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Bo_Nidle
07-26-2007, 07:04 PM
First, I'd like to set the record straight: This is not a post to bash the USA or its citizens. I like the USA. I spend my holidays there when I can.In the main I have found the citizens to be both courteous and friendly.I admire your freedoms and sense of National identity.

But, for a nation that can put men into space, build tremendous aircraft, state of the art submarines and warships, in fact lead the way in so many areas, why oh why can you not seem to build a decent car?

I was in Florida in July and on arrival at Sanford I decided to hire a convertible (I know now that this was a mistake as, due to the heat and sudden monsoons, the roof was down about 3 times in total). I wanted a classic American marque so I picked the Ford Mustang.....oh dear! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

On getting in it I couldn't believe that this was a modern car. I know its supposed to be retro but that is supposed to be in styling not build quality! It reminded me of cars I had ridden in in the 70's but not in a good way. Fit and materials were bloody awful.It just looked badly constructed inside and out.

With a feeling of foreboding I turned the key and it started first time which was nice. I put it in drive and pulled away to the security lodge.After showing the guard the paperwork I drove it over the speed bump at the lodge and "CLANG!", it bottomed out at about 5-8mph! It was not a large speed bump! "Hmmm" I thought.

With increasing unease I drove to the I-4 and onward towards Haines City. It was during this journey that it started to become apparent that this car is not meant to take any lateral forces at all as any manoeuvre such as overtaking resulted in alarming body roll. Acceleration was less than impressive (this was the 6 cylinder version) and on arrival at the other end I was somewhat less than impressed!

Thankfully on the second day the engine management light came on and I took it back to Orlando airport and exchanged it for a Chrysler Sebring convertible that had only 2000 miles on it. This was a vastly superior car to the Mustang but still fell short of a European car of similar value.

I was hugely disappointed in what I had come to regard as an American icon. For me the Ford Mustang had been up there with the Colt .45, John Wayne, Harley Davidson, Boeing et al. Now I have had to remove it from that list.

In short it was the worst car I have ever driven in my 27 years of driving......and I've driven the diesel Austin Maestro!

On the plus side I fired a Colt .45 while there and that did not disappoint at all!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

So what's the worst car you have driven?

(By the way, to any US citizen out there, what is this fascination with the Toyota Camry?...seriously?)

Bo_Nidle
07-26-2007, 07:04 PM
First, I'd like to set the record straight: This is not a post to bash the USA or its citizens. I like the USA. I spend my holidays there when I can.In the main I have found the citizens to be both courteous and friendly.I admire your freedoms and sense of National identity.

But, for a nation that can put men into space, build tremendous aircraft, state of the art submarines and warships, in fact lead the way in so many areas, why oh why can you not seem to build a decent car?

I was in Florida in July and on arrival at Sanford I decided to hire a convertible (I know now that this was a mistake as, due to the heat and sudden monsoons, the roof was down about 3 times in total). I wanted a classic American marque so I picked the Ford Mustang.....oh dear! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

On getting in it I couldn't believe that this was a modern car. I know its supposed to be retro but that is supposed to be in styling not build quality! It reminded me of cars I had ridden in in the 70's but not in a good way. Fit and materials were bloody awful.It just looked badly constructed inside and out.

With a feeling of foreboding I turned the key and it started first time which was nice. I put it in drive and pulled away to the security lodge.After showing the guard the paperwork I drove it over the speed bump at the lodge and "CLANG!", it bottomed out at about 5-8mph! It was not a large speed bump! "Hmmm" I thought.

With increasing unease I drove to the I-4 and onward towards Haines City. It was during this journey that it started to become apparent that this car is not meant to take any lateral forces at all as any manoeuvre such as overtaking resulted in alarming body roll. Acceleration was less than impressive (this was the 6 cylinder version) and on arrival at the other end I was somewhat less than impressed!

Thankfully on the second day the engine management light came on and I took it back to Orlando airport and exchanged it for a Chrysler Sebring convertible that had only 2000 miles on it. This was a vastly superior car to the Mustang but still fell short of a European car of similar value.

I was hugely disappointed in what I had come to regard as an American icon. For me the Ford Mustang had been up there with the Colt .45, John Wayne, Harley Davidson, Boeing et al. Now I have had to remove it from that list.

In short it was the worst car I have ever driven in my 27 years of driving......and I've driven the diesel Austin Maestro!

On the plus side I fired a Colt .45 while there and that did not disappoint at all!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

So what's the worst car you have driven?

(By the way, to any US citizen out there, what is this fascination with the Toyota Camry?...seriously?)

berg417448
07-26-2007, 07:10 PM
The worst car I ever drove was a Fiat. Don't even remember the exact model...it wasn't mine.

leitmotiv
07-26-2007, 07:21 PM
A Jeep SUV. Last spring. The damnn thing was so top-heavy it was unstable. I had to make a quick lane change to avoid some trouble, and it went out of control and would have flipped had I not straightened the wheel instantly. This is an accident waiting to happen (I am used to very stable, low-slung, four-square sedans). Except for the original squat Hummer, SUVs are death traps.

FoolTrottel
07-26-2007, 07:24 PM
http://www.armyvehicles.dk/images/laro109ambu.jpg
<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">(Diesel, 4 cyl.
Stretched, converted to left hand steering.
Wouldn't go, brake or turn.
Would hardly start in winter.
Would smoke and smell.
Would break down.
Had to camouflage the thing, using patient's blankets to cover them crosses.
From British origin, me thinks.)

Picture courtesy of Kim Hartvig Sørensen, Aarhus</pre>

luftluuver
07-26-2007, 07:27 PM
All SUVs are top heavy.

The worst cars I drove were English cars followed closely by Italian cars. Both like to breakdown at the most in-oportune times.

erco415
07-26-2007, 07:34 PM
Chevy Chevette, hands down the worst.
Funny though, I used to have a '76 Triumph Spitfire, I loved that car. But tell me this: why in the world would a car that came from rainy ol' England not run for **** when it got wet?

flakwagen
07-26-2007, 07:38 PM
The American sports car market of today caters to the over fifty crowd that wants to relive their youth. These people want all the sporty styling but none of the handling. Stiff suspensions would be hard on their hemroids.

I work at a place that caters to these people. There is never a shortage of sporty looking cars in the parking lot. But when you get close, you realize these cars are almost as big and heavy as a Crown Victoria.

Flak

TheCrux
07-26-2007, 07:41 PM
You drove a base model Mustang. The GT has much better chassis underpinnings, and of course much better thrust, though the bent 6 version runs quite well IMO for a car of its weight. Base stang is not my cup of tea, but it's not a bad car....certainly not the worst by a long shot...unless your definition is extraordinarily selective.

Worst car I ever drove was the original "classic" VW beetle/bug. Mushy controls and handling, weak engine. Bad brakes. Drove many, owned 1. An early vehicle, but you didn't specify years; I got the impression this was asking wihich was the worst vehicle you've EVER driven.

You're free to opine on a road test, though I believe you're limiting your sample(s) to fit a preconceived notion.

Honest question at face value....but you're trolling for sure.

luftluuver
07-26-2007, 07:44 PM
erco, because Lucas make lousy ignition systems. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The SU carbs on my Triumph GT6 were a pain &gt; had to check the oil level every day.

heywooood
07-26-2007, 07:44 PM
in 1994 I bought 2 Camry's - one a brand new V6 LS and one a used 1991 LE 4cyl.

The wife got the new one of course - it was our first brand spanky new car ever...

The newer one now has 230,000 miles on it and to date I have only spent money on tuneups oil changes and tires and brakes - oh and at 110,000 it neede shocks and struts. Thats it.

My older beater Camry is sitting on 325,000mi and has had pretty much the same work done on it.

We have owned 'em both outright for over 8 years - zero car payments - all that money straight in the bank for us. Basically we love the Camry's because you could spend more money on maintenance for a bicycle over that span of time than we have on these two tremendously reliable and efficient cars.

Before that I had a '73 Mercury Marquis 2door with a 460ci V8 that was an absolute yacht - I loved that car - it had the headlight lids and wheel skirts and a landau roof - metallic midnight blue and chrome with that black landau top....sweeet. Got about 8 MPG but that was in the 70's so...BFD - friggin AC could blow ice chips in your face without the engine even running lo f'n l excellent summer car be sure.

R_Target
07-26-2007, 07:46 PM
A friend of mine had a Jetta that was an utter POS. Fit and finish was lousy, and eventually stuff just started falling off of it. Burned oil.

1978 Chrysler LeBaron was probably the biggest lemon I've ever had the misfortune to drive.

As for the Camry thing, I dunno. The styling is generic, but the price/performance/reliability combo is hard for American or European makers to beat.

I'd rather drive a pickup truck.

TheCrux
07-26-2007, 07:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flakwagen:
The American sports car market of today caters to the over fifty crowd that wants to relive their youth. These people want all the sporty styling but none of the handling. Stiff suspensions would be hard on their hemroids.

I work at a place that caters to these people. There is never a shortage of sporty looking cars in the parking lot. But when you get close, you realize these cars are almost as big and heavy as a Crown Victoria.

Flak </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF are you talking about? what do you mean "none of the handling...."? The performance ( muscle ) cars have quite "stiff" suspensions ( amongst other attributes ), I say "stiff" in that in the more modern sense, they are comparitively stiff compared to the average sedan ( and passed over by the majority wanting a smoother ride...big-tush crowd ) though quite compliant compared to years past...trading in the slave to the G-force meter jiggliness for more all-around livability.

Are you assuming a car has to be a plowing pig because it weighs more than 3000 lbs, and has RWD?

heywooood
07-26-2007, 07:53 PM
Chryslers are utter CARP !

My brother bought one of those saggy Liberty's - I told him to buy a Toyota but did he listen to me?

Brand new car - needed a brake job after 15,000 mi - complete - needed shocks and struts after 40,000 candy a$$ miles - the power window motor on one of the doors imploded about the same time his AC pump decided to abandon the car on the freeway last summer. He has owned the miserable piece of junk for a little over three years and can't unload it.

Chryslers have notoriously bad starters / brakes / AC units / and electrical wiring harnesses...aside from that they sux completely - and did I mention their lousy fuele mileage - they have the worst average in the US so that means everywhere else too.

horseback
07-26-2007, 07:54 PM
Far and away the worst car I've ever driven was a rented 1981 Ford Escort, although my Dad had a Toyota Corolla hatchback in the late 70s that I came to absolutely despise when home on leave from the Navy.

By the way, Bo, as a regular driver of rental cars, I would strongly recommend avoiding the rental of any 'performance' car with over 5,000 miles on the odometer. People tend to abuse rentals, and if it's a 'sporty' model, it's even worse. Those become 'beaters' very quickly. If you want to drive a Mustang, go to the dealership and take a test drive, or borrow a friend's, if you have one that close (I certainly never did).

That said, most places in the US where a speed bump is necessary means that the local authorities want you moving only slightly faster than an elderly woman with a walker. Almost anything less than a mid sized pickup truck is likely to bottom out at speeds approaching 10 mph (which may explain our love for trucks and SUVs) on our carefully engineered speed bumps.

As for Camrys, I can only state that here in San Diego, it is the favored mode of transportation for the mentally impaired. Only Volvo drivers seem less aware of other vehicles or the laws concerning right of way, but that's because they're all Democrats.

