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K_Freddie
08-14-2009, 01:09 AM
Two V408 tracks in this zip file (126KB) (http://www.vanjast.com/IL2Movies/FWFlt23.zip) as examples how to fly the FW at high alts.

The AI is a modded version, but I don't see that much difference to the unmodded game. Maybe I was expecting more aggression http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

One track is on the A9, the other is the Dora(1944). Both against everyone's favourite P51 at an alt of 7000m+. Things to note that all a/c are at their limits (the Dora less so than the A9), so if you're gentle with the stick you can match any plane up here.

The P51 holds the adv of superior speed up here, but if it makes a mistake (Dora trk) it's dead meat.
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BillSwagger
08-14-2009, 01:56 AM
thats cool.
I do little drills like this all the time.

I use the QMB and progressively add more and more FW 190s against me (solo P-47). I've managed to get up to 16 Ace AI FWs, and killed them all on the third try.

I did the same thing with 109Ks, and its a whole lot harder. It started to become difficult at 4 ace AI, and the most i've gotten up to is 6. I was also accustomed to flying against the 190 where a spiral zoom climb is usually enough to climb to safety. That tactic doesn't work well with the Kurfurst, i found i had to use wider turns and even fly straight for long periods of time just to have room to make a turn.
And something about the K makes it very difficult to out dive or out run. Pluss its ace AI. So that have that edge in terms of max performance. They aren't as aggressive when there are many of them, but it also wouldn't surprise me if there were something in the water that made them less aggressive. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


Definitely worth a try when you get bored of the later 190s and want to fly a real plane...the P-47. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

K_Freddie
08-14-2009, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by BillSwagger:
Definitely worth a try when you get bored of the later 190s and want to fly a real plane...the P-47. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif.. when I posted this I was thinking of you (NO I'm not 'G' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif ), and thought I should put a FW-vs-P47 one up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

All aces in these tracks.. I made it one-vs-one just to demonstrate simple high alt tactics, but ja, the more a/c the better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Manu-6S
08-14-2009, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
The P51 holds the adv of superior speed up here, but if it makes a mistake (Dora trk) it's dead meat.


I watched the A9 track (knowing that D9 is a better plane at alt).

The AI doesn't use his faster speed and higher climb rate in that track... plus he pass in front of you plane x times, a thing that you never have to do when flying against a 190 (4 20mm FTW). If you note he rarely uses vertical manouvring but you can't still do anything if not trying lucky shots and at last you need to disengage (losing the dogfight).

I will try that match at 7km against one of my squadmates, but they are complaining when we do P51 vs A9 even at 3km (1v1 or squad) since a well flown P51 always wins. Of course if you make a mistake your dead meat in EVERY plane, don't you think?

I'll post the track.

K_Freddie
08-14-2009, 02:35 AM
I used the 'age old trick' of not following the AI, otherwise it would have sped away - then I would have disengaged (not losing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) as in the last bit of the A9 track.

I did this to show that you can still turn the FW on equal terms at altitude. Yes, the AI is really only for demo purposes, but with any well flown a/c, it's all about tactics and timing, at any altitude.

I played around for about 30 minutes (I got bored) with a P51 at altitude, chasing it.. it would run away then come back, take a 'swipe' and miss. I'd roll over and do the same, and it's would climb away again. I'd just then use a tactic of flying away from it, and then it'll start all again.
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DKoor
08-14-2009, 03:44 AM
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Manu-6S
08-14-2009, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
I used the 'age old trick' of not following the AI, otherwise it would have sped away - then I would have disengaged (not losing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) as in the last bit

of the A9 track.

I'm saying "losing" because at the last of the match you were down at 1km, he was at 7km. At my eyes he is an extreme advantage.


Originally posted by K_Freddie:
I did this to show that you can still turn the FW on equal terms at altitude. Yes, the AI is really only for demo purposes, but with any well flown a/c,

it's all about tactics and timing, at any altitude.

Sorry but I disagree... you used the 'age old trick' to fight. If you fled as the guy in the P51 was human were was no way to reach him. The P51 will extend by spiral climb until you get bored. He's untouchable, you aren't since your plane is slower and worser climber. And when you'll disengage and he'll be over you; if you stay there he still will be over you in a pair of minutes.
I've done it many time flying in P51 and in Ta152H against other P51s. Against human people, of course.

With pilots of same skill the more performant plane wins. Tactics and timing are always depend by the plane your flying. This is why they want always faster planes... the faster plane is the safest. If you take in account that the P51 has even better range... This is why the P51 was great.

The problem here is that YOU ARE TOO GOOD for the AI. And the AI know nothing about energy manouvres (if not with high manouvrable planes like spitfire... infact AI can't fly 190)
Look at my tracks (Ace AI). In no way the p51 can be in danger if not by a lucky headon at the start. From then the P51 is always in advantage.
Instead the AI P51 passes in front of my 190... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

www.diavolirossi.net/manu/Desktop.zip (http://www.diavolirossi.net/manu/Desktop.zip)

So your statement is correct only if you limit it to the AI. Against human people with same skill the performance of the plane are the main factor.

Because tactics depends directly on performance. If you find yourself in a A9 under a P51, your only option is to dive away. Or remaining there HOPING for the P51 to go overshoot (not really realistic since he shoots at you)

K_Freddie
08-14-2009, 02:12 PM
As we all know, everyone has a different way of doing things.. some are just better than others. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif