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FatBoyHK
04-21-2004, 10:22 AM
There should be a wire connecting the back of the pilot's seat to the tailfin, but I can't find it in the in-game model...Is it a bug?

btw, what is this wire used for? structural reinforcement? antenna? or etc?

FatBoyHK
04-21-2004, 10:22 AM
There should be a wire connecting the back of the pilot's seat to the tailfin, but I can't find it in the in-game model...Is it a bug?

btw, what is this wire used for? structural reinforcement? antenna? or etc?

bird_brain
04-21-2004, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
btw, what is this wire used for? structural reinforcement? antenna? or etc?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The wires running from the tail were radio antennas, but I don't remember seeing one on a mustang... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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MajorBloodnok
04-21-2004, 10:27 AM
I thought it was for hanging the pilot's washing on.

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Kasdeya
04-21-2004, 10:32 AM
I thought on the B/C model there was a wire. I'll have to recheck but I'm preety sure that I saw it in game. As for the D, I dont think there was one.

As for the wire's function, some planes use it as a deflector for the vertical fin, some for both deflector and bracing purposes.

Some others will prolly have more detailed explanations, I haven't been able to find any.

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Taylortony
04-21-2004, 10:35 AM
I think you will find it is the HF Aerial, some versions may well of not had it installed, dependant on radio fit etc

Chuck_Older
04-21-2004, 10:38 AM
The D model had one. It's an aerial for the radio. The radio is right behind the seat. It's not a brace, and the D model's later marks feature a small fillet in front of the vertical stabilizer to offset the loss of keel force the razorback type canopy gave the plane. Plus if I recall, the wire doesn't go to the seat back- how would the canopy retract?

As for deflection-What could that wire possibly deflect?

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bird_brain
04-21-2004, 10:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
As for deflection-What could that wire possibly deflect?
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bird_brain
04-21-2004, 10:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kasdeya:
I thought on the B/C model there was a wire. I'll have to recheck but I'm preety sure that I saw it in game. As for the D, I dont think there was one.
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Kasdeya is right, the B/C model had a wire running from just behind the canopy glass to the vertical stabilizer. The D model has a vertical ariel half way back down the fuselage.
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Kasdeya
04-21-2004, 10:51 AM
On the P51, I have no idea what it would deflect, but on some other aircraft it is as its called, a wire deflector. It deflects the telephone wires, antenna cables that are used to hold tv and radio antennas from falling over. I don't see why the 51 should have it but as stated its prolly a radio aerial thingy. lol As for the sliding canopy, the cable can be installed in a way as that the canopy rails and the wire angle are parellel. Although that wouldn't help in keeping the cockpit pressurized. Hey, is the 51 cockpit pressurized?

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Taylortony
04-21-2004, 10:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
The D model had one. It's an aerial for the radio. The radio is right behind the seat. It's not a brace, and the D model's later marks feature a small fillet in front of the vertical stabilizer to offset the loss of keel force the razorback type canopy gave the plane. Plus if I recall, the wire doesn't go to the seat back- how would the canopy retract?

As for deflection-What could that wire possibly deflect?

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Chuck some Aircaft do carry wires to cut wires etc Inflight.....
Look at a military Kiowa helicopter, that has a saw blade and hook at the top of it down the centre of the windscreen to slice cables and protect the rotor head of the Aircraft at low level some Aircraft did carry similar to protect against barrage ballons too

Zyzbot
04-21-2004, 12:50 PM
Checking some diagrams of P-51 versions from "Famous Fighters of the Second Worls War" by Green shows radio wires on all P-51 versions except the P-51H. The radio wire runs from the vertial fin past the radio mast (just above it)on the D model and appears to connect with the rear of the pilot's seat (armor plate?)inside of the bubble canopy.

Earlier models have a radio wire running from the mast to the vertial fin.

Zyzbot
04-21-2004, 12:50 PM
Checking some diagrams of P-51 versions from "Famous Fighters of the Second Worls War" by Green shows radio wires on all P-51 versions except the P-51H. The radio wire runs from the vertial fin past the radio mast (just above it)on the D model and appears to connect with the rear of the pilot's seat (armor plate?)inside of the bubble canopy.

Earlier models have a radio wire running from the mast to the vertial fin.http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/mustang_diagram_750.jpg

FatBoyHK
04-21-2004, 01:20 PM
Seem we need to submit this as a comfirmed bug to IC

PlaneEater
04-21-2004, 01:28 PM
Nope, no bug.