Rant complete.

cheers

horseback

VW-IceFire
07-26-2007, 07:58 PM
The worst car I ever drove was my driving instructors 1987 Honda Civic. I remember flooring the pedal getting on a 400 series highway and she was busy turning off the radio and the air conditioning just so we could break 80kph http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Probably seen a little too much from the various student drivers. The 2007 Honda Civic I test drove a little while ago was fantastic for its power and price so its not a knock against Civics. May end up buying one.

At the moment I'm generally unimpressed with American made cars. My parents own two Chryslers circa 1997 both of which have decent engines, terrible transmissions, faulty electronics, and all of the seals around the doors, windows, and so forth have failed.

Given what Ford and GM are making in Europe...I'd give those a go if they brought them over. Thankfully the Opel Astra is coming over as the Saturn Astra and might be worth a peek. Ford definitely needs to bring the Euro Focus over to replace the old Focus that we have.

I_KG100_Prien
07-26-2007, 08:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheCrux:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flakwagen:
The American sports car market of today caters to the over fifty crowd that wants to relive their youth. These people want all the sporty styling but none of the handling. Stiff suspensions would be hard on their hemroids.

I work at a place that caters to these people. There is never a shortage of sporty looking cars in the parking lot. But when you get close, you realize these cars are almost as big and heavy as a Crown Victoria.

Flak </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF are you talking about? what do you mean "none of the handling...."? The performance ( muscle ) cars have quite "stiff" suspensions ( amongst other attributes ), I say "stiff" in that in the more modern sense, they are comparitively stiff compared to the average sedan ( and passed over by the majority wanting a smoother ride...big-tush crowd ) though quite compliant compared to years past...trading in the slave to the G-force meter jiggliness for more all-around livability.

Are you assuming a car has to be a plowing pig because it weighs more than 3000 lbs, and has RWD? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, have you ever had the pleasure of driving a Crown Vic with the Police Package in it? By no means a slouch of a vehicle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Anywho..Muscle Cars were never designed to have stellar handling/cornering. They were designed around going fast in a straight line. So they don't have a stiff suspension designed for increasing cornering ability.

I miss my 1972 Chevy C20 Pickup. Souped up 350. That thing went like a bat out of hell.. to about 80mph and it was topped.. Had really low gearing. But boy did it get there quick. It was loud, had 360 Air Conditioning (Three windows open at 60mph). Bumpy ride. Pure pleasure.

As for the worst car I've driven.. Hard to say. I had to drive a Chevy HHR as a rental a few years back and I didn't care for it. The visibility wasn't the greatest and I found it uncomfortable.

berg417448
07-26-2007, 08:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

At the moment I'm generally unimpressed with American made cars. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which American made cars do you mean...Nissans, Toyotas, or Hondas? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

My Nissan was made in Tennessee...my wife's Honda in Ohio.

The last big Ford I drove was made in Canada. My friend's Chrysler was made in Mexico. Hard to tell what is what just by the name!

TheCrux
07-26-2007, 08:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheCrux:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flakwagen:
The American sports car market of today caters to the over fifty crowd that wants to relive their youth. These people want all the sporty styling but none of the handling. Stiff suspensions would be hard on their hemroids.

I work at a place that caters to these people. There is never a shortage of sporty looking cars in the parking lot. But when you get close, you realize these cars are almost as big and heavy as a Crown Victoria.

Flak </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF are you talking about? what do you mean "none of the handling...."? The performance ( muscle ) cars have quite "stiff" suspensions ( amongst other attributes ), I say "stiff" in that in the more modern sense, they are comparitively stiff compared to the average sedan ( and passed over by the majority wanting a smoother ride...big-tush crowd ) though quite compliant compared to years past...trading in the slave to the G-force meter jiggliness for more all-around livability.

Are you assuming a car has to be a plowing pig because it weighs more than 3000 lbs, and has RWD? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>So, have you ever had the pleasure of driving a Crown Vic with the Police Package in it? By no means a slouch of a vehicle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Anywho..Muscle Cars were never designed to have stellar handling/cornering. They were designed around going fast in a straight line. So they don't have a stiff suspension designed for increasing cornering </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well yes and no. A distinction needs to be made in regards to muscle cars. The classic ones of yore were of the "go fast in a straight line" variety ( though they handled well for the day...compared to the family/luxury cars of the period ).

The modern muscle cars of today do indeed have stellar handling and cornering.

Stew278
07-26-2007, 08:18 PM
The worst I've ever driven was a Kia Sorrento that I got stuck with as a rental. I was supposed to be renting a Ford Focus and they stuck me with that top-heavy, gas-guzzling POS instead. I burned 2x as much fuel as I had planned for. Free upgrade my a**

Can't say I've ever owned a really bad car. I've had a '91 S-10 pickup, '72 Dodge Challenger, '87 Camaro, and '81 Citation. The Citation was the worst of those, but mostly because the previous owner beat the sh*t out of it.

heywooood
07-26-2007, 08:21 PM
That said, most places in the US where a speed bump is necessary means that the local authorities want you moving only slightly faster than an elderly woman with a walker. Almost anything less than a mid sized pickup truck is likely to bottom out at speeds approaching 10 mph (which may explain our love for trucks and SUVs) on our carefully engineered speed bumps.

As for Camrys, I can only state that here in San Diego, it is the favored mode of transportation for the mentally impaired. Only Volvo drivers seem less aware of other vehicles or the laws concerning right of way, but that's because they're all Democrats.

Rant complete.

cheers

horseback[/QUOTE]


heheh - the best part about driving a Camry is passing all those ignorant SUV and truck driving sponsoons on the freeway, crawling along to save gas as they do - and knowing it costs me less than half the money to drive the same distance over the same roads at twice the speed that they are reduced to....all plodding along like busted a$$ waterbuffaloes...

And if they are driving American trucks and SUV's they are likely to break down every six or eight months anyways, if they can avoid rolling over....so there's that.

I agree about the Volvo drivers though - no one else on the road atall if you were to ask them.

Crash_Moses
07-26-2007, 08:22 PM
One of our drafters just retired from GM. He has a brand new GM truck that he bought with his employee discount. He's had nothing but problems with it. He had problems with the last truck he owned as well but figured it was a fluke and couldn't possibly get two lemons in a row. Now he says he'll never buy another GM product again.

berg417448
07-26-2007, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
One of our drafters just retired from GM. He has a brand new GM truck that he bought with his employee discount. He's had nothing but problems with it. He had problems with the last truck he owned as well but figured it was a fluke and couldn't possibly get two lemons in a row. Now he says he'll never buy another GM product again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A friend of mine had a similar experience with Mercedes Benz. He bought one but had nothing but problems. He got another sedan (can't recall the model) a year later figuring the first was just a lemon. He said the second Mercedes was even worse...continually in the shop for repair. He eventually got all of his money back from the dealer after filing a complaint under the lemon law.

luftluuver
07-26-2007, 08:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
I agree about the Volvo drivers though - no one else on the road atall if you were to ask them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What is it with Volvo drivers? Every time I get near one a sixth sense kicks in and tells me to get away from it.

Esel1964
07-26-2007, 08:32 PM
A worn out Porsche 924,Thank God it wasn't mine, or a Chevy Chevette.

BadA1m
07-26-2007, 09:03 PM
Worst car I ever drove was a Renault LE CAR. The thing was horrible, I can't imagine any human possibly finding a comfortable driving position in one of those things. The punch line is that it was repo, I asked the guy at the dealer if he was sure he wanted it back.

triad773
07-26-2007, 09:15 PM
1974 Chevy Vega. 4 cylinder aluminium engine block.

Not sure if the crack in the engine block was standard equipment or I just drove it too fast, or more likely, an 'undocumented feature.'

It lasted all of two weeks. Some friends helped me get even with the guy who sold it to me by 'sweetening' HIS gas tank http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

BadA1m
07-26-2007, 09:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triad773:
1974 Chevy Vega. 4 cylinder aluminium engine block.

Not sure if the crack in the engine block was standard equipment or I just drove it too fast, or more likely, an 'undocumented feature.'

It lasted all of two weeks. Some friends helped me get even with the guy who sold it to me by 'sweetening' HIS has tank http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had one of those! It was a wagon with a sleeved engine and actually served me well, it carried everything from an axle for my Chevelle to most of the dissasembled big block for it. The two cars complemented each other nicely http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Swivet
07-26-2007, 09:33 PM
82' chevy cavalier http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

msalama
07-26-2007, 10:32 PM
A used 1971 Vauxhall Viva I had the misfortune of owning when I was a mere lad. A true POS that car!

AFJ_rsm
07-26-2007, 10:33 PM
different kinds of roads are different kinds of benchmarks and different kinds of cars succeed


that being said, and with no offense to our American friends (I wholeheartedly agree with Bo_Nidle's intro, you guys have fantastic tech and are at the top of the food chain machinery wise in every other aspect), American built cars just DO NOT cut it in Costa Rica.

We have bumpy roads. Holes, dips and bumps, you name it. The only type of road we dont have are flat smooth ones. The reason for such poor construction of our roads I cannot explain. I'm guessing it has to do with corruption on state level contracting. I feel embarrased about it, but to be honest there's not much I'm doing at the moment to fix it so I'll stop my complaining there.

Back on topic, I've driven a lot of American cars around here, fords, jeeps, chevys, and they just dont cut it. Suspension breaks, steering is weak and wears, they overheat, they just break down.

Toyotas hold up better. Japanese cars in general are more accepted by the general driver around here. We also import a lot of beat up hyundais that although they look, sound, and feel ****ty, you have to admire how after being beat up in korea they ship them here and they still run for quite a bit of time.

That all being said, the ****tiest car i've driven is a beat up toyota corolla. 1988 model. Currently driving a VW Jetta that is beginning to let down as well.


But truth be told, even a Ferrari can become the worst pos to drive if you don't take care of it well. Maintenace of course is a must, but the roads here make it hard to keep cars well maintained. That's where build quality and toughness comes into play and in that field I like mitsubishi's and toyotas from what i've seen and experienced.

zardozid
07-26-2007, 10:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I was hugely disappointed in what I had come to regard as an American icon. For me the Ford Mustang had been up there with the Colt .45, John Wayne, Harley Davidson, Boeing et al. Now I have had to remove it from that list. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha......

It must be an American thing...

The deal with the "mustang" is that it's a "Cool Car!"...It is not a great car.

It's about driving around with that special "Lady" and looking good getting their...It's about "FUN"



The worst car I ever drove was a 1984 "Chrysler New Yorker"...

p.s. strangely enough the 2006 Mustang got very good customer reviews and excellent reliability reports...

RAZORBACK-47
07-26-2007, 11:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
First, I'd like to set the record straight: This is not a post to bash the USA or its citizens. I like the USA. I spend my holidays there when I can.In the main I have found the citizens to be both courteous and friendly.I admire your freedoms and sense of National identity.

But, for a nation that can put men into space, build tremendous aircraft, state of the art submarines and warships, in fact lead the way in so many areas, why oh why can you not seem to build a decent car?

I was in Florida in July and on arrival at Sanford I decided to hire a convertible (I know now that this was a mistake as, due to the heat and sudden monsoons, the roof was down about 3 times in total). I wanted a classic American marque so I picked the Ford Mustang.....oh dear! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

On getting in it I couldn't believe that this was a modern car. I know its supposed to be retro but that is supposed to be in styling not build quality! It reminded me of cars I had ridden in in the 70's but not in a good way. Fit and materials were bloody awful.It just looked badly constructed inside and out.

With a feeling of foreboding I turned the key and it started first time which was nice. I put it in drive and pulled away to the security lodge.After showing the guard the paperwork I drove it over the speed bump at the lodge and "CLANG!", it bottomed out at about 5-8mph! It was not a large speed bump! "Hmmm" I thought.

With increasing unease I drove to the I-4 and onward towards Haines City. It was during this journey that it started to become apparent that this car is not meant to take any lateral forces at all as any manoeuvre such as overtaking resulted in alarming body roll. Acceleration was less than impressive (this was the 6 cylinder version) and on arrival at the other end I was somewhat less than impressed!

Thankfully on the second day the engine management light came on and I took it back to Orlando airport and exchanged it for a Chrysler Sebring convertible that had only 2000 miles on it. This was a vastly superior car to the Mustang but still fell short of a European car of similar value.

I was hugely disappointed in what I had come to regard as an American icon. For me the Ford Mustang had been up there with the Colt .45, John Wayne, Harley Davidson, Boeing et al. Now I have had to remove it from that list.

In short it was the worst car I have ever driven in my 27 years of driving......and I've driven the diesel Austin Maestro!

On the plus side I fired a Colt .45 while there and that did not disappoint at all!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

So what's the worst car you have driven?

(By the way, to any US citizen out there, what is this fascination with the Toyota Camry?...seriously?) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Are you mentally ******ed? Thank god they took the Mustang away from you...

woofiedog
07-27-2007, 01:53 AM
72 AMC Gremlin... good thing it had a Great starter. It stalled out everytime you trying to pull out into heavy traffic or a tractor trailer was coming along. Finally gave it away... didn't have the heart to sale it to anyone.

font15
07-27-2007, 02:31 AM
Easily the worst car i have driven was a friends 2ltr. fuel injected Maestro. With 140k on the clock it was an astonishing vehicle, probably capable of reaching escape velocity if you could find a smooth enough road to keep all the wheels on the ground at the same time. Power/weight ratio was helped enormously by being made of baking-foil, braking performance was prayer-assisted. Also, when it rained very heavily the female computerised voice would constantly repeat 'you need a service now!'
Interestingly, the best car I've ever owned was a 1979 VW Jetta that did 226k before my mother borrowed it and hit a stationary..er..house.

Badsight-
07-27-2007, 02:42 AM
my take is different

because of a mechanic background , ive had to help dozens of freinds/relatives fix their own

& the worst cars to work on are british vehicles

they are the world leaders at purposly designing their cars to be hard to dismantle/work on - some of the placments for nuts & bolts defy belief

i will never touch another Land Rover for the rest of my life

FPSOLKOR
07-27-2007, 02:59 AM
Chevy Niva is one for sure... My friend got one, and made 4 gearbox overhauls in less then half a year... I would not be worried if this would happen to ordinary VAZ, but I expected some improvements when chevy helped it's assistance. The model also completely lost it's all-road capabilities. As for the best car - I own and drive Volvo 960 and Volvo Cross. 960 is the best, Cross is just new, and I still can't say anything about it... But both cars are excellent on our roads in turms of survivability - there is nothing one can do to a Volvo to brake it to a stand still. IMHO.

msalama
07-27-2007, 03:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">& the worst cars to work on are british vehicles </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some old French machines are pretty awkward too. Sez a happy ex-owner / mechanic of a vintage Renault 4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I hope I still had the car though... was a true wee beauty that one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

luftluuver
07-27-2007, 03:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
Chevy Niva is one for sure... My friend got one, and made 4 gearbox overhauls in less then half a year... I would not be worried if this would happen to ordinary VAZ, but I expected some improvements when chevy helped it's assistance. The model also completely lost it's all-road capabilities. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Says more about where the car was built. Remember the Russian copies of the Fiat.

stathem
07-27-2007, 03:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight-:
my take is different

because of a mechanic background , ive had to help dozens of freinds/relatives fix their own

& the worst cars to work on are british vehicles

they are the world leaders at purposly designing their cars to be hard to dismantle/work on - some of the placments for nuts & bolts defy belief

i will never touch another Land Rover for the rest of my life </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But look on the bright side...that's why British mechanics are the best in the world, and why we clean up at F1.

Worst Car - A VW Golf. Not really the Golf's fault, I just got shafted/not paying attention when I bought it for £250. Should have known a Golf for £250 - would be a pile of poo...it ran a bearing as I drove it home after purchase. Put a short motor from a scrapper in it but it never worked properly. You win some you lose some.

Best - a toss up between a Talbot Samba I bought for £150 (the one before the Golf) - for 12 months it ran all over the country between 80 and 90 mph, went round any corner I could throw at it (and at the time I was making monthly trips to South Wales, down the A roads). Never missed a beat or needed a part. But the front panel was only quantumly attached to the rest of the shell, it would have taken 400 quids worth of welding to get it throught the MOT.

But probably the 1978 Opel Kadett Coupe (with the 1197cc motor) which was the first car I ever bought. The gearbox fell apart regularly with gay abandon and you couldn't get an exhaust for it over here in Blighty for love nor money, but I loved it to bits. If I ever get comfortably well off I will search one out for my mid-life crisis.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/1/1b/250px-Opel_Kadett_C_Coupe_1.2S_1978.jpg

'cept mine was Red.

Capt.LoneRanger
07-27-2007, 03:12 AM
http://www.british-oldie-rent.de/images/cars/landrover109serie3.jpg

A Landrover like that. I needed 5 minutes to get it out on the street, as the turning cycle was similar to that of the Nimitz.

I never saw another car eating up the same amount of oil and fuel and I never drove another car, that had a hatch to access the cardan shaft through the middle console.

x6BL_Brando
07-27-2007, 03:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Says more about where the car was built. Remember the Russian copies of the Fiat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1 on the Polski Fiat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

The scrapyard wanted me to pay them to take it off my hands! I just dumped it outside their main gate very early one morning, but I had to push it half a mile to get it there after the water pump broke on the way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

B

msalama
07-27-2007, 03:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">+1 on the Polski Fiat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...but then again old original Fiat 600s are just superb http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Owned one of those back then too - great little critters and very easy to service / fix as well IIRC...

No601_Tom
07-27-2007, 04:05 AM
Ford Cortina MkIII. However, it was also the most fun to drive as it was so rear-light you could fishtail it on dry tarmac.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

As for cars from the US, well if you lived in your cars as much as they do I think comfort would take precedence.

ploughman
07-27-2007, 04:39 AM
We had a Spanish built Vauxhall Nova that had it's coil behind the right headlight. If it rained the engine would stop. WD40 baby.

Bo_Nidle
07-27-2007, 04:47 AM
[/QUOTE] Are you mentally ******ed? Thank god they took the Mustang away from you...[/QUOTE]

They didn't take the Ford Donkey.....sorry, Mustang, off me I took it back. My mental state has often been open to question but I am used to more sophisticated European cars, such as BMW. I suppose I've been spoiled a little. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

msalama
07-27-2007, 05:19 AM
[deleted the original post because hotlinking pics from another site is not always a good idea]

But anyway, what we nowadays drive is a Seat Arosa 1.4 HB Sedan. A great little bugger - very sturdy, economical and fun to drive too!

Sergio_101
07-27-2007, 05:25 AM
Worst car I ever drove? A 1973 "Super Beetle"
Horrible car, bad brakes, non functional heater,
noisy transmission and the fuel economy was not that good.
But at least it was severly underpowered.

I have owned a lot of "**** cars" and of the lot the Chevrolet Vega
is a stand out. Nothing worse than an engine that will seize/tie up with out notice.
I went through 3 engine changes before I junked it. The only warning to trouble
was the oil smoke got worse prior to failure.

Worst overall quality? late 1960's and early 1970's British cars in general.
Junk, poor quality throughout, increadibly bad electric and fuel systems.
In our 1974 TR-6 the engine was making noise and burning oil by 35,000 miles on the clock.
engine was completely worn out. I overhauled it and sold the car.

By the way, I owned two V8 AMC Gremlins. Generally good cars, reliable
and a very over powered. One was a street/drag racer.
After the Vega it was nice to have a car that ran was reliable.
AMC cars were not up to the standards of the big 3, but they were
strong and a whole lot safer than the Ford Pinto and Chevrolet Vega.

Sergio

snooper2
07-27-2007, 05:30 AM
Land Rover 3.9 V8
what a boat anchor.
3 years of perserverance.
Gone forever Thank heaven.
Give me the big crusier sedans.
Stick underpowered German and poor build standard UK vehicles to the big cities.
I like the 'Yank Tank' deal.
Based on 40 years driving and a gizillion kilometors in the bush.
regards snooper.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

han freak solo
07-27-2007, 06:49 AM
I too had a '76 Triumph Spitfire in the 1980's.

It was the worst daily driver I ever had because of reliability. Probably make a great weekend play toy, though.

The best was a '91 Honda CRX Si. Too bad I lost it in a deeevorce.

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-27-2007, 07:40 AM
Worst: 1974 Gremlin. Bad brakes, held together with rust, no reverse (really...no reverse), heater was always on (like the older bugs) which suxored bigtime in the Texas panhandle.

What a piece of junk. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Regarding the statements about Chrysler, I can honestly say the new 300C is a sweet ride. It's fit, finish, handling and performance are superb for a ~$30,000 vehicle...but it's still no BMW.



TB

crucislancer
07-27-2007, 08:02 AM
The worst car I ever had was a late 80's Dodge 600. As soon as I passed 100,000 miles, it broke down with alarming regularity, despite regular maintenance. The best so far was my early 80's Toyota Tercell. I put 100,000 on it, and it had 115,000 when I bought it, and it still ran great.

LW_lcarp
07-27-2007, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
heheh - the best part about driving a Camry is passing all those ignorant SUV and truck driving sponsoons on the freeway, crawling along to save gas as they do - and knowing it costs me less than half the money to drive the same distance over the same roads at twice the speed that they are reduced to....all plodding along like busted a$$ waterbuffaloes...

And if they are driving American trucks and SUV's they are likely to break down every six or eight months anyways, if they can avoid rolling over....so there's that.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I get a hoot out of people like you that beg and plead with there friends to let them borrow you there truck so you can hall stuff around. And then make the news cause the 5 sheets of drywall you were carring straped to your roof blew off and cause a big wreck on the freeway.

Worse car has to be the Dodge Neon. Road noise gutless and not worth the money. But then again any Mopar product isnt all that great.

han freak solo
07-27-2007, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LW_lcarp:

And I get a hoot out of people like you that beg and plead with there friends to let them borrow you there truck so you can hall stuff around. And then make the news cause the 5 sheets of drywall you were carring straped to your roof blew off and cause a big wreck on the freeway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pfftt. For most of the year the majority of people don't need that day-to-day hauling capacity. They certainly are conditioned to think so, though.

I've owned small trucks and big trucks back when a crew cab was a work vehicle, so I've only owned single cab versions. Sure I could haul something the 6 or so times a year I needed some dirt or some wood. However, the rest of the year I really could have used a back seat.

Once I ditched my last truck in 2003, I just rent a truck as needed. U-haul will let you get one for a starting price of $19.95 plus mileage. Since I own a little Toyota station wagon with lay-flat seats, I've only needed to rent a truck twice since 2003.

Jaste07
07-27-2007, 08:29 AM
Probably the worst i've driven would be a pontiac sunfire. Absolutely terrible. To TgD's post, I like the 300c, ive driven both the standard and hemi models, but I liked the older 300m better. It seemed quicker and more responsive. I cant speak for the newer mustangs, but I've driven a 98 GT, and it drove surprisingly well. Lots of power, and handled very well considering it's a "muscle" car.

Maybe not the "best" car I've driven, but definetly the most fun, would be a friends Acura RSX Type S. Small, very quick, with short clutch and shifter travel to make for really quick shifts. Not to mention redlining at around 9000 rpm's. Absolute blast to drive.

OD_
07-27-2007, 08:32 AM
The worst car I have driven was a Chrysler PT...F'ing terrible.
I'll admit my Vauxhall Corsa (company car) tried to kill me but it was still better than that ugly thing with victorian technology for suspension!!! Leaf springs!!! I had it for a day as a courtesy car, never again!

American cars are notorious for not knowing what to do when a corner appears ahead...straigh line ok, anything else and it is time to panic!

However my new Corsa is great...handles well, good little engine, I'm more than happy with it!

han freak solo
07-27-2007, 08:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OD_:
American cars are notorious for not knowing what to do when a corner appears ahead... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's a corner?

luftluuver
07-27-2007, 08:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OD_:
American cars are notorious for not knowing what to do when a corner appears ahead... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's a corner? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That is true. Just listen to a nascar race where there is 2 corners but the announcers say there is 4. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Bewolf
07-27-2007, 09:03 AM
Well, considering how most american roads look, you really do not want to have some european style suspensions. They'd be through in no time. American roads kinda reminded me of former eastern block countries, but so did nearly all of the infrastructure there. One gets used to it.

At least in the US you have the space to do Nimitz like turns.

Mercwolf2
07-27-2007, 09:08 AM
1999 Chrysler Intrepid 2.7L. The model has a sludge build up problem in the engine design which either blows up your engine or affects performance.

rickster3459
07-27-2007, 09:10 AM
1980 Chevy Chevette and second,1997 Saturn 4 door LS6.

danjama
07-27-2007, 09:20 AM
Anyone here driven a SkylineR33/34 or an Evo V-IX?

Please detail your experience...

Also please include details of engine type etc if known, thanks.

Sergio_101
07-27-2007, 09:40 AM
Ok, best car I have owned?

1994 Chevrolet (Camaro) Z-28. with the + package.
Quick, intense handling and very econimical.
155,000+ on the clock, did the brakes
for the first time at 147,000, original
everything except tires and brakes.
Getrag 6 speed manual trans, 350 v8.

Only complaints are the overly heavy controls
and the "skip shift" feature that forces you
from first to fourth gear at certain RPMs and load conditions.

average fuel economy is in the mid 20 mpg range.

This car will take a corner harder than most people can allow.
It beggs to be cornered HARD.

Sergio

reisen52
07-27-2007, 09:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I am used to more sophisticated European cars, such as BMW. I suppose I've been spoiled a little. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah they run almost as well as a I hate to say it a Mustang.

This is a list of cars performance & prices published last month. All the cars are pure stock effectively driven from the dealers to the test facility Virginia International Raceway. The track is 4.2 miles long, fast & slow turns with good changes in elevation.

The cars are ranked by lap times not price

Corvette Z06 $77, 230 Lap 2.58.2
Porsche GT-3 $121,559 Lap 3.01.8
Corvette $56,056 Lap 3.03.6
*Lotus Exige-S $66,035 Lap?
*Audi R-8 $117,725 Lap?
Porsche 911 Turbo $141,510 Lap 3.05.8
Ford Shelby-GT500 $43,765 Lap 3.05.9
BMW 335i Coupe $ 46,200 Lap 3.10.5
Audi RS-4 $74,325 Lap 3.11.5
BMW Z4-M Coupe $57,500 Lap 3. 11.7
Pontiac Solstice GXP $31,096 Lap 3.13.5
Mazdaspeed-3 $24,650 Lap 3.15.0
Mini Cooper-S $ 26,170 Lap 3.22.9

*Overall finish position listed but not the lap times.

BTW a rental car in the US is generally at the bottom of the automotive food chain including the base Mustang unless you pony up (pun intended) for a pony like the Shelby GT-H version.

texhill88
07-27-2007, 10:04 AM
The worst car i have driven is a 94 Honda civic its engine had not gotten a tune up in over 5 years it had no RPM guage and its handling was poor overall it was a horible experience for me.

ddsflyer
07-27-2007, 10:06 AM
VW Rabbit.

carguy_
07-27-2007, 10:13 AM
Probably the Korean wonder Daewoo Tico,even worse than the FSO Polonez or Opel Kadett.

Cabine is smaller than in the Bf109 with very crappy seats made of some weird sort of fabric.The engine has this annoying eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep sound to it like there were mice running it.Terrible suspension, brakes. Cockpit dashobaord so crappy that it is aching to crash this car.Damage model as durable as the Fiat 126p.
Passengers get tired after about 20km of a drive.

Finally one of my family members got in the way of a troley bus.It crashed into him with daring speed of ~25 km/h. The car was totaled beyond repair and scrapped.Family member lightly injured.

Now when I think of it, it was a good fortune that it was totaled.The family stopped buying cheap unsafe cars. If it ever crashed in a normal road situation barely anyone would survive. A quickly heating up hard to drive tin can with no safety whatsoever.

FPSOLKOR
07-27-2007, 10:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
Says more about where the car was built. Remember the Russian copies of the Fiat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmmm... My Gramps bought a Moskvich-412 built by IzhMash (not building cars anymore) in 1970... I sold it at the price of a new one in 1994 with 400+ k on the odometer with no overhauls... UAZ's are best offroaders known to me (there is nothing to do on the road for them, though) with suzuki samurai and mercedes-G somewhere close behind. At the same time hummers are a load of **** - it broke down before we had a chance to test it's off-road capabilities. Early production Ladas are still on the roads, but nowadays production really sucks. That's why i switched to swedes.

I_KG100_Prien
07-27-2007, 10:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">heheh - the best part about driving a Camry is passing all those ignorant SUV and truck driving sponsoons on the freeway, crawling along to save gas as they do - and knowing it costs me less than half the money to drive the same distance over the same roads at twice the speed that they are reduced to....all plodding along like busted a$$ waterbuffaloes...

And if they are driving American trucks and SUV's they are likely to break down every six or eight months anyways, if they can avoid rolling over....so there's that.

I agree about the Volvo drivers though - no one else on the road atall if you were to ask them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


My 1998 Dodge Ram 1500 has never broken down, has 150,000 miles on it and still runs like a top.

You call those who drive Trucks/SUV's ignorant. I know my truck isn't as fuel efficient as a smaller vehicle with smaller engine. I don't speed not because I'm trying to save on gas.. I don't speed because a $300 ticket isn't worth saving myself 5 minutes of time to get to my destination. $300 is two months worth of gas refills. I'll take the extra five minutes thanks.

Too many people are too unaware to realize that doing 85mph on busy freeways, weaving in and out of traffic gets them nowhere fast.. literally. I always chuckle when some idjit goes flying by me, and I end up right behind them at a stoplight.. Or pass by them when we hit a bit of congestion because they were too busy being a dumb-arse to look at the road ahead..

sgilewicz
07-27-2007, 11:14 AM
OK my worst was my first: 72 Plymouth Valiant with a 3 speed manual trans with the shifter on the steering column. You had to come to a complete stop in order to shift into first (no sequencers!). The clutch would burn out every 10-15000 miles but I was in college at the time and working at a garage so it cost me parts only. Had it for five years before a faulty oil filter gasket ruptured and siezed the engine.

Best I've had is my 95 Corvette (130000 miles currently). Anyone who says US cars can't corner and are gas pigs just hasn't driven a Vette. With my 6 speed manual trans I typically get 27-30 mpg on the highway and 19-20 around town. High speed turns are accomplished with routine ease. The ride is very stiff (but what do you expect for high agility?). The interior is a bit low quality and fit and finish is not up to current standards but the drivetrain and suspension are simply magnificent (and for a lot less money than a comparable performer from across either ocean!).

It is funny reading how bad some of our former rides have been though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Poker_4H
07-27-2007, 11:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by msalama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">& the worst cars to work on are british vehicles </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some old French machines are pretty awkward too. Sez a happy ex-owner / mechanic of a vintage Renault 4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I hope I still had the car though... was a true wee beauty that one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aaaaahhh ... memories !!
I remember swinging around one of those multi mini roundabout thingies and looking straight down....at the road !!!
Bloody thing would lean like the dickens !

Never failed me .. although having the rusty left fender wrap itself down the side of the car @ 70 mph was a bit of a scare.

cawimmer430
07-27-2007, 11:40 AM
A 1994 Toyota Tamarraw 1.6. What a s***box that thing was. Terrible build quality, NO POWER (drive the car, turn on the A/C and the acceleration just stops right there! NO POWER!!!) and it was ugly too. Sure, it was cheap but who would buy something like this with zero power? The moment you turned on the A/C, this thing didn't move. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

msalama
07-27-2007, 11:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bloody thing would lean like the dickens! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oui! Had this le torsion bar thingamajiggy suspension thingy y'see http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What a groovy little automobile that one. C'est la vie w/ style... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Stew278
07-27-2007, 12:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">heheh - the best part about driving a Camry is passing all those ignorant SUV and truck driving sponsoons on the freeway, crawling along to save gas as they do - and knowing it costs me less than half the money to drive the same distance over the same roads at twice the speed that they are reduced to....all plodding along like busted a$$ waterbuffaloes...

And if they are driving American trucks and SUV's they are likely to break down every six or eight months anyways, if they can avoid rolling over....so there's that.

I agree about the Volvo drivers though - no one else on the road atall if you were to ask them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


My 1998 Dodge Ram 1500 has never broken down, has 150,000 miles on it and still runs like a top.

You call those who drive Trucks/SUV's ignorant. I know my truck isn't as fuel efficient as a smaller vehicle with smaller engine. I don't speed not because I'm trying to save on gas.. I don't speed because a $300 ticket isn't worth saving myself 5 minutes of time to get to my destination. $300 is two months worth of gas refills. I'll take the extra five minutes thanks.

Too many people are too unaware to realize that doing 85mph on busy freeways, weaving in and out of traffic gets them nowhere fast.. literally. I always chuckle when some idjit goes flying by me, and I end up right behind them at a stoplight.. Or pass by them when we hit a bit of congestion because they were too busy being a dumb-arse to look at the road ahead.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been driving pickup trucks for 15 years, never had one roll over. Don't blame the vehicle. A reckless driver in a coupe or sedan or wagon is just as much of a menace as one in an SUV or truck.

My '91 S-10 has never given me problems. I get good mileage because it has a 4cyl engine. It still has enough power and durability to pull a boat, so it suits my needs.

If you people like your compact sedans then fine. But don't go acting like owning one makes you superior to everyone else. Reminds me of the South Park episode "Smug Alert"

Plodding along like a busted a$$ water buffalo is a little thing some of us like to call 'obeying the speed limit.'

And saying Volvo drivers act like no one else is on the road isn't fair. There's alot of drivers that act like that, regardless of the make of their vehicle. A lot of Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Lexus, Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen drivers here pull the same cr*p. I regularly see business people on the way to work in the morning doing 50mph+, zig-zagging between cars on city streets. Sometimes they're in SUV's, but most often it is a mid or high end sedan.

msalama
07-27-2007, 12:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sometimes they're in SUV's, but most often it is a mid or high end sedan. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same thing everywhere. See not the crate but the pilot again so to speak http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BRASSTURTLE
07-27-2007, 12:29 PM
Hands down the worst I have ever driven was my '70 VW Type 3 Fastback. I had no knowledge of VWs when I shelled out $600 for it. It had no engine sheet metal so it overheated on the way home. Next time I drove it the plumes of black smoke should have told me something was off. $500 in repairs later & I was "good to go."
NO heat, except in summer. Loose steering column. Wipers were a joke. Thankfully previous owner pulled the FI & put on a minibus carb. Distributor would not stay tight so timing was always off. (Nearly burned it to the ground after getting too happy with the ether.) Shifter broke off on the 2-3 during rush hour. Only car that made me walk more times was my '65 Dodge Custom 880 Dreadnought. It had a stuck fuel gauge float & a 383 big block. Plus dry-rotted bias ply tires that would shed tread at highway speeds.

