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Eagle_493rdLN
05-09-2005, 12:48 PM
Hello ppl!
Can you please give me the service record of the TA-152. I am doing some research, but I am struggling to find any combat reports.

Thanks!

RedDeth
05-09-2005, 01:15 PM
if you find any let us know.........

faustnik
05-09-2005, 01:21 PM
http://www.kagero.pl/poz.php?id=179

This is a good little reference of Ta152s in combat.

Eagle_493rdLN
05-09-2005, 01:26 PM
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darkhorizon11
05-09-2005, 10:44 PM
Sorry I can't give a a link but I know the high scoring Ta-152 pilot had 6 kills, he was from the JG301.

LeadSpitter_
05-09-2005, 10:56 PM
no chance of finding combat records but one flight over berlin which consisted of 2 servicable ta152H's out of 6 aircraft in which 2 were not combat ready.

III.Gruppe JG 301 - 6 Ta-152 H on hand; 2 operationally ready, 36 ground crew authorized; 32 on hand 19 combat crew available; 3 combat crew ready.

Theres a story of reschke these 2 ta152s fighting 4 p47s shot one down then his guns jammed but no credit was givin to him.

Then there is Hienz gassow in flying the ta152H geschwaderstab flew along with three gruppen in a mixed flight of 190s and 109s which supposably faced many american british and russian planes in which 2 russian ac were shot down but no combat report shows victories.

Fraustik that polish book wouldnt happen to have combat reports in it? I know on the eastern front alot of combat reports were never made for alot of sorties.

If it does contain detailed combat reports I'd be very interested in seeing them. Unfortunatly I can not real polish.

then theres this claim also

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/tata.jpg

I guess its one of those things no one will every truely know except the one sortie of jg 301 over berlin which is the only combat report i can find and had to purchase.

dadada1
05-10-2005, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Sorry I can't give a a link but I know the high scoring Ta-152 pilot had 6 kills, he was from the JG301.

The only true Ta 152 ace was Josef Keil and he actually only shot 5 enemy ac whilst flying the Ta. Others such as Willi Resche scored 3 and Walter Loos scoring 4 in the Ta. All flew with JG 301 as you state.

Leadspitter, I've read different accounts of the Resche combat with the gun jam, one says it was P47's two I've read say it was Tempest Vs. Seeing as the downed allied pilot was a New Zealander, I'm going for Tempests. The Kagero book has English text alongside the Polish and has quiet detailed combat reports, mainly from Resche.

tigertalon
05-10-2005, 08:11 AM
Peter Caygill: "Combat legend: Focke-Wulf Fw190", Airlife Publishing Ltd, 2002

page 52:

The ultimate 190 in action
One of very few bright spots in the final months of war was the delivery in early March 1945 of the first Ta 152H-1s to the Stabsschwarm of JG301 under Oberstleutnant Fritz Aufhammer. The Ta 152 was used to provide cover for the Fw190D-9s of I and II./JG 301 as they carried out their duties, and also for airfield protection as marauding Allied fighters liked nothing better than to find the opposition with its gear down and ready for landing.* So late was its introduction to service, however, that only nine aircraft were claimed as destroyed before the war ended, five being credited to Oberfeldwebel Josef Keil and three to Oberfeldwebel Willi Reschke.


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faustnik
05-10-2005, 11:29 AM
Fraustik that polish book wouldnt happen to have combat reports in it? I know on the eastern front alot of combat reports were never made for alot of sorties.

It's "Faustnik", and the book is in English and Polish. Yes there are lot of combat reports in it. The Ta's did well against Yak-3s amazingly enough.

robban75
05-10-2005, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
The Ta's did well against Yak-3s amazingly enough.

The D-9 did good against the Yak-3 as well. The Russians wouldn't engage unless they had superiority in numbers.

Ugly_Kid
05-10-2005, 12:57 PM
The "wilde Sau" chronology about JG300/301 from Reschke makes excellent reading. Not only the absolute high lights of the Ta-152 combat sorties but also the more "conventional" missions with Fw-190 and BF-109 he flew. Really astonishing accounts about engagements against bomber bulks and escort fighters. One of the best books I've read.

faustnik
05-10-2005, 01:33 PM
The Kagero book has some good accounts of Jg301 pilots in A8s fighting B-17s and how tough the B-17s actually were. One pilot describes taking a full load of Mg151 and Mk108 close range to down two B-17s.

SkyChimp
05-10-2005, 08:22 PM
There is a new Schiffer book out, which I've seen, and look pretty good:

http://www.aeroplanebooks.com/301.jpg

Ugly_Kid
05-10-2005, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
There is a new Schiffer book out, which I've seen, and look pretty good:

http://www.aeroplanebooks.com/301.jpg

I believe this is the same book. Excellent reading, got it in German some time ago. Good to know that it's now available in English, now I can tip my mates. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeadSpitter_
05-11-2005, 12:54 AM
Can you post the combat reports for us if the book has so many of them?

mole_boy
05-11-2005, 08:43 PM
as far as i know about 100 were in service,

faustnik
05-11-2005, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by mole_boy:
as far as i know about 100 were in service,

100??? Really I though it was more like 40 maximum.

mole_boy
05-11-2005, 11:43 PM
I will check but it was in one of my wings volumes

dadada1
05-12-2005, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by mole_boy:
as far as i know about 100 were in service,

A total of 67 examples of H-0, H-1 amd C where produced. I think around 32 of the H-0 and H-1 actually saw service. Claims that 100 saw service ar optomistic to say the least. The Kagero book on JG 301 and Schiffer book on the Ta 152 are the only truly accurate references about this AC.