The wire rigging depended on the radio fit. That spikey thing you see sticking up out of the plane's spine, behind the cockpit, is a blade antenna. That type of installation generally replaced wire antennas on an aircraft. Early P-51Ds (5s, maybe some 10s) started out with the HF wire antennas, but later blocks got the blade antenna, and most early ones got retrofitted.

Occasionally, if there was a spare parts shortage or a need for a different / more powerful radio (such as in the CBI theater where ranges were very long), they'd put the wire antenna back on.

Chuck_Older
04-21-2004, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Taylortony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
The D model had one. It's an aerial for the radio. The radio is right behind the seat. It's not a brace, and the D model's later marks feature a small fillet in front of the vertical stabilizer to offset the loss of keel force the razorback type canopy gave the plane. Plus if I recall, the wire doesn't go to the seat back- how would the canopy retract?

As for deflection-What could that wire possibly deflect?

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~ Clash
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Chuck some Aircaft do carry wires to cut wires etc Inflight.....
Look at a military Kiowa helicopter, that has a saw blade and hook at the top of it down the centre of the windscreen to slice cables and protect the rotor head of the Aircraft at low level some Aircraft did carry similar to protect against barrage ballons too<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh, I know. Check the He-111 as well. But cutting isn't deflecting. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Kasdeya
04-21-2004, 02:23 PM
A wire deflector is usually a 5/32 cable that runs from aft of the cockpit to the top of the vertical fin. This set up is standard on most if not all agricultural aircraft and is for (as I said in a previous post) for deflecting telephone wires and the such. I donot have a image of one on this computor at work, but I do have an NTSB report from an accident of an ag aircraft where the deflector apperently didn't do its job.

Quote taken from this webpage: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X10633&key=1

"The pilot said that this was the first flight at a new field, and he had not visually inspected the field before spraying it. He made a pass over the field to check for wires, and did not see any. On the second pass he saw a steel power cable strung between poles that was in his flight path. The pilot stated that it was too late to pull up to avoid the cable, and he pushed the nose of the aircraft down to fly underneath it. The aircraft, equipped with a wire deflector, struck a telephone wire underneath the initial steel cable. The wire deflector and the vertical stabilizer separated from the aircraft. The pilot began to lose directional and roll control, and he pushed the nose towards the ground and made a forced landing. The pilot stated that there were no mechanical malfunctions with the engine or flight controls prior to striking the wires. The night was dark with no moon. "

I never said that the P51 ever had a deflector, I said some aircraft do.

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jtasker
04-21-2004, 02:46 PM
The wire was mounted through the canopy and had a spring tensioner.. but when the canopy went back, it would sag..same as those on ehte Fw in fact.. when the canopy went forward it would tighten up again pulling against the coil spring

VVS-Manuc
04-21-2004, 03:45 PM
Please remove the antenna wires on all FB-planes please. They are modelled far too thick. In reality you can hardly see them.

Locust_
04-21-2004, 03:57 PM
ya theres something missing alright........

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VW-IceFire
04-21-2004, 04:48 PM
Naaa there are there. Last night I was having lots of fun in a D-20 with the gyro on (gyro only - been practicing with that alot recently) and it chews stuff up at short range. Just waiting for the fix so I can do it at longer ranges http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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lrrp22
04-21-2004, 04:59 PM
Depends on theater of operation. 8th and 9th AAF fighter groups used FM radio sets so never installed the HF aerial. The 15th AAF out of Italy did use the HF radios and aerials.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
There should be a wire connecting the back of the pilot's seat to the tailfin, but I can't find it in the in-game model...Is it a bug?

btw, what is this wire used for? structural reinforcement? antenna? or etc?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bull_dog_
04-21-2004, 06:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Locust_:
ya theres something missing alright........

the gunz ........ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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Fighter Sweeps is here come join the fun.....
http://alloutwar.com/IL2FS/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah what he said!

My online experience since AEP goes something like this when I fly the 51 or 47....

Quietly fly and sneak up on a poor unsuspecting Bf 109 pilot...have convergence set up for about 200 meters... when in convergence range...let him have it! Dive like hell after he barrel rolls away unharmed and fly as fast as you can back to base and hope in vain that he doesn't catch you... with lack of friendly aircraft and enough distance he will catch you and shoot you down...

So switch aircraft to Spitfire, Yak or La and try again...if worse comes to worse strap on one of those Fw A-9's w/ the 30mm wing cannons and repeat until your bloodlust is satisfied http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

I can't wait for that patch! Online fighting just hasn't been the same since AEP came out...I know it will be better just a little impatient by nature.