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Lodovik
12-12-2005, 10:44 AM
Sims need more player flyable bombers, especially heavy bombers. Period.
Why, you ask? The answer is multi layered, but simple.

-Without bombers, simulators are but shallow depictations of historical air war. Endless dogfights between fighter aircraft get boring.

-Bombers enable more interesting scenarios, both off and on-line.

-Flying large bobers is interesting. If flying fighters is comparable to reading a Daniel Harms short story, flying a bomber is reading The War and Peace. It takes (even more) dedication and patience to learn to handle a heavy bomber than a fighter.

-There is nothing in the virtual sky that quite compares to learning to handle the many systems of a bomber one by one. First the pure challence of getting one off the runway, mastering the sluggish controls and landing the beast. Next learning to handle the engines with their many sub-systems. Then the navigation, possibly radar and primitive ECM, the defencive guns and the allmost occult intricasies of high level bombing itself.
It is a daunting task, both from the developers and players, but one well worth the effort. The prize is seeing the mighty aircraft beautifully rendered in the monitor and obeying every small command of the pilot.
I ask you, one and all: Would it not be great to see more detailed and flyable bombers in future flight sims?

Besides, the Other Company unfortunately beat Oleg to this... I know not what to do. I've loathed CFS, but now it's got B-17... Oh, the humanity! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

p1ngu666
12-12-2005, 11:45 AM
actully, fighter aircraft are secondary, reactionary aircraft, primary aircraft are bombers, recon, transport.

we have 3 bombers, plus tb3 which is so slow, and the gunsights dont work properly (similer on other bombers)

and people will roll out the range issue, as bombers cant possibly do shortrange ops, and then they hop into there longrange fighter todo short range ops http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

in terms of effective bombers, the mossie is the one. not only faster than the luftwaffe, it would need 1 position to mod, and another from new

Saunders1953
12-12-2005, 11:53 AM
Flying large bobers is interesting
Add an "o" and I would agree!

TC_Stele
12-12-2005, 11:59 AM
Seen threads like this a many, but they will always make me hope.

Try flying in a B-25 in a formation with B-17 AI in the game and for almost a few minutes you'll feel like you're flying B-17.

Saunders1953
12-12-2005, 12:06 PM
TC_Stele:

I agree, I do that alot. But fly with B24's--you fit in better! (And you aren't as noticable if you record the action.)

Kuna15
12-12-2005, 01:01 PM
Bombers are the reason why fighters exist. For the most part http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

No really they are vital part of any airwarfare...
So I gotta agree with original poster in large part.

However I am satisfied with what we have in game already (although I'll always cry for Kate or Devastator/Avenger, but only because they are carrier torpedo bombers).

My sorrow will be mostly cured once when I get into Mosquito cockpit... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bremspropeller
12-12-2005, 01:07 PM
LoL.

Fighters establish the air-superriority.

Without air-superriority one might bomb a country but one might not defeat it easily.

danjama
12-12-2005, 02:22 PM
I like what we have (B25, A20 etc), although flyable heavies would be nice.

I would back you just to be friendlie, but to be honest i dont even fly the afore mentioned enough to whine for heavies...

p1ngu666
12-12-2005, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
LoL.

Fighters establish the air-superriority.

Without air-superriority one might bomb a country but one might not defeat it easily.

lol

ok, HERES the point, your up in your 190, your cruising about, and cruising, and theres nothing about... u get bored nothing todo.

without bombers or recon aircraft, theres nothing for a fighter todo.

if u do ground attack, then ofcourse, u are effectivly a bomber, note down anything or take pictures, your recon.

what fighters do is intercept, or escort bombers, they also df each other but, thats mainly pointless.

LEXX_Luthor
12-12-2005, 05:10 PM
pingu ... wow !!

We need more 2 engine tactical bombers. 4 engine strategic heavy bombers don't fit in this sim, or any of the FB maps. However, TB-3 is a tactical bomber by WW2 standards, plus its just alot of fun especially when escorted by Biplanes and intercepted by more Biplanes. Aussom!

p1ngu666
12-12-2005, 07:08 PM
tb3, actully has huge range i think, interwar russia had a potent stragic bomber fleet with the tb3.

thing is, for us fliers, its so slow, that we would want short range missions.

the fact is, a glassnose mossie, with its 4000lb cookie, plus optional wing bombs (500lb each) or with 4/6 500lb bombs internal, would provide the best level bomber
cont later http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
12-12-2005, 07:45 PM
Bombers are the shiznitzle!! I love em, give me more of em, and bigger bombs, and stuff like that!!

TB-3 is a fantastic machine!! You should try taking a bunch of TB-3 4M-17s up in formation to 3000m and level bombing with them 4x1000kg bombs!! That is fun!! Especially at night with fighters trying to hunt you down!!

p1ngu666
12-12-2005, 07:59 PM
they given the tb3 trim yet? last time i couldnt line up tb3 well at all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
12-12-2005, 08:03 PM
Well, what I find must be done is in order to trim the thing you have to turn off the level stabilizer, trim it out, and when you're on target, hit the level stabilizer again. A bit annoying, but it works with practice.

p1ngu666
12-12-2005, 08:21 PM
oks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Saunders1953
12-12-2005, 09:59 PM
TB3--You can fly that thing?!?! I guess I wasn't paying much attention to the list of flyables! I always thought it looked like the way they drew airplanes in Rocky and Bullwinkle and I always get laughing so hard when I watch one taxi/fly I just can't take it seriously.

