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SeaFireLIV
02-09-2008, 01:45 PM
I tell you CO OPs can be a pointless pain online sometimes.

No one wants lead position, so I take it. I check the map, know exactly where to go. I even pipe up with a quick appraisal "We`re on escort, P39s, we`ll go ahead". As usual no response, even though I see everyone`s filled the aircraft behind me.

I take off, fly to the patrol point. I notice no one`s bothered to follow the flight lead, all going their own merry way.

I bump into 4 190s who DO follow their leader. I get shot down. No friendlies anywhere... probably still pulling their finger out their rear ends.

If you`re not with a Squad, you`re better off with AI offline. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Manu-6S
02-09-2008, 02:00 PM
It's well known that blue pilots usually are better team-workers. You need teamwork to win against the turn-turn things... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
02-09-2008, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I tell you CO OPs can be a pointless pain online sometimes.

No one wants lead position, so I take it. I check the map, know exactly where to go. I even pipe up with a quick appraisal "We`re on escort, P39s, we`ll go ahead". As usual no response, even though I see everyone`s filled the aircraft behind me.

I take off, fly to the patrol point. I notice no one`s bothered to follow the flight lead, all going their own merry way.

I bump into 4 190s who DO follow their leader. I get shot down. No friendlies anywhere... probably still pulling their finger out their rear ends.

If you`re not with a Squad, you`re better off with AI offline. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I know your pain. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

rnzoli
02-09-2008, 02:17 PM
This is why I sometimes HATE CO OPs
You would be more correct to hate your flight members http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
02-09-2008, 02:30 PM
After I`ve had a good flight with my Squad, I think I`d like more, so I have a go on online co ops, but without a squad, you`re far better off offline with AI that actually tries to be part of the objective. You actually get a few missions done and feel you`ve had a good go.

I dunno how people can so love online when 50% of the time it`s a pointless get nowhere.

What`s better, `pilots` who don`t follow the mission, cos they all want to be John Wayne or Rambo or AI that actually fights the war with you?

Bah, if I wasn`t a dedicated Allied flyer who doesn`t just take sides for the most uber plane I`d have gone Axis by now and stayed there. Blue certainly know to fly with discipline, even if they don`t know you.

LEBillfish
02-09-2008, 02:31 PM
....and that is why coops are best flown in groups where you know everyone....Doesn't mean you have to fly on the same side, yet filling coops with the right people paramount...

In all actuallity, that is exactly the building force of the 78th*Sentai. It is made up of JUST people we fly coops with online consistently, that show team play, playing by the rules, fair play, not gaming the game and most of all good sportsmanship. Not one person in the squadron was offered a slot who we had not flown with regularly first....

Yet in the end, as a squadron or all under seperate names, we'd still all be flying together just as we did before.

So pick your hosts well, as you'll often find it is the host that draws or wards off a particular type of player....

Swivet
02-09-2008, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
....and that is why coops are best flown in groups where you know everyone....Doesn't mean you have to fly on the same side, yet filling coops with the right people paramount...


Amen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

VW-IceFire
02-09-2008, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I tell you CO OPs can be a pointless pain online sometimes.

No one wants lead position, so I take it. I check the map, know exactly where to go. I even pipe up with a quick appraisal "We`re on escort, P39s, we`ll go ahead". As usual no response, even though I see everyone`s filled the aircraft behind me.

I take off, fly to the patrol point. I notice no one`s bothered to follow the flight lead, all going their own merry way.

I bump into 4 190s who DO follow their leader. I get shot down. No friendlies anywhere... probably still pulling their finger out their rear ends.

If you`re not with a Squad, you`re better off with AI offline. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
This happens to me all the time...I ended up not flying COOPs much at all either.

It didn't used to be like this but the community is bigger and most of the pilots aren't interested in flying tactical formations anymore.

Xiolablu3
02-09-2008, 03:30 PM
It all comes down to the company you are playing with...There is great teamwork to be found on both sides, as long as you are with a group of mature, nice people as with the Ukded regular crowd. They dont fly for 'skillz' but for fun and immersion.

Try joining Ukdedicated forums and flying with these guys, you will have a far better time...Try their dedicated missions :-


http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/forumdisplay.php?f=77


http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/forumdisplay.php?f=36

http://www.battle-fields.com/

I'm sure Icefire, JTD and many others will agree, that its surely one of the best IL2 communities on the net.

Bearcat99
02-09-2008, 04:45 PM
It isnt coops it is the people you fly with. I find that by fostering team play you can get it... it may not be in that particular mission but eventually people will get it..

tjaika1910
02-09-2008, 05:12 PM
I have only flown coops with the squad. Great fun, although one time we missed our target, never saw a enemy aircraft on the vast Finland map, and flew the 109 empty (100% no droptank) 90 min or so later landing on the home base.

LOL, we thought we must look extremely stupid spending a friday night on such an event. But alas, probably more realistic than most IL2 missions...

PhantomKira
02-09-2008, 08:41 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Amen to that!

Although I have noticed a number of the American Pacific Campain missions (F4F-3) where I haven't bumped into the enemy despite calls for help from engaged aircraft. Looking at the after-action map, it all happened a ways away from my position. Boring flight, but a really nice change from the usual "you're absolutely 100% guaