oleg directly?

I've found that email works better than posting in the Ubi forum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bug reports: il2beta@1c.ru<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the help, Cosmokart. Oleg is aware of the bugs and plans to fix 'em in the next patch.

03-22-2004, 09:40 PM
Great news! I'm glad for you Bula. The IAR is a really cool little airplane. This is probably the first sim EVER to feature it. It's a proud day for Romanian aviation fans http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

soareallexoi
03-23-2004, 03:48 AM
Salutare Bula! Please tell me de unde pot sa-mi cumpar si eu AEP? Sau de unde il pot comanda? What level of difficulty you fly? Ce avion iti place mai mult sa-l zbori? Si sa lupti cu el?