Mom had a Ford Maverick that was appropriately painted lemon yellow. She carried a pencil for the automatic choke. One morning, while warming it up to take us to school, it dropped into reverse on its own. It crossed the street, threaded the needle between the neighbor's El Camino & the telephone & backed down his yard missing two trees, a swing & a shed. Total piece of ****.

As for American land cruisers, I now drive a 96 Chevy Caprice without the police package. Body roll is part of the deal with Moby.

MEGILE
07-27-2007, 12:35 PM
Aston DB-7

reisen52
07-27-2007, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:


heheh - the best part about driving a Camry is passing all those ignorant SUV and truck driving sponsoons on the freeway, crawling along to save gas as they do - and knowing it costs me less than half the money to drive the same distance over the same roads at twice the speed that they are reduced to....all plodding along like busted a$$ waterbuffaloes... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe many of those ignorant SUV and truck driving sponsoons on the freeway don't have to worry about gas millage & can afford to drive what they buy.

Twice the speed? You routinely drive your Camry, 4 cyl? (aka the Japanese/American Buick) at 170mph, would like to see that. BTW is it beige?

My 2002 Explorer 4X4 has 115,000 miles on it, never in for other then normal maintenance & my 1998 Ranger 4X4 pickup also has never had anything but routine maintenance.

Both do quite well (low 20's) moving along at 80-85mph or so on the interstate, which is pretty much the normal speed here.

Additionally, They have never rolled over, not even once. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

My BMW & Acura will pull down about 30-31 at the same speed. Interesting thing at about 15,000 miles a year with $3.00 gas the difference between a 20mpg car & a 30mpg car is about $15. a week.

That is less then the cost of 3 cups of Starbucks coffee.

neural_dream
07-27-2007, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by reisen52:
Maybe many of those ignorant SUV and truck driving sponsoons on the freeway don't have to worry about gas millage & can afford to drive what they buy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I see you are a good friend of Al Gore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

DmdSeeker
07-27-2007, 12:45 PM
Hmmmm

I think it's strange that a lot of the guys saying pick up trucks and SUV's are stabile enough - it's how you drive 'em are the same guys that complain about the P51 snapping wings.....

&lt;ducks and runs.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif &gt;

jarink
07-27-2007, 12:50 PM
Worst car I've ever had - a 1979 Honda Accord. Sure, it was quick and got good mileage, but the back end was way too light for driving on any kind of snow or ice (a big problem in the midwestern US in winter). In the 15 months I owned it, I had the back end flip out on me twice, once causing me to go off the road backwards.

The other problem with it was that when it broke down, it was nearly impossible to find anyone besides the 'local' Honda dealer (which was 15 miles and a $35 towing fee away) who would even look at it, much less fix it. I finally got rid of it when the timing chain slipped and bent most of the valves when starting it one cold morning.

This may sound weird to many people, but the best car I've had is my current ride, a 1991 Chevy Cavalier VL!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
I've put nearly 160,000 miles on it in the 16 years I've owned it and have only had it in the shop for repairs twice. (Freeze plugs and alternator)

I plan on keeping it until the wheels literally fall off.

reisen52
07-27-2007, 12:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
Hmmmm

I think it's strange that a lot of the guys saying pick up trucks and SUV's are stabile enough - it's how you drive 'em are the same guys that complain about the P51 snapping wings.....

&lt;ducks and runs.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif &gt; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has to do with real life experience.

In almost 50 years of driving 4X4's, both civilian & military I have never rolled one.

It would be interesting to see how many 4X4's have rolled & how many cars have rolled in the same time frame.

GreyFox5
07-27-2007, 12:59 PM
The worst car I've driven would have to be a Ford Tempo. My sister bought it and what a POS it was! http://www.bedford.k12.va.us/bstc/autotech/carbid/images/tempo94b.jpg

She also bought a Buick that was just a rolling piece of Junk. Good thank my brother managed to smash it for her http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.chavisauto.com/images/1994Skylark.jpg

But my most reliable best car since 1997 is my VW Fox with 167,700 miles on it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/GreyFox5/GryFox.jpg

Growing up in Michigan (Detroit area) you sort of have to buy American. Kinda drilled into ya. Once I moved away I bought VWs and Hondas http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Looking to by a Mini to replace my Fox.

Cheers

reisen52
07-27-2007, 01:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by reisen52:
Maybe many of those ignorant SUV and truck driving sponsoons on the freeway don't have to worry about gas millage & can afford to drive what they buy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I see you are a good friend of Al Gore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Al would love me...when I feel guilty I ride the bike. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

http://home.nc.rr.com/reisen52/rc7.jpg

http://home.nc.rr.com/reisen52/rc5.jpg

msalama
07-27-2007, 01:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Aston DB-7 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I_KG100_Prien
07-27-2007, 01:26 PM
It is absolutely about the driver in regards to the danger of a vehicle. I don't recall ever rolling my 4x4 either. But thats because I don't drive like an arse-hat.

Reliability is all about how well the vehicle is maintained. I bought my '98 Ram used with 138,000 miles on it. It still looked close to brand new, barring a few minor scratches to the paint. The previous owner kept it well maintained and it was obvious.

I also keep it well maintained, it gets it's regular check ups and just had a bumper-to-bumper tune up. Now she's running better than ever. I don't doubt the truck will last me for several more good years.

It only gets about 16-18mpg but I can live with that. If I couldn't I wouldn't have bought it.

Though, to get back on the topic of worst vehicle, for me it was a 1984 Nissan Pickup that had been poorly maintained prior to me obtaining it. In the year I had it..

Both front brake lines busted. That was fun.. nothing like hitting the brake pedal and having it go straight to the floor with ZERO pressure. Good thing it was a standard transmission..

The fuel filter has this nasty habit of constantly getting dirt in it. Not from the gas tank either. The cursed thing was just above the left rear wheel. Hard as heck to get to when it needed changed. Which was often...

The throttle would stick at about 1/4. I would have to get out and put WD-40 on it to free it up. Strange thing was.. Only happened when it rained. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I was glad when someone backed into it in a parking lot and totaled it. Was able to take the money from the insurance and use it to fix up the 1972 C-20 I had waiting.

I also give a vote for "Crappiest Car" to those stupid little Ford Festivas. Never owned one, but a good friend did. He died in it during a collision. (was his fault though...) Probably would have survived if he had been driving something sturdier.

BaronUnderpants
07-27-2007, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The worst car I ever drove was my driving instructors 1987 Honda Civic. I remember flooring the pedal getting on a 400 series highway and she was busy turning off the radio and the air conditioning just so we could break 80kph http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Probably seen a little too much from the various student drivers. The 2007 Honda Civic I test drove a little while ago was fantastic for its power and price so its not a knock against Civics. May end up buying one.

At the moment I'm generally unimpressed with American made cars. My parents own two Chryslers circa 1997 both of which have decent engines, terrible transmissions, faulty electronics, and all of the seals around the doors, windows, and so forth have failed.

Given what Ford and GM are making in Europe...I'd give those a go if they brought them over. Thankfully the Opel Astra is coming over as the Saturn Astra and might be worth a peek. Ford definitely needs to bring the Euro Focus over to replace the old Focus that we have. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

U should try the Honda Civic - 85 automatic...a real jem. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

To be honest , did what it was supose to, take the driver ( anymore in the car and it propably wouldnt budge ) from A to B but was by a fireman i talked to considered to be the most dangerouse car u could sit in in a headon collision. Whatever car u would collide with would climb ontop of the poor Civic and squash it. Sadly he did see it first hand more than once.

han freak solo
07-27-2007, 02:50 PM
I love the assumptions about the small cars speeding and the big lumbering beasts going the speed limit in the US. Pffft.

East of Houston on I-10 EVERYONE speeds. 75 mph will get you run over. I dunno why.

The slowest drivers here are the illegal immigrants (any nationality). It doesn't matter what the vehicle, they drive way below the speed limit everywhere. They oughta outlaw taco trucks from the highways here, too. Those roach coaches driven by little muchachas might get up to 50mph going down an overpass. With a tailwind.

BTW, I'm talking driving only. I won't play in the anti-illegal game on this forum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

As far as rolling over cars or trucks, I've never done it. Once, though, someone complained to my boss at the office that I went flyin' by them on 2 wheels in my long gone '95 GMC Sonoma truck. I actually did that, but the left side wheels musta been only inches off the ground, because the truck handled it beautifully.

My boss said it was impossible, and I just went along with what they believed. Heh heh. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

BTW, my 2nd worst car was '02 Mazda 626.

reisen52
07-27-2007, 03:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by han freak solo:

East of Houston on I-10 EVERYONE speeds. 75 mph will get you run over. I dunno why. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tell me about it. When I lived on the Jersey shore, worked in NYC, the NJTP & GSP commute was bumper to bumper @ 80+mph. If you got slow an 18 wheeler would quickly take up your whole back window & say HI with his air horn.

Down here the traffic is about as fast but not as close together; although as Raleigh continues to grow the influx of that the locals call newcomers is starting to shrink the gaps.

Back to the topic - mine is actually two worse cars, about equally bad in reliability. My first car a used '57 Ford convertible & a company car in England a new '92 4.0 liter Jaguar saloon.

Having had a lot of different cars both foreign & domestic over the years I can honestly say I missed most of the horror stories I am reading & have had pretty good luck overall.

Pays to be ignorant I guess. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

crazyivan1970
07-27-2007, 03:22 PM
Worst &gt;

http://i11.tinypic.com/63bl7hy.jpg

Best &gt;

http://i17.tinypic.com/5zp7yti.jpg

ElAurens
07-27-2007, 04:04 PM
The worst car I've ever driven has got to be a Yugo. A commie FIAT, great idea that...

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The best car I've ever driven is a tie between the Aston Martin V12 Vanquish and Ferrari 550 Maranello. Both test driven in the course of my work as chief mechanic at an automobile museum.

sakai2005
07-27-2007, 04:06 PM
amc hornet the biggest piece of @#$$%%^%^%$$#$ ever to be sold as a auto.well all amc is was @#$$%%$##@@ total garbage.

Chumley-Warner
07-27-2007, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stew278:
Been driving pickup trucks for 15 years, never had one roll over. Don't blame the vehicle. A reckless driver in a coupe or sedan or wagon is just as much of a menace as one in an SUV or truck.

My '91 S-10 has never given me problems. I get good mileage because it has a 4cyl engine. It still has enough power and durability to pull a boat, so it suits my needs.

If you people like your compact sedans then fine. But don't go acting like owning one makes you superior to everyone else. Reminds me of the South Park episode "Smug Alert"

Plodding along like a busted a$$ water buffalo is a little thing some of us like to call 'obeying the speed limit.'

And saying Volvo drivers act like no one else is on the road isn't fair. There's alot of drivers that act like that, regardless of the make of their vehicle. A lot of Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Lexus, Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen drivers here pull the same cr*p. I regularly see business people on the way to work in the morning doing 50mph+, zig-zagging between cars on city streets. Sometimes they're in SUV's, but most often it is a mid or high end sedan. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Quite agree with you here old chap.

