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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:50 PM
Is it just me? Or is this thing annoying? It sounds like a uboat ready to dive after the aaaaallllllaaaarrrrrmmmmm!!!! Does anybody know if it will be fixed?

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:50 PM
Is it just me? Or is this thing annoying? It sounds like a uboat ready to dive after the aaaaallllllaaaarrrrrmmmmm!!!! Does anybody know if it will be fixed?

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:53 PM
It's to warn you that flaps are down without your gear being down as well.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:55 PM
I know. But is so loud. In IL2 it was great. barely audible

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:57 PM
only last for like 20 seconds I think.

Why would you EVER use flaps in 109 anyhow?



Message Edited on 08/18/0305:57PM by sdreyer

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:58 PM
I would suggest never keeping those flaps down for over 20 seconds hehe.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:59 PM
sdreyer wrote:
- only last for like 20 seconds I think.
-
- Why would you EVER use flaps in 109 anyhow?
-
-
My god man. you gotta be kidding. I can turn with yaks with ease when using combat flaps. It gives you enough lift to get that shot in.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:01 PM
mike_espo wrote:

- My god man. you gotta be kidding. I can turn with
- yaks with ease when using combat flaps. It gives you
- enough lift to get that shot in.


Really clever way to shoot Yaks/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:02 PM
Well theres your problem, don't TnB in a 109. Try BnZ and you'll be more succesful AND you wont have to deal with the alarm.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:06 PM
So don't look like it will be fixed?

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:10 PM
that's poor flying... flaps only slow you down and enable others to bring you down.

I don't really know for sure, but I've NEVER been able to turn with a Yak or anything like that (at least not before the patch) with the use of flaps. After one turn you won't have speed left to do anything.


mike_espo wrote:
- sdreyer wrote:
-- only last for like 20 seconds I think.
--
-- Why would you EVER use flaps in 109 anyhow?
--
--
- My god man. you gotta be kidding. I can turn with
- yaks with ease when using combat flaps. It gives you
- enough lift to get that shot in.
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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:12 PM
Your not doing it right. Practice. Use flaps judiciously. It WORKS. Trust me.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:14 PM
I'll stick with my tried and true BnZ tactics. You can become almost invicible if you do it right.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:14 PM
What if the Yak applies flaps too,huh?

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:16 PM
Prove it! give me a online track please. In a 109 that is, I'm sure it can work with other fighters and maybe the 109-G2 after the patch.

About the alarm I don't find it that annoying any longer. When I first started playing though I thought it was an alarm for "you're doing something wrong" so that was rather confusing but I don't even notice it anymore.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:21 PM
From what I've read that Warning horn should only sound if you are using idle throttle with flaps. Sometimes in campaigns AI use flaps and that's the only to follw is to use them yourself. Verry annoying horn in this case.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:23 PM
You might want to bring this up in the Oleg RR then. Nothing like a little more realism.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:32 PM
Well I was a flap pusher in the old IL-2 but as soon as FB I had to stop my addiction, but as it is now with 1.1b I just refuse to play the flaps may help turning but with my K-4 it helps so little.... it hinders.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:40 PM
mike_espo wrote:
- Does anybody know if it will be fixed?

Forgotten Battles is a simulation of the air war in the East in WWII. It is not a game custom designed to your personal preferences. Removing the warning horn from the 109 would not be 'fixing' it, it would be breaking it.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:45 PM
I say "Ha!" to all you disbelievers and must agree with the topic starter, I've easily been able to stay on an La-7's tail with a Bf-109G6/AS in a suspended turn and I've been able to down him. Online. Learn to correctly fly a Bf-109 and you can turn with the Russian planes, believe me.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:49 PM
If you learn to correctly fly the 109 then you would be BnZing. Read any historical document on how to fly the 109 and you will see how they did it and how much success they had with this tactic. Now I'm not saying "hey you gotta do it this way or else" because thats not what this game is about, it's all about fun. I'm just saying this is how they did it during WWII.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:59 PM
ucanfly wrote:
- From what I've read that Warning horn should only
- sound if you are using idle throttle with flaps.
- Sometimes in campaigns AI use flaps and that's the
- only to follw is to use them yourself. Verry
- annoying horn in this case.
-
-

Quite right, it only sounded (in RL) if the throttle was below a certain setting. It is a warning that you're about to land with the gear up, not a flap warning per se, because it goes off when you're in the landing configuration (low power, flap down) but still have the gear up. It should not sound after take-off when you raise the undercarriage, with full power on.

I thought they would fix this in the patch. I've only just got the patch, but I guess it wasn't fixed then.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:02 PM
Shifty, i disagree. Sure the 109 is a bnz plane, thats not to say you cant turn with it. Experienced pilots like K√¬∂ysti Karhila (finnish ace) knew that you have to adapt to the situation, not fly by the book. Heres an excerpt from an interview with him on virtualpilots.fi:

"
Can you remember anything about the two Mustangs that you bagged?

I got both in a turning battle, out-turning them. We did several times 360 degrees until he became nervous, then pulled a little too much. His plane "warned", the pilot had to give way a little and I was able to get deflection. When I got to shoot at the other one, the entire left side was ripped off.

