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gx-warspite
02-19-2006, 11:18 AM
I've usually assumed that the Ta-152 is king up high (ie, 8k or higher), or perhaps the P-51s, maybe the new Dornier. Recent experiences have given me pause though, and I've come to think that the P-47D (aka P-47M) is the best high-altitude fighter. It's got 8 50s, which is a ton of firepower, say what you will about how 50s are modeled, it seems to climb better than the Ta-152 and it's about as fast. I think the Mustang III is faster and the Spitfires climb better, but the Mustang has half the guns and the Spits are just too slow.

Thoughts?

robban75
02-19-2006, 11:54 AM
I haven't tested the P-47 climb rate yet. But the Mustang cannot hope to climb with the Spitfire or Ta 152 at high altitude(or any other altitude for that matter). The Spitfire Mk VIII CW, can outclimb the Ta 152H-1 between SL and 8000m, above that the Ta can manage slightly(~1m/sec) higher climb rates. The Spitfire is more maneuverable though.

The Ta 152 should be the superior high altitude fighter. But I'd say in-game that title belongs to the Spitfire.

An interesting note, not terribly relevant to this discussion. Had the war lasted into november 1945, the Ta 152 might have been equipped with the Jumo 213I, which offered 2700hp at SL, and 1900hp at 10,000m. It would be interesting to see what the speed and climb increase would be. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Btw, Try the La-7, it's an excellent high altitude fighter. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

p1ngu666
02-19-2006, 01:43 PM
shame we dont have a XIV, that was pretty awsome up high.

446mph at 25,400ft

but still tanking along at 421 mph at 39,000ft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

estimated service ceiling of 44,000ft, the ceiling was based apon when the roc dropped below a certain amount.

460ft per min at 42000ft

Grey_Mouser67
02-19-2006, 01:51 PM
I'm really glad the war didn't last any longer but there is a whole litteny of aircraft that could have been operational if it had lasted another few months...

P51H
P47M
Tempest II
Bearcat
Tigercat
Spit Mk XXII

If the Me262 began making more of an impact the P80 may have been rushed into service more quickly too! Lots of interesting birds that just didn't quite make it.

Doug_Thompson
02-19-2006, 02:35 PM
P-47 pilots in the war pointed out the excellent high-level performance, which was provided by a heck of a supercharger. Unfortunately, the Thud didn't have the range to escort high-altitude flights of bombers to deep targets until airbases in France were overrun.

The Luftwaffe was effectively crushed by July or August, 1944. The Thud had no high-altitude targets left once there were bases in France. Even during the Luftwaffe's last hurrah during the Battle of the Bulge, Luftwaffe fighters were wasted in low-level bombing and strafing, which they weren't trained for.

ImpStarDuece
02-19-2006, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Grey_Mouser67:
I'm really glad the war didn't last any longer but there is a whole litteny of aircraft that could have been operational if it had lasted another few months...

P51H
P47M
Tempest II
Bearcat
Tigercat
Spit Mk XXII

If the Me262 began making more of an impact the P80 may have been rushed into service more quickly too! Lots of interesting birds that just didn't quite make it.


Both the P-47M and the Spitfire XXI were operational in a limited capacity before the end of the war.

P-47Ms began operations on January 14th, 1945. Engine reliability issues plauged it early on and there were repeat groundings mid March, when the 56th FG was grounded for 9 days until engine modifications could be made. From April until the end of the war in Europe, most of the 56ths sorties were flown in P-47Ms.

Spitfire Mk. XXI began operations in March of 1945 with number 91 squadron. They had few combat sucesses, mostly attacking MET in Holland and Germany. Notably, two Mk 21s destroyed a Germna midget submarine in late April.

Badsight.
02-19-2006, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by gx-warspite:
I've usually assumed that the Ta-152 is king up high (ie, 8k or higher), or perhaps the P-51s, maybe the new Dornier. Recent experiences have given me pause though, and I've come to think that the P-47D (aka P-47M) is the best high-altitude fighter. It's got 8 50s, which is a ton of firepower, say what you will about how 50s are modeled, it seems to climb better than the Ta-152 and it's about as fast. I think the Mustang III is faster and the Spitfires climb better, but the Mustang has half the guns and the Spits are just too slow.

Thoughts?
untill we got the Ta-152 , the P-47 was the fastest thing up high , it will still out-climb the Ta-152 , but the Ta-152 has a slight speed edge (overheat allowing)

other good fighters up high are : La-7's , I-185 , P-51 , all Mk8 & 9 Spits

gx-warspite
02-19-2006, 04:30 PM
La-7 is good up high?

It always seems like it runs out of steam for me at about 6k.

Badsight.
02-19-2006, 09:44 PM
yea , it always used to be the case , untill v4.03

the I-185 has always been a decent high-alt fighter ever since its release . it has a 3 stage supercharger & just as it starts running out of puff you have another stage to go

P-47s will get out-turned up high , but their speed & climb allows them to extend & come around from slightly higher again - very very effective hi-alt fighter & can out-DF Me-262s up high with ease