Best car I have had is what I am driving now. A Late 2nd Gen Mitsubishi Shogun (1999) (Mitsubishi Montero to those over the pond, Mitsubishi Pajero to those who don't know the "Dirty" slang http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif).


http://www.rinta-jouppi.com/~rjautot/JOM-52.jpg


Absolutely love it. Never ever rolls on corners or abrupt lane-changes like some have said that "SUV's" do (badly designed suspension perhaps?). Great during the snow (or floods lol). I always doing the speed limit or UNDER because as a responsible parent it is my duty (also against the Law, remember). Is 2 mins haste really worth 30 quid fine plus 3-6 penalty points on your licence?

It also isnt one of those "Gas-guzzlers". 4x4s in the UK are very different from those in the US. There is already a big incentive to buy fuel efficient vehicles (called fuel duty) and most people opt for the most economical 4x4s. Fuel consumption figures for 4x4s vary greatly, but the vast majority sold in the UK are diesel engined and do between 25 and 42mpg "” they are comparable to family saloons not '12mpg gas guzzlers'.

None of the saloons I had could carry 7 people a dog and luggage through a snow drift. Handy for towing all of those smug "Eco-warriors" who lambast me for driving one when they need help too. Hehehe what, what.... good show. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

All the tosse.... erm... unpleasant chaps over here seem to driver Beamers, Audi or golfs.


Worse ever car?
Renault Laguna..... what a POS. 18 MPG if you were lucky, broke down every week and a mechanics nightmare. even simple things like driveshafts are all different lengths. Nightmare to work on.


http://www.cap-discount-tuning.com/catalog/images/laguna2.jpg


Never again....

ddsflyer
07-27-2007, 04:20 PM
Worst mileage wise is my Baron, about 7mpg on $4.50/gal aviation fuel. Best mileage wise is my Harley Wide Glide.

Monterey13
07-27-2007, 04:38 PM
I cannot believe I haven't seen this one yet...Chevrolet/Geo Metro 3cyl turbo. Probably the worst I've ever driven, and as a former ASE Mechanic, I've driven lots.

I currently have a 1997 Ford F-150 4.2L with 219,000 miles on it, and it's running strong...and it still has ice-cold AC.

I also have a 1995 Ford F-150 5.0L with 292,000 miles on it, and it's in as good or better shape than the other one.

Mopar man at heart, and have had many old Mopar musclecars. I just like Ford trucks, they hold up better than any other.(Yes, even those Chebbies). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

My pride and joy is a 1982 Suzuki GS850L with 39,000 miles on it. I have to turn down offers all the time because this bike is in such good shape. I am adding a BMW K1200LT to my arsenal next spring, so we can take longer trips. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

R_Target
07-27-2007, 05:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BRASSTURTLE:
Hands down the worst I have ever driven was my '70 VW Type 3 Fastback. I had no knowledge of VWs when I shelled out $600 for it. It had no engine sheet metal so it overheated on the way home. Next time I drove it the plumes of black smoke should have told me something was off. $500 in repairs later & I was "good to go."
NO heat, except in summer. Loose steering column. Wipers were a joke. Thankfully previous owner pulled the FI & put on a minibus carb. Distributor would not stay tight so timing was always off. (Nearly burned it to the ground after getting too happy with the ether.) Shifter broke off on the 2-3 during rush hour.t </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol, I had a '72 squareback. It was junk, but it looked so cool I put up with it for two years. The bolt holding the oil strainer on the bottom of the engine stripped out, dumping all my oil in the parking lot right as I pulled up to work. I had to tap out the hole (aluminum!) and thread a new stud in.

Let's see.....removing the tire to change the starter...lousy fuel injection with rotten lines...loud...smelled like a gas station all the time...front brakes locking up (when they worked).....eventually one of the rear hubs started shearing cotter pins and trying to fall off the axle, and I benched it.

But like I said, it was a cool car, so I put up with it as long as I could.

mortoma
07-27-2007, 05:16 PM
So far you guys have got to be kidding right?? Sure, many of the cars listed are inferior beasts. But my "worse car" will trump all of yours! The infamous YUGO!!! This is by far the worse car I have ever driven. It made all American cars I have driven seem perfect in comparison!

And as an American I can admit we don't make very good cars here. And the reason is simple, there has been little incentive for American manufacturers to make a great car. At least not for a long time. The US car makers have been able to capitalize somewhat on the patriot "buy american" sentiment. And this sentiment lasted from the early eighties until recently. Mostly this sentiment was obviously borne out the desire for patriotic Americans to keep the US job economy doing well. But despite the patriotic buyers, Toyota and Honda started hammering US cars in sales, because half of the US public started realizing in the eighties that Japanese cars outlasted american cars and that they were more reliable by far. Despite the buy American sentiment that swayed some, many people found Japanese cars to be better. I was one of those people and as soon as I switched to Honda I could not believe how reliable it was compared to the American cars I had been driving. In the seventies and early eighties I was constantly having to replace water pumps, alternators, starters and the like, just to name a few things, as far as my American cars. But my Hondas almost never require replacement of such things. I think now the US auto makers are getting their act together and to survive they are having to change. The reliability is improving and the economy is slightly better now.

mortoma
07-27-2007, 05:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sakai2005:
amc hornet the biggest piece of @#$$%%^%^%$$#$ ever to be sold as a auto.well all amc is was @#$$%%$##@@ total garbage. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I had an 1976 AMC Hornet and that thing lasted me for 5 years before I gave it back to my dad. The Yugo a friend of mine had made my Hornet seem like a great car. Strangest thing about my Hornet was it had a weird habit of blowing the distibutor cap off during start up on a hot day. I'd have to get out and put the dist. cap back on and the metal clamps that held the cap to the main dist. body got kind of stretched out and sprung after a while. But I drove it like that for years. The absolute strangest thing that happened was one day after turning 90 degrees onto another highway, the engine suddenly made the loudest, most terrible racket I had ever heard before or since. The engine quit and sat there contemplating how I was to get got home or what to do in the days before cell phones.
Well, just for the heck of it, I decided to turn over the engine and guess what?? It started right up and I drove it for two more years without much problem!! I really did not actually replace many parts on that Hornet, so it was not such a piece of #$#%& after all. I did rebuild the carbeurator ( spelling? ) once because the float got saturated and it was running too rich because of that.

mortoma
07-27-2007, 05:30 PM
My entry is the winner of all. The Yugo is the worse car ever made by mankind, period. Nobody can beat me.

Monterey13
07-27-2007, 05:34 PM
There is no such thing as an "American Made" car. Assembled, yes, but made, no.

Look around your car and tell us how many times you see...
"Made in Taiwan"
"Made in China"
"Made in Mexico"
etc...

mortoma
07-27-2007, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Monterey13:
There is no such thing as an "American Made" car. Assembled, yes, but made, no.

Look around your car and tell us how many times you see...
"Made in Taiwan"
"Made in China"
"Made in Mexico"
etc... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, that's kind of true now. But not as recently as ten years ago. That is a recent trend, especially with the smaller Ford and Chevy econo-boxes.

Badsight-
07-27-2007, 05:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
I always chuckle when some idjit goes flying by me, and I end up right behind them at a stoplight.. Or pass by them when we hit a bit of congestion because they were too busy being a dumb-arse to look at the road ahead.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>just speeding a little doesnt get you anywhere faster - when you speed a little you burn fuel in the accell & then have to slow as soon as slower traffic appears , so your ganed time cost heaps in fuel when you could be just a little slower for a lot less fuel

you either have to speed up properly & maintain your speed (pass as soon as you reach slower traffic) , or you get a motorbike

learning the aforementioned has been depressing because its experience based on the absence of two wheeled transport

most serious bikers laugh at cars in traffic . your EVO or STI or GTR is as awesomely fast as the car its stuck behind . & here in NZ were are starting to get real congestion all over

lots of people behave like sheep on the roads & they are the biggest cause of frustration . no idear about flow or maintaining speed . no qualms about causing huge traffic lines by refusing to overtake . my problem is how much trouble i get into on a bike , not as keen to run from every cop now unlike when i was 20 . & even for small amounts faster than the speed limit your treated like a murderer

han freak solo
07-27-2007, 07:09 PM
Ten years ago I wanted to move to NZ because some motorcycle magazine here in the USA said y'all had the highest ratio of motorcycles to people of any nation in the world. Oh well, I'll try to visit some day.

han freak solo
07-27-2007, 07:29 PM
I gotta admit, I like to go a bit faster than the slowbies out on the road. Not to get anywhere sooner or to believe I'm saving time. I just like a slightly brisk pace, because I enjoy driving. It's a casually brisk pace, too. From a distance you couldn't tell my speed because I tend to drive with steady smooth moves. It's real cruising like a cruiser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiser) NOT Harley-Davidson cruising.

Many people on the road aren't driving, they're just along for the ride even though they are behind the wheel. I know they love their automobiles and the freedom, but these people really aren't driving enthusiasts. You don't need a sports car to be a driving enthusiast, by the way.

What I'm mean is, these "non-enthusiasts" are looking around their vehicle perhaps only as far as a 1/16th mile away, unaware that the move they are about to make is unsafe at worst and inconsiderate at best. They are not in their cars to enjoy the trip, they are in their cars to be distracted from driving until they reach their destination. They could really care less how fun the upcoming corner could be, because they might spill their soft drink that has no lid on it. We all know what I mean.

I'm a driver. Which are you, a driver or "other".


3rd worst car for me = '97 Ford F-150 Lariat.

Badsight-
07-27-2007, 07:49 PM
neither , "Rider" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by han freak solo:
they are in their cars to be distracted from driving until they reach their destination. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>bikers worst nightmare . all cars are out to "get" you , because of the type described above

on the whole NZ has low quality highways , & some of the fun parts are getting "stupefied" (widened & straightened) . many awesome roads for riding are here tho , the paraparas , awakino gorge , goat valley , the napier-taupo highway , the coastal road from gisborne to opotiki , most of northland & all the sth island http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

im hoping to be able to purchase the 08 Hayabusa next May - if things work out

Stew278
07-27-2007, 07:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by han freak solo

I'm a driver. Which are you, a driver or "other". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I only drive a few miles a week on average. I bicycle or walk whenever possible; reckon I'd fall under the category of "pedestrian". Of course to the drivers around here that makes me synonymous with "obstacle" or "target practice"

Seriously though I enjoy driving or better yet riding a motorcycle. Unfortunately having to keep your head on a swivel to avoid becoming roadkill kind of saps any enjoyment out of it. Gotta watch out for those self-absorbed drivers that are too busy with their cell-phone or text messaging to pay any mind to the road or other people on it.

heywooood
07-27-2007, 11:22 PM
you got that right Stew...texting, watching DvD's, reading the paper, shaving, and the all too familiar make-up applying whilst freeway driving - I have seen this and worse...

And not only that - but when you know how many people are medicated or drunk or exhausted at the wheel you realise there just isn't enough steel to surround yourself with...especially since most of these types drive SUV's or trucks...

It is why I gave up motorcycles...

Blood_Splat
07-28-2007, 07:06 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/UPS_truck_-804051.jpg/250px-UPS_truck_-804051.jpg

12 hours in this everyday. Seat belt off run with package. seat belt on do 60 mph down street to makes sure next air is delivered by 10:30am. Stop go run... stop go run... stop go run. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Monterey13
07-28-2007, 07:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Monterey13:
There is no such thing as an "American Made" car. Assembled, yes, but made, no.

