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campbell41
11-26-2005, 04:13 PM
First just want to hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving. Just wondering how everybody else bombs wheter with like a P-51 or a heavy bomber. Isn't there a way to look through the bomb sight?? or do you just eyeball it? Sorry if this seems like a stupid question but this game is unlike any other flight sim I have played this one is just so real. Thanks!!!!

campbell41
11-26-2005, 04:13 PM
First just want to hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving. Just wondering how everybody else bombs wheter with like a P-51 or a heavy bomber. Isn't there a way to look through the bomb sight?? or do you just eyeball it? Sorry if this seems like a stupid question but this game is unlike any other flight sim I have played this one is just so real. Thanks!!!!

jds1978
11-26-2005, 04:18 PM
look into this...
http://www.airwarfare.com/sturmovik_101/faq_index.htm

Q & A Galore for IL2/FB/PF

also see this section...
http://www.airwarfare.com/guides.htm

Guides and Tutorials for IL2/FB/PF

campbell41
11-26-2005, 04:21 PM
Okay thanks for those. But how do you actually look through the bombsight?? I can't figure it out for the life of me. Thanks!!!!

jds1978
11-26-2005, 04:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Okay thanks for those. But how do you actually look through the bombsight?? I can't figure it out for the life of me. Thanks!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AAAH YES...it's a user defined Key. Go into the "Control" section and map it out under the "Gunsight/Bombsight Controls" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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KG26_Oranje
11-26-2005, 05:18 PM
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From pilot seat go to bombadier seat and press SHIFT + F1 key`s.
Only for flyable bombers He111 - B-25 and the betty bomber.
For the rest u use ure pilot vieuw to aim and drop bombs.

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campbell41
11-26-2005, 06:12 PM
Thanks guys!!! So pretty much dropping bombs with any fighters like P-51 or Zeros is really really hard.

lairdperkins
11-26-2005, 07:04 PM
Most of the dive bombers (SBD etc) also have a bomb site that you can look through from the pilots seat, but it points straight ahead instead of down.

Without a site, you're not likely to hit anywhere close to target from high altitude. If you want to bomb with the fighters etc, you're much better off getting down low. Then it's just a matter of overflying the target and releasing the bomb at the right point that it lands at the same time you pass directly over the target. You can do the math on this if you're a masochist and figure out timing for different altitudes and airspeeds; (don't forget to figure in air drag based on the bombs size!) but I just play the game and figure it out with practice and a good old helping of Tennesee (well Illinois) windage =)

Chuck_Older
11-26-2005, 07:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by campbell41:
Thanks guys!!! So pretty much dropping bombs with any fighters like P-51 or Zeros is really really hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hold on a second.

Fighters don't have a special bombsight to drop bombs. Fighters use the gunsight to bomb. that means you're preferably in a dive. Bombsights are virtually the exclusive domain of bombers with multiple crewmembers

I'm not sure how you envision what the procedure was to drop bombs from a fighter, but you have three choices basically:

1) level bombing.
This is what bombers do. You don't have a gunsight or bombardier. This is going to be very, very hard to do. Set a long delay fuse (in real life, 5 seconds was not uncommon), and drop the bomb preferably from a low altitude, under 500 feet or so. Don't expect to be accurate, and expect to be shot at

2) glide bombing
You are in a shallow dive (~30* or so), you make a good guess as to when to drop your bombs as you line up the target with the gunsight, you drop, then pull up and hopefully you aren't caught in the bomb blast

3) dive bombing.
This is the accurate one. You control your speed so you aren't going too fast, you come in to approach your target from around 5,000 feet, you dive at about 70* angle (this will look almost like straight down, check out the side windows and check your wing against the horizon to gauge angle), and at about 3,000 feet, put your gunsight dot on your target and release the bombs. Pull up right away and gain altitude

Those are only very rough examples of the types of bombing you can do by the way

In divebombers, there is sometimes a mark on the side glass to help you gauge your dive angle. Check the Stuka cockpit canopy out

But in any case, fighters aren't specially made to bomb. They can, and they can be accurate, but you aren't going to be accurate with level bombing at 5,000 feet with a fighter

There are best speeds and best angles for various fighters to deliver bombs. You don't want to be going full speed. But anyway, you're not going to find level bombing bombsites on anything but bombers. There simply isn't a station for you to go to in a single seat fighter, and if there were one...who's flying the plane? The Norden bombsight for example, allowed the bombardier to control the plane during the bomb run, but this is not to be mistaken for actually having full controls for the aircraft at the bombardier station so that the bombardier was flying. It was a type of autopilot

Tully__
11-27-2005, 10:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by campbell41:
Thanks guys!!! So pretty much dropping bombs with any fighters like P-51 or Zeros is really really hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah, really easy. It's hitting the target that's hard http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

vocatx
11-28-2005, 05:39 PM
That's what I like about Tully. A fountain of knowledge, and nice concise answers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

redfeathers1948
11-28-2005, 10:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">good old helping of Tennesee (well Illinois) windage =) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lairdperkins:
good old helping of Tennesee (well Illinois) windage =) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahem thats 'Kentucky windage" I do believe.

Dash_8
11-29-2005, 02:07 PM
I read a book once about the 'bombsite' used by fighters. It was called the TLAR bombsite. Standing for... That Looks About Right. It takes lots of practice though to get to know what a good release point looks like.

I've flown 4, one hundred mission campains with Lowengrin's Dynamic Campain Generator all in varients of the IL2. After all that I've gotten pretty accurate with the TLAR bombsite.

Not to change the subject, but I feel the IL2 has one of the best flight models in the sim. As a RL pilot with over 5000 hours, it really 'feels' like an airplane to me. Maybe thats why I fly it so much. I guess it should have a good FM since it was the original plane the FM was written for. Anyhow, sorry for change of topic.