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nsteense
11-08-2006, 09:59 AM
What do you think is a must in an aviation aficionado's library for the upcoming winter nights?
Me for instance devores biographies from fighter pilots. The best I've read sofar, are (in random order) 'Samurai' by Saburo Sakai, 'Tumult in the sky' by Jim Goodson, 'Fly for your life' by Bob Stanford Tuck, 'War in a stringbag' by Charles Lamb, 'Sigh for a Merlin' by Alex Henshaw, 'The big Show' by Pierre Clostermann.
One which apparently is a must read, and is failing in my collectio is the biography of one of the finnish aces of WW2. Not sure if it was either Eino Luukkanen or Ilmari Juutilainen. Anybody an idea?

berg417448
11-08-2006, 11:58 AM
Since a bird strike has been known to bring a plane down I'm sure that striking something as heavy as a human in a parachute could do substantial damage.

general_kalle
11-08-2006, 11:59 AM
hmm if it cought the right way yes. then the parachute would work braking the wing and thus slicing it off but the way it is in the game...NO a great mistake<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Don_Karnage
11-08-2006, 12:00 PM
ill have to watch the replay, but I could have sworn I only hit the strings/chute rather than the actual pilot.

Does this game model birds? that would be cool.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MLudner
11-08-2006, 01:23 PM
It's a game flaw, but not a biggie.

I learned that early on the hard way when after downing an AI fighter in a QMB mission the AI bailed and I thought it would be funny to snag the chute cords with my starboard wing and haul my prisoner back to base. If he does anything annoying like taking a shot at me with his side-arm I'll drag him through some tree-tops then do some aileron rolls for good measure. He might get beat-up a bit during the landing, but "What the hell?" I figure, "He's a Fascist Dog, anyway, right? I'm pretty sure Uncle Joe won't give a rat's arse." So, I line up on the 'chute cords above the pilot and slow down to just a bit above stall. My wing was immediately ripped off on contact with the cords and I discovered to my consternation that a MiG-3 just won't fly with only one wing. I immediately decided the MiG-3 was tanked.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Don_Karnage
11-08-2006, 01:27 PM
that's a shame that we cant have fun with parachuted pilots.

I think an option if you are on a chute gently floating to a bright future of interment in a POW camp is to at least shake your fist angrily.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fighter_966
11-08-2006, 01:29 PM
Actally in RL if you fly close enough of parachutist you could kill him by making his
chute to form roman candle or mess up his chute ropes so no need to collide

Monty_Thrud
11-08-2006, 01:31 PM
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Choctaw111
11-08-2006, 01:48 PM
I have yet to do the math but just think of this...each chord is rated to hold 550 pounds (at least they are today) so imagine hitting that with your AC. That is a lot of inertia and those chords are only 1/8" across so it would be like a saw blade cutting through.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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antifreeze
11-08-2006, 01:55 PM
Actally in RL if you fly close enough of parachutist you could kill him by making hischute to form roman candle or mess up his chute ropes so no need to collide

I think this is modelled in the game. You seem to be able to take the wind out of a chute by flying very close past it. However, I think due to lag, I've never got this to work online. It is fairly easy to do offline though, as long as you pass within five metres of the chute.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Choctaw111
11-08-2006, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Antifreeze:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Actally in RL if you fly close enough of parachutist you could kill him by making hischute to form roman candle or mess up his chute ropes so no need to collide

I think this is modelled in the game. You seem to be able to take the wind out of a chute by flying very close past it. However, I think due to lag, I've never got this to work online. It is fairly easy to do offline though, as long as you pass within five metres of the chute. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We paratroopers call that a "candlestick" and the only time I have seen that in game is when the chute gets damaged by an explosion or by gunfire but I have never seen that from a close flyby. I will have to try that sometime and see if I can get that to work...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
11-08-2006, 11:59 PM
That's terrible!....Why would you want to cut off pilots chutes and hurt them...That's simply awful, turning a game where you shoot planes down into one where people get hurt... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

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FritzGryphon
11-08-2006, 11:59 PM
The parachute modeling is wrong on many levels. I almost wish the game had intangible ones like other sims; at least they'd not cause any such problems.

The parachute or cords certainly shouldn't rend an aircraft apart. Tangle, perhaps. Regardless of how strong these materials are, they are flexible, and the whole lot is free-falling, not secured to anything.

The parachute should not offer enough resistance to detotate explosive rounds that strike it.

The parachute should not deflate from having holes shot in it. All well used parachutes have lots of tattered holes in them, and they continue to work fine. Shooting a few small holes in it with a gun would not make any difference.

As far as I can tell, tangling in ones own aircraft, and fire were the main threats to a parachute. Colliding with a parachute was dangerous for getting tangled, and losing control due to the asymmetric drag and weight.

LEBillfish
11-09-2006, 12:03 AM
p.s......Something to consider, a few posts from the PTO quiz thread.....

Major Akira Takatsuki commander of the 78th Hikousentai till his death on December 22nd of 1943, had a long career in the JAFC leading the Independent 10th Dokuritsu Hiko Chutai from 1940-42, then transferred to the 78th as it was formed in March 42 in Manchuria, taking command in April 43 when training began at Akeno, then on into NewGuinea flying the new hope Ki-61..........

Almost a direct counter to Major Akira Takatsuki was Ed "Porgy" Cragg the C.O. of the 80th "HeadHunters" who flew the fighter nemisis of those in NewGuinea the proven P-38......Who sadly also passed away or disappeared forever December 26th, just four days later over New Britain.

Cragg though not putting a round into his counter on December 22nd, never the less was attributed with Takatsuki's death....The result of that fight said to have "haunted" Cragg till his own end just 4 days later.......

"Describe the encounter between these two rival commanders of the 78th Hikousentai, and 80th Fighter Squadron that left the victor horrified till his own end"......you MUST also list web links, or book credits to win this "easily found" question.
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I found this at http://www.mindspring.com/~jaybirdone/headhunters/wwii%20memoirs.htm (http://www.mindspring.com/%7Ejaybirdone/headhunters/wwii%20memoirs.htm)
"At the same time, Cragg was encountering a formation of 78th Sentai Tonys led by Major Takatsuki. The Tonys dived directly on the American escort, but Cragg was quick enough to draw a bead on Takatsuki and fire a burst from about 200 yards. The lead was off, however, and Cragg's fire arced behind his target.

Takatsuki tried to loop his Tony as tightly as possible to get back on Cragg's tail, reaching the top of the maneuver when the second flight of P-38s came into range. Either Lieutenant Bert Reed or Lieutenant Delbert Furgason fired a shot at the Tony, which was hanging almost motionless for the moment. Strange as the coincidence seems, Takatsuki jettisoned his canopy and tumbled out of the cockpit just as Cragg was turning his P-38 directly below.

While the Japanese parachute was deploying, Cragg was unable to avoid hitting it and ripped it to shreds with his right propeller. Horrified, he watched the body of the Japanese pilot tumble thousands of feet into the m