So you did several full circles, you must have flown near stalling speed. Did you fly with "the seat of your pants" or kept eye on the dials? What was the optimum speed in such a situation, it was level flight?

It was level flight and flying by "the seat of your pants". What should I say, I should say I was doing 250kmh and the Mustang must have more than 300kmh. That is why I was able to hang on but did not get the deflection.

And you was flying a three cannon plane?

Yes, but I did fly another one as mine was under maintenance. It was the experience that counted. Experience helped to decide when you had tried different things.

In which altitude did these Mustang dogfights take place?

It must have been about 2000m."

full story here:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-KyostiKarhilaCoffee.html

Now...before u argue the planes he shot down were no mustangs i dont care it may have been mistaken identity or not. The point is he was in a 109 with wingcannons and went into a turnfight with russian planes. He certainly wasnt flying by the book, but he won and survived thats what matters /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:05 PM
Red_Storm wrote:
- I say "Ha!" to all you disbelievers and must agree
- with the topic starter, I've easily been able to
- stay on an La-7's tail with a Bf-109G6/AS in a
- suspended turn and I've been able to down him.
- Online. Learn to correctly fly a Bf-109 and you can
- turn with the Russian planes, believe me.



Try an online war and eventually you`ll get 1:1 mission/KIA ratio.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:05 PM
I agree with that Olli, flaying by the book all the time is a very bad thing to do. I manage to get myself into turn fights sometimes in the 109. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that the prefered method was to BnZ becuase it was usually safer.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:47 PM
AeroBob wrote:
-Forgotten Battles is a simulation of the air war in
- the East in WWII. It is not a game custom designed
- to your personal preferences. Removing the warning
- horn from the 109 would not be 'fixing' it, it would
- be breaking it.
-
-
Im sure it RL it was not that loud. Relax!!Lose the attitude.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 10:10 PM
AeroBob wrote:

-
- Forgotten Battles is a simulation of the air war in
- the East in WWII. It is not a game custom designed
- to your personal preferences. Removing the warning
- horn from the 109 would not be 'fixing' it, it would
- be breaking it.
-
-


Good god, a sensible post!

You sir, are a nugget of gold amongst a sea of turds.

Well done.


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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 10:51 PM
AeroBob wrote:
-
- mike_espo wrote:
-- Does anybody know if it will be fixed?
-
- Forgotten Battles is a simulation of the air war in
- the East in WWII. It is not a game custom designed
- to your personal preferences. Removing the warning
- horn from the 109 would not be 'fixing' it, it would
- be breaking it.
-
-

Actualy it wouldn't.
That horn should be heard only if you start lowering the flaps, [b]without having the gear locked. And it should be heard only if the engine is IDLE.

The horn shoulnd't be removed, just applied under these conditions.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 11:27 PM
sdreyer wrote:
-
- that's poor flying... flaps only slow you down and
- enable others to bring you down.
-


All the great experten used flaps in airial combat.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 11:39 PM
CGA_TEXAS wrote:
-
- Good god, a sensible post!
-
- You sir, are a nugget of gold amongst a sea of
- turds.
-
- Well done.

Thank you. Although as Von Zero has just demonstrated, I am also wrong. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Same thing applies, though - it should be like it was in real life, not how one person wants it to be.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 11:45 PM
AeroBob wrote:
Thank you. Although as Von Zero has just
- demonstrated, I am also wrong. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Hey man I just posted what the BF109 Manual said.


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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 02:34 AM
You realism folks seem to ignore the fact that custom mods are/were made all the time.

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 03:18 AM
GreySaber14 wrote:
- You realism folks seem to ignore the fact that
- custom mods are/were made all the time.
-
-

Isn't that the beauty of FB?
The most realistic game till teh date?

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 03:55 AM
Dreyer .... i turn fight the Bf 109 all the time .... it will stick with the LA-7 in a turn
im taliking about the later G & K4 BFs

flaps help you a lot

BnZ will keep you alive for longer & it will also keep you away from the action ......

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 04:18 AM
the 109 can do a turn fight just as well as any other plane (in the right hands that is) but the alarm does get annoying and in certin situations you have to use flaps then it really gets annoying, but the truth is it was there

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 06:24 AM
Its a little too loud.



Message Edited on 08/19/0305:25AM by lazio5

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 08:28 AM
I've found that most 109:ers on online servers match speed and TnB with VVS airplanes, it's actually so common that I would imagine it's a successful method.

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 10:41 AM
Bullsh1t! Badsight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Give me a ONLINE track instead of all this BS (or we can just go at it 1on1, me in th LA7), flaps might enable you to turn 180 degree's with an LA but afterwards you've run out of speed.

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 02:21 PM
is there a way by adjusting the sound settings to lower the volume. which volume should be lowered? Master or object?

thanks

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 06:10 PM
If you use your flaps to turn with the La-7, then you sacrifice your speed. If the La-7 pilot had half a brain he would climb or extend and catch you without any energy or speed.

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