Look around your car and tell us how many times you see...
"Made in Taiwan"
"Made in China"
"Made in Mexico"
etc... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, that's kind of true now. But not as recently as ten years ago. That is a recent trend, especially with the smaller Ford and Chevy econo-boxes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I beg to differ, as I have had many cars from the 60's and 70's, and I have seen several parts that were made elsewhere. I am going to work on my dads' 55 Cadillac today, so I'll peek around it and see if I see anything made overseas. It's usually electronic/electrical parts that you find are made elsewhere. I'm talking original parts, not aftermarket.

horseback
07-28-2007, 12:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And saying Volvo drivers act like no one else is on the road isn't fair. There's alot of drivers that act like that, regardless of the make of their vehicle. A lot of Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Lexus, Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen drivers here pull the same cr*p. I regularly see business people on the way to work in the morning doing 50mph+, zig-zagging between cars on city streets. Sometimes they're in SUV's, but most often it is a mid or high end sedan. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I've been driving in the US of A since the late sixties, and if there's anything I've found, it is that similar types of personalities like similar things (argue with me if you will, but Madison Avenue is fueled by the same conviction). It may change from area to area, but certain crowds populated by certain types of @sshats tend to gravitate to the same makes and models.

In Southern California, mid scale bad drivers love their Camrys, bonehead young punks need to have their souped up Accords, and Mexican housewives will clog the freeway lanes with their full-sized Chevy vans all day long.

There're also the cars with 'look at me' paint jobs; a jewel tone red, emerald green, turquoise or sapphire blue car, van, or SUV can be counted upon to do the worst possible thing at the worst possible time from a traffic flow point of view. I have long theorized that those people are simply seeking any kind of attention they can get, like a small child that acts out in public.

But for sheer self righteousness, nothing approaches the American Volvo owner, who apparently thinks that his 'enlightened' purchase of a quality vehicle with loads of safety features (not to mention his or her inherent moral superiority) compensates for his lack of awareness or ignoring (vice ignorance) of the rules of the road. This may also explain some of the popularity of the Camry with the less affluent crowd; they simply think it compensates for the flaws in their driving technique.

The only thing I was concerned about is the possibility that it wasn't really the driver, but something in these cars' ventilation systems that made the driver act impaired. But heywooood never struck me as a complete boob, so that theory has lost some credibility. He may belong to the 8-10% of Camry drivers out here who actually pay attention to the road (as opposed to the 2 or 3% of Volvo drivers).

I remain convinced that the make & model of the vehicle you drive is a general indicator of the type of driver you are. By being aware that a certain car in your vicinity is of a type that has usually been driven poorly, you can save yourself a lot of grief. I try to keep a couple of lanes or other cars between me and them, and it has served me well.

By the way, I've been driving my 1998 Chevy S-10 for 9 years and 126,000 miles without a major problem, aside from the battery giving up the ghost after 7 years. I have always considered it solidly made.

Best car I ever drove/owned? A 1973 Lincoln Mercury Capri with a 2000cc engine. Solid, reliable, 33mpg (at the peak of the first oil crises, too), quick as a cat (it ate Datsun 240Zs for breakfast), and quite agile (try the 89 from Sedona to Flagstaff sometime; if your car can't corner, you'll never get over 30mph over most of that drive).

After my marriage to She Who Awakens and Complains, selling that car was the second biggest mistake I ever made.

cheers

horseback

FPSOLKOR
07-28-2007, 12:43 PM
Hmmm... Interesting point of view.... Here in Russia worst drivers are in all kinds of Mercedeses (the older - the worse), BMW (X5 namely) and Toyota Land Cruisers. The safest ones drive Volvos, Audi and VW... Other Japanese cars have nothing outstanding in them.

DustyBarrels77
07-28-2007, 12:56 PM
basically any car made in the 80s is a pos, before that so many good rides. 90s till current day weather its american japanese german swiss british doesnt matter they are all eco rides with good handling poweless pos's engineered to break at 150,000 miles. In engineering school the first thing they teach you is to make a product break at a certain time, not last forever...

worst ride for me had to me a mercury sable from the 80s which had all sorts of probs, then vw bug of course but was so old http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif best ride was 69 nova ss pinned you to the seat

Taylortony
07-28-2007, 12:59 PM
Looks superb, but it had a secret that I did not know about till I hit the first corner when having a blast in one........

NO F****ING BAFFLING IN THE TANK http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

cranks it round the corner and all of a sudden all that water in the tank shifts across to one side........ closely followed by the back end and the ever growing brown streak in my trousers......


http://www.fire-engine-photos.com/pictures/1948.jpg

DeerHunterUK
07-28-2007, 02:47 PM
I think the worst car I've driven was a hire car I had in whilst on holiday in Montana. It was a Chevrolet Prizm with a 1.6 engine in it. I had to drive 250-300 miles in it from the airport in Billings to Great Falls in a car whose engine was struggling to say the least. The worst car I've driven here was my brother's brown Vauxhall Chevette which he bought off his Mother in law...yes she saw him coming alright! An absolutely awful car to drive with rust holes in the wings and no redeeming features except when it broke down (we nicknamed it the shove it) and you didn't have to suffer in it any longer.

Bo_Nidle
07-28-2007, 05:17 PM
A picture of the offending Ford Donkey...sorry, Mustang,...sorry. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/BoNidle/donkey.jpg

But like I said I may be a little spoiled:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/BoNidle/Mybeemer.jpg
BMW 320si,Quick off the mark and handles like an F-16....love it to death!

Until I get this:
http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent004/2008-bmw-m3-34.jpg

Unfortunately the Mrs will have to meet an unexplained end while I remain in the shadows, an enigmatic figure with a chainsaw and big life insurance payout!

Trigger_88
07-29-2007, 03:41 AM
if the stang you drove was a renta car that explains why it sucked soo bad.probly driven hard and fast by some guy theashing it just because it was a rental...stangs are great cars, get the gt and you love it. You should not take the stang off that list of yours....

turnipkiller
07-29-2007, 06:49 AM
Hi Bo_Nidle, you were just south of us, we live in Deland. I hope you had a good time other than your rental car choice. Next time see if they have one of the Roush Edition Mustangs. They are a little more powerful and handle somewhat better. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif What places did you get to visit while here?

Worst car I drove was a friend's 80-something Hyundai Pony. This car was such a piece of junk, the best thing was when you wanted to make a right hand turn you simply let go of the wheel and away it went. He did something to the steering, so you had to fight just to keep it in a straight line. lol it was a fun beater car tho.

*edited because I didn't know cra-p was a bad word, but apparently it is so I will clean up my potty fingers and never type it here again.

airdale1960
07-29-2007, 07:59 AM
1979 Mercury Zepher, 4 Cyl, Absolutely no get up and go. It struggled to get to 80 MPH.

Niipzu
07-29-2007, 09:47 AM
The worst car/truck I've driven is definitely the '88 Toyota Liteace. My employer (im working only this summer for him) wont get rid of it for some reason i really dont know. "Ace" holds it barely together, boils and spills out fluids in every occasions. Last Friday it lost the 3rd gear :P

On the other hand it's such a cool crappyvehicle, but ability to get from A to B could do. Lucky enough, longest distances i have to drive are something like 10km.

heywooood
07-29-2007, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
But heywooood never struck me as a complete boob,

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...Hey - I'll take whatever compliments I can get around here - no matter how backhanded they might be...and FWIW - I have come to the understanding from what I've read around here that ol' horseback is an allright sort for the most part as well...

As far as my Camry ownership goes..mine is an old, faded grey eyesore of a beater...but it runs like a top and has started reliably and run everyday that I've owned it (aside from a dead battery purchased new from and returned to Sears a few years ago (remember - they were exchanging old for new and then reselling the old ones after cleaning them up?) Gotta love Sears http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif never again.

Before that and for a dozen years I had motorcycles - and for most of that time I had only motorcycles, so I was all weather and freeway capable ergo I believe I was and still am a pretty good driver (knock a little wood) - I do not weave in and out of traffic in my car, nothing pi$$es me off more than that kind of driving...just so we are clear - I refer only to the lethargic guzzlers that seem to have adjusted their driving, in an apparent attempt to conserve fuel, to merging onto freeways at a little more than an idle, or basically - the same rate at which they travel from traffic light to traffic light.

I don't think I should have to ammend my driving habits to make up for their lack of insight WRT to the obvious trend in the price of a gallon of gas.

I rode conventional style street bikes - not racers - in a more or less conservative way - I was not a lane splitter...I think that kind of riding is more a less a gamble with the one thing you can't afford to lose...just my oppinion there.

MEGILE
07-29-2007, 10:34 AM
heywoood is no boob... I have seen his chest!

heywooood
07-29-2007, 10:46 AM
yes well - easy there pal...I'm just about to that horrible age where a 'man-zierre' is required.

If I'da known then what I know now - in spite of all my love for beer - I would have drank much less of it.

Duff beer is fact - thanks Matt Groening

horseback
07-29-2007, 12:37 PM
You just needed to stay away from those brands with 'estrogen' listed in the ingredients, bro.

By the way, Megile, that was a very disturbing confession. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

cheers

horseback

mortoma
07-29-2007, 03:01 PM
So I guess I'm the only person that ever drove a late 80s or early 90s Yugo??? I must be because it should appear in more posts than just my own post. All the cars I've seen so far in this thread are literally fantastic cars compared to a Yugo. I think that many people in this forum must be too young to have ever even heard of a Yugo. My theory is that the Balkans war and the spit up of Yugoslavia was due to people there being so disgusted that their country actually produced such a nasty vehicle!! They were so ticked off and embarrased about it that it ignited a war. Mortoma once again explains all.

horseback
07-29-2007, 03:50 PM
No mortoma, most of us surviving members of that generation were too smart to ever get inside, much less drive, a Yugo, thereby disqualifying it as a candidate for us.

Come to think of it, that may be a contributing reason to why we've lived this long...

cheers

horseback

han freak solo
07-29-2007, 03:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
I think that many people in this forum must be too young to have ever even heard of a Yugo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been driving legally since '81. I saw Yugos and just kinda dismissed 'em. I was in my motorcycle only days when those were new, and I tended to ignore most cars.

I remember ignoring Hyundais too in the early '90s, but they're still around and apparently doing okay. Another brand I would like to ignore but can't because of the name, KIA. Killed in action, that's just perfect. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Bo_Nidle
07-29-2007, 04:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trigger_88:
if the stang you drove was a renta car that explains why it sucked soo bad.probly driven hard and fast by some guy theashing it just because it was a rental...stangs are great cars, get the gt and you love it. You should not take the stang off that list of yours.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know I'm probably being a little hard on the Mustang but like the saying goes "You should never meet your heroes".Admittedly it did have almost 50,000 miles on it but I still stand by the criticism of its build quality, it really was woeful.However I believe the Mustang sells for around $30,000 which is about £15,000 in the UK. For that money then I suppose its not a bad deal.However in the UK we really get stiffed on cars and pay way over the odds.

I am aware of the Rousch Mustang after seeing it on BBC's motoring tv show "Top Gear",but contend that if you have to modify a car that much to get it to drive decently then there's something amiss with the original design.

I tell you what. The next time I come back to the states (trying for the West coast in a couple of years) I'll try one of the bigger Mustangs and see if I like it any better.

P.S. I've checked BMW prices in the States and can confirm we are definitely getting ripped off over here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif For an M6 in the USA its about $100,000 which is about £50,000 at the current exchange rate.A not inconsiderable amount of money I'll grant you.However an M6 in the UK retails for around £90,000 which is about $180,000 !!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif If you ask me something smells fishy, and I'm not talking about the contents of Baldricks apple crumble!