Tully__
12-12-2005, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
Bombers are the reason why fighters exist. For the most part http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
At least in the early part of WW-I, it was preventing the activities of recon/observation aircraft that drove the developement of fighters.

Bremspropeller
12-14-2005, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
lol

ok, HERES the point, your up in your 190, your cruising about, and cruising, and theres nothing about... u get bored nothing todo.

without bombers or recon aircraft, theres nothing for a fighter todo.

if u do ground attack, then ofcourse, u are effectivly a bomber, note down anything or take pictures, your recon.

what fighters do is intercept, or escort bombers, they also df each other but, thats mainly pointless.

Without aerial superriority, your fellow comrades on the ground can't operate properly.
That'swhy a solid superriority in the air is needed: the enemy can't disturb your ground-actions.

A bomber might support the ground units, but it's going to get schnizzeled if it runs into fighter opposition.

If your own fighters have cleared the aiirspace BEFORE your bomber-raid is taking place, there's not much to worry about for your bomber-crews - with the possible exception of heavy AAA opposition.


A fighter won't win a war, that's right, but without fighters it's much much harder.


BTW: a fighter-bomber's not technically a bomber (if it was, nobody woud have called it "FIGHTER-bomber").
A JaBo CAN defend itself (even when it has to jettison it's offensive ordnance). Therefore it can participate in the fight about aerial superriority.

xTHRUDx
12-14-2005, 01:01 PM
I think they are cool too and this is how we use them in IL-2:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8061079683

SnapdLikeAMutha
12-14-2005, 01:29 PM
The game lends itself more to light/medium tactical bombers than heavy strategic stuff - who's got the patience for a 5 hour raid to Germany and back, or a twelve hour maritime patrol? I know I haven't.

But hopping across the Channel to bomb coastal fortifications prior to Overlord, in an A-20, shepherded by swarms of Spitfires and harassed by 109 and 190 - well, just call me daddy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
12-14-2005, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
lol

ok, HERES the point, your up in your 190, your cruising about, and cruising, and theres nothing about... u get bored nothing todo.

without bombers or recon aircraft, theres nothing for a fighter todo.

if u do ground attack, then ofcourse, u are effectivly a bomber, note down anything or take pictures, your recon.

what fighters do is intercept, or escort bombers, they also df each other but, thats mainly pointless.

Without aerial superriority, your fellow comrades on the ground can't operate properly.
That'swhy a solid superriority in the air is needed: the enemy can't disturb your ground-actions.

A bomber might support the ground units, but it's going to get schnizzeled if it runs into fighter opposition.

If your own fighters have cleared the aiirspace BEFORE your bomber-raid is taking place, there's not much to worry about for your bomber-crews - with the possible exception of heavy AAA opposition.


A fighter won't win a war, that's right, but without fighters it's much much harder.


BTW: a fighter-bomber's not technically a bomber (if it was, nobody woud have called it "FIGHTER-bomber").
A JaBo CAN defend itself (even when it has to jettison it's offensive ordnance). Therefore it can participate in the fight about aerial superriority. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

u can have all the aerial superriority u want, but if your not actully doing anything to pottering about in your hero dogfighter plane, then, its pretty pointless http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

btw, a fighter bomber is acting in the bomber role, its merly contructed differently, and doesnt have a bombsight. can divebomb tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

bombers can defend themselves, arguably better than jabo's who would almost certainly drop there bombs to df effectivly

Airmail109
12-14-2005, 02:53 PM
Whole point of fighter bombers is so you can get in low and fast, hit the target then fight your way back out. Instead of having to fight your way in and back out again as you would in a bomber P1ngu. It is best if both have some form of escort though!

p1ngu666
12-14-2005, 09:51 PM
fighter bomber with bomb, will almost certainly have to drop it to df. its ok for low proity targets tho..

ultimate speedy prop jabo is mossie, tho i think the 262 might well have some advantages for us fliers

Air_Bomber
12-15-2005, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by SnapdLikeAMutha:
The game lends itself more to light/medium tactical bombers than heavy strategic stuff - who's got the patience for a 5 hour raid to Germany and back, or a twelve hour maritime patrol? I know I haven't.

But hopping across the Channel to bomb coastal fortifications prior to Overlord, in an A-20, shepherded by swarms of Spitfires and harassed by 109 and 190 - well, just call me daddy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sure, it's more practical to have light and medium bombers to bomb inland targets on the Carentan Peninsula, but there are some of us (many of us?) who are happy with overkill...flying a Lancaster to bomb the Atlantic wall or some tanks in a flooded field. I just want to fly a heavy bomber. I don't care how far it is... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bremspropeller
12-15-2005, 10:06 AM
I never said I was a fighter-only guy ?

I'm just trying to make clear that your bomber-force will be screwed without fighters.

Look at the Bomber Command - they were butchered by AAA and night-fighters.

Wonder why ? They didn't have the aerial superriority like the Yanks had during daytime.