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Oso2323
03-26-2004, 11:33 PM
I love the spit - once I get it in the air. Nice, manoverable, good on the turn... HOWEVER... on the takeoff and landing (well at least with this pilot) it weaves and ducks like a drunken Mohammed Ali. Jeez, and I thought the 109 was supposed to be hard to land.

Any suggestions? Good landing speeds, etc?

P.S. At what speed does the Spit achive maximum climb?

Oso2323
03-26-2004, 11:33 PM
I love the spit - once I get it in the air. Nice, manoverable, good on the turn... HOWEVER... on the takeoff and landing (well at least with this pilot) it weaves and ducks like a drunken Mohammed Ali. Jeez, and I thought the 109 was supposed to be hard to land.

Any suggestions? Good landing speeds, etc?

P.S. At what speed does the Spit achive maximum climb?

Tully__
03-27-2004, 12:13 AM
You can download a track from here (http://members.optusnet.com.au/tully_78th/quick0002.zip) showing a Spit takeoff & landing.

On takeoff, push the stick forward slightly until the tail comes off the ground and use rudder only to stay straight until you get to flying speed. If you turn "Manual View Control" on while you watch the track, you can watch the pedals see me sawing back & forth on the rudder a lot until I get to about 50-60km/h http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

For landing, set it up a long way out and get your speed and glide slope set up early. I was in a hurry for the above track and used a shorter approach than I'd recommend if you're just learning to fly, but as you mention flying other aircraft it should be long enough.

To control glide slope, use throttle to control touch down point, and use the joystick/trim to control speed. If you're going to overshoot, pull back the throttle, add throttle if you're going to land short.

If you're going too fast, raise the nose a fraction. Only if that will result in an overshoot should you also reduce throttle. Similarly, if you're going too slow, lower the nose slightly, only adding throttle if you're going to land short of the runway.

A long approach allows you to be patient when making changes. Adding throttle to extend your touch down point will briefly increase your speed, but after a few second the slope of your glide will become shallower and your speed will return to the where it was before changing throttle.

Similarly, changing pitch to adjust speed will briefly change glide slope, but as your new speed settles, glide slope will return to close to what it was before the change.

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Oso2323
03-27-2004, 12:46 AM
Thanks!

Any ideas as to maximum climb? Let's say I'm cruising at or near full throttle - I see an bandit, and want to climb above him. Lets say I'm 3000-5000m high.

GAU-8
03-27-2004, 01:06 AM
best way to land a spit..

i KNOW this..

first make sure its nice an thick. curl tongue slightly, and with a sharp breath, blow! can go anywhere from 5 to 20 feet, depending how good you are. mine dont go to far.but im very accurate.

MustangWZI
03-27-2004, 01:30 AM
I guess you got to keep practicing, I know I am. I'd say 65% of the time I get a prop strike on my landing attempts.

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Tully__
03-27-2004, 01:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MustangWZI:
I guess you got to keep practicing, I know I am. I'd say 65% of the time I get a prop strike on my landing attempts.

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Are lost on these fools
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Lower your approach speed, use a shallower (lower starting altitude) glide path and a gentler flare. Try to be doing less than 180km/h before your flare.

If you bounce, don't push forward on the stick, just hold attitude. If it's a bad bounce, push the throttle forward a bit to ease the landing on the second touch.

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MustangWZI
03-27-2004, 01:44 AM
Thanks for the tip, I'll be sure to try this next time. This is the first time I've repeatedly had landing problems in any aircraft with such frequency.

P.S. He, it just hit me, what happened to the Corsair? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Seems like you had it forever. Very nice anyway, variety is the spice of life.

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Taylortony
03-27-2004, 02:30 AM
Hmmm I use a different take off technique to Tully, i just hold the stick all the way back and open it up, the thing has a tendency to nose over so holding the tail down allows it to take off in what ever direction you are pointing, when it has enough speed it literally flies off, then i just ease up on back stick pressure..... landing i just reduce power and fly it on that way it greases onto the runway, when rolling i cut power let it slow then full back elevator when sufficent speed has scrubbed off, to get its back end back on terra firma, it dont like landing cross country as you tend to end up looking at your loose change on the canopy.. when you are looking at the world from an Australian point of view , you red out as the blood rushes to your head http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif nice touch

HellToupee
03-27-2004, 02:39 AM
i found the best way was to slow down put the wheels on the ground and then stop.

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Slechtvalk
03-27-2004, 02:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HellToupee:
i found the best way was to slow down put the wheels on the ground and then stop.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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SeaFireLIV
03-27-2004, 02:52 AM
When a bird waddles like an idiot on the ground, you KNOW she was meant for the air! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A sure sign.

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BOO!

Taylortony
03-27-2004, 03:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
When a bird waddles like an idiot on the ground, you KNOW she was meant for the air! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A sure sign.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/resboo.jpg
BOO!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

my ex used to be like that, wondered what was wrong with her http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WWMaxGunz
03-27-2004, 03:12 AM
Hi Oso! S!

Try using less flap. Take off without any even.

Coming in, go with 100% pitch and low power.

Once I got the feel the Spits are a delight for me to land. Just before I touch, I bring the flaps up to combat and it loses that bit of lift that keeps it hovering or makes the hop but man you gotta know just how far up you are. Too soon and you will bounce and probably crash! just right with the speed and flaps and the touch is light as a feather, it will land almost as easy as it turns.

I never did catch if you replied but are you the Oso who used to play Red Baron 3D back in the fall and winter of 1998?


Neal

Slechtvalk
03-27-2004, 03:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Just before I touch, I bring the flaps up to combat<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Combat flaps on a spit?

With landing a spit touch down at low speed, like at 130-150 km/h. Let the wheels touch the ground with your nose a little bit above the horizon. Then just leave your stick centered untill you reach 90 k/h then move your stick backwards (never push it).

Oso2323
03-27-2004, 08:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
I never did catch if you replied but are you the Oso who used to play Red Baron 3D back in the fall and winter of 1998?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks! Good replies guys (except for the guy who responded with the booger - is there an icon for "eueeew?")

What are you opinions about maximum climbing speeds (i.e. the speed at which you get the most lift at max throttle)

And Neal: Sorry man, but I'm a different Oso. Up until recently I thought I was the only Oso, a unique and rare bird. Alas, I am apparently just one of many Oso's...

Cheers!