HerrGraf
07-29-2007, 09:04 PM
The original Ford Mustang was merely a rebody job done to a Ford Comet. We all know what a POS the Comet was. See quite a few old Mustangs at car shows, but narrily a Comet. (Except at "Ford Day" held at Knottsberry Farm in Buena Park California in April- where anything Ford ,or Ford related can be found,)

DKoor
07-29-2007, 09:10 PM
Golf Mk.I is the worst because of the condition it was in.......really sorry sight.

The best. Hm. Tough choice.

I guess one nice Alfa Romeo 156 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

luftluuver
07-29-2007, 09:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HerrGraf:
We all know what a POS the Comet was. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe that was because it was Ameican made. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif My mother's Comet was used and abused by myself and my 3 teenage brothers and it ran like the Energizer Bunny, forever.

ElAurens
07-29-2007, 10:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
So I guess I'm the only person that ever drove a late 80s or early 90s Yugo??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I mentioned it sometime back...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

TheCrux
07-30-2007, 03:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trigger_88:
if the stang you drove was a renta car that explains why it sucked soo bad.probly driven hard and fast by some guy theashing it just because it was a rental...stangs are great cars, get the gt and you love it. You should not take the stang off that list of yours.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know I'm probably being a little hard on the Mustang but like the saying goes "You should never meet your heroes".Admittedly it did have almost 50,000 miles on it but I still stand by the criticism of its build quality, it really was woeful.However I believe the Mustang sells for around $30,000 which is about £15,000 in the UK. For that money then I suppose its not a bad deal.However in the UK we really get stiffed on cars and pay way over the odds.

I am aware of the Rousch Mustang after seeing it on BBC's motoring tv show "Top Gear",but contend that if you have to modify a car that much to get it to drive decently then there's something amiss with the original design.

I tell you what. The next time I come back to the states (trying for the West coast in a couple of years) I'll try one of the bigger Mustangs and see if I like it any better.

P.S. I've checked BMW prices in the States and can confirm we are definitely getting ripped off over here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif For an M6 in the USA its about $100,000 which is about £50,000 at the current exchange rate.A not inconsiderable amount of money I'll grant you.However an M6 in the UK retails for around £90,000 which is about $180,000 !!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif If you ask me something smells fishy, and I'm not talking about the contents of Baldricks apple crumble! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't need to modify a new Mustang ( ala Roussh ) for a decent performer, because you drove a base-model Munstang with the V6 engine, not the GT with the 5 speed manual and V8. Moreover, convertables are quite a good deal heavier than the HT/Coupe counterparts, which would explain its high price and relatively lethargic performance. The Mustang GT has 50% more HP than the V6 model you drove ( it's torquey and free breathing at higher RPM's as well ) and a much more athletic chassis. Nice shifting 5 speed manual as well. ( Borg-Warner T5 ) Cost in the high 20's.

In summation, what rankles knowledgable people most about your "review" is that you drove the worst possible example of the marque, but come off making an assumption you just drove the standard bearer of the marque. There is a difference that you seem to not either not realize, or studiously ignore. You didn't "meet you hero". You meet his press agent.

Base model Mustangs are the sales volume leaders for non-enthusiast drivers and rental fleets.

DKoor
07-30-2007, 04:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by han freak solo:
I remember ignoring Hyundais too in the early '90s, but they're still around and apparently doing okay. Another brand I would like to ignore but can't because of the name, KIA. Killed in action, that's just perfect. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Overally I don't really like Hyundai's much, but I like their Coupe.

Nice car http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif and not too expensive either (for its class).

dirtdigger54
07-30-2007, 04:19 AM
the mitsubishi Montero.... The wife loves it.... Every time I drive it-it squeezes the package so tight the "boys" go numb. Excelleration sucks, its top heavy, and EATS gas and brakes....
DD

dirtdigger54
07-30-2007, 04:20 AM
Or a Simca...

ElAurens
07-30-2007, 05:37 AM
I was seriously in the market for the new Mustang GT till I discovered that Ford once again cheaped out and refused to offer independant rear suspension as an option ( h3ll, it should be standard! ). After test driving several examples, both new at the dealer, and some low mileage rental fleet cars, I'm glad I did not buy one.

They remain low tech cars for people with low expectations of what an automobile can be in the 21st. century.

IMHO.

Brain32
07-30-2007, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
So I guess I'm the only person that ever drove a late 80s or early 90s Yugo??? I must be because it should appear in more posts than just my own post. All the cars I've seen so far in this thread are literally fantastic cars compared to a Yugo. I think that many people in this forum must be too young to have ever even heard of a Yugo. My theory is that the Balkans war and the spit up of Yugoslavia was due to people there being so disgusted that their country actually produced such a nasty vehicle!! They were so ticked off and embarrased about it that it ignited a war. Mortoma once again explains all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You want to hear something shocking? Yugo is not the only and probably not the worst ex-Yugoslav car http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
I never tried to drive one, the worst I had was 1986 Skoda 135L, ofcourse it was 10+ years old when my dad bought it in the late 90's making everything even worse http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

orkan_3d
07-30-2007, 09:08 PM
You think Yugo is bad? Try learning to drive with Yugo with broken third, fourth and fifth gear!

ake109
07-31-2007, 02:59 AM
Would have to say the original Beetle.

Sure its got cute looks and 'character' but its 'orrible to drive.

Stiff controls all over, like the MGB I tried but at least the MGB compensated by having wild tail-out action. The beetle couldn't tail out even in the wet.

BSS_AIJO
07-31-2007, 01:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ake109:
Would have to say the original Beetle.

Sure its got cute looks and 'character' but its 'orrible to drive.

Stiff controls all over, like the MGB I tried but at least the MGB compensated by having wild tail-out action. The beetle couldn't tail out even in the wet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


hmmmm

I had a 69 beetle back in college.. It was sweet. Yea, power nothing, but with the bus stearing wheel you didnt need it. I could do pretty much anything with that car, including push start it going up hill. It handled well up to about 90 miles per hour then the shaking on of the front end got too spookey to push harder.
Also, I traded the crappy 40 horse engine in with a later 1.6 that was bored out to 1.9 and had much better carbs, and exhaust than would have been stock.

I would have said that the 72 super beetle was the worst car I ever drove... But I did drive my moms 84 ford wagon, wow that was a pos. Then there was my roomates 81 mustang, even worse. Apparently back then ford didnt believe cars should operate in the presence of moisture. Umm or if there was gas in the tank 8^P

BSS_AIJO

TheCrux
07-31-2007, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_AIJO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ake109:
Would have to say the original Beetle.

Sure its got cute looks and 'character' but its 'orrible to drive.

Stiff controls all over, like the MGB I tried but at least the MGB compensated by having wild tail-out action. The beetle couldn't tail out even in the wet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


hmmmm

I had a 69 beetle back in college.. It was sweet. Yea, power nothing, but with the bus stearing wheel you didnt need it. I could do pretty much anything with that car, including push start it going up hill. It handled well up to about 90 miles per hour then the shaking on of the front end got too spookey to push harder.BSS_AIJO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Hmmmmm"??? YGBFSM!! The original beetle might have been "sweet" when viewed through nostaligiac glasses ( heck, life was good when our family and friends owned them in the more carefree of days ) but even by the standards of the 70's ( leaving power out of it...just as well ) I don't recall a worse handling, tippy feeling plowing pig handler that I've ever driven. Slow steering, even worse shifter, mushy clutch, bad brakes ( and I don't mean the annoying high-pitched squealing ) The later Super Beetles with radial tires were marginally better, and by then at least had better heating/defrosting. ( and I liked the Day-Glo flourescent yellow with multi-color stripes and styled steel wheels ) and of course they were good in snow. Fun to drive? Not!

I knew people that modified them, or turned them into off-road runabouts, and they went and handled better...or at least brought them to acceptable levels, but now we're not talking stock.

ElAurens
07-31-2007, 03:59 PM
The 1967 and earlier VW Type 1 (Beetle) with the swing axle rear suspension, and the original kingpin type front suspension was by far the best handling of the VW bugs. Add a set of radial tires and off you go. Trailing throttle oversteer was easily induced, which was tricky for n00bs, but great fun if you knew how to do it. BTW this is the same suspension setup (even some of the same pieces) as used on the Porsche 356.

The Stooper Beetle (Super Beetle), was the biggest POS ever sold by VW. Understeered like a pig, the early Bosch fuel injection set up was an unreliable trouble prone and expensive to fix nightmare, and it ate front suspension components like buttered popcorn at a movie.

My 1963 Type 1 was one of the best cars I've ever owned, and it's still running strong on only it's first engine rebuild. I wish I never would have sold it.

DrHerb
07-31-2007, 08:13 PM
Worst car ive ever owned - 1985 Jeep Wagoneer with the GM 2.8L v6, electrical problems galore, mind you it ran with a spun crank bearing for 2 years and finally siezed after 365 000 kilometers on it, scrapped it and landed 300$ for it only because the transfer case on it was still good.

My buddy still insists on driving his 84 AMC Eagle affectionately known as "Woody" due to the "wood" paneling on the car, the engine after a carb swap is good (bulletproof 4.0l inline 6), but theres maybe 2 bolts holding the entire body together and i sh1t bricks every time i enter that car.

My current ride is the BMW Bus, Metro, Walk, cant afford another car for now

Whylie_Post
08-01-2007, 10:00 AM
My mothers Saab95, its a moneypit on wheels we've never had such an unreliable car in the family and I've owned 2 classic minis, and a mates brand new Vauxhall Omega, that was like riding around on a soggy pudding, almost barfed over his shiny new leather seats

reisen52
08-01-2007, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
However I believe the Mustang sells for around $30,000 which is about £15,000 in the UK. For that money then I suppose its not a bad deal.However in the UK we really get stiffed on cars and pay way over the odds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a few quick points. The Mustang convertable you drove can be purchased retail for about $24,000USD. A stock GT coupe with leather interior, 300hp V8 Manual transmission for about $25,500USD This car off the dealers floor will do 5 second 0-60/ 13 second 1/4 at 102-103mph & run corners quite well.

What should really drive you nutz is when we had the Jaguar in England the exact same car could have been purchased in the US for the same number of dollars as it cost in pound sterling.

It was like they just took the gross number & swapped a $ sign for the Pound sig. You guys really take it in the neck with VAT.

han freak solo
08-01-2007, 08:16 PM
Oooooh....beetle stories.

My second car was a '68 beetle 1500cc bought beat to hell in 1982. (1500cc was the displacement for that year, right?)

Anyway, I rebuilt it with a 88mm jug kit pumping it up to 1680cc (I think), bigger clutch, 2-barrel carb, Scat pipe, etc. Top speed was a whole 91 mph at a touch over 4000 rpm in 4th. I was saving up for dual port heads to get more top end power, but that never came to be.

I tell ya what, though. That little swingarm job was a slider around turns when you shifted the weight just right. Dangerous at high speeds for sure. I lost control of the rear at 90 mph on the freeway from over control on my part, which put me in the hospital for 5 days with a re-sewn face and head. What do ya expect for a guy about to turn 18 back then?

*******. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

ddpairborne59
08-01-2007, 09:37 PM
May have been brought up already.
1971 Ford Pinto, bomb on wheels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcNeorjXMrE

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j217/dennis_p59/kboomdrawing.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j217/dennis_p59/197120Ford20Pinto_jpg.jpg

ddpairborne59
08-01-2007, 09:40 PM
Non self-sealing fuel tanks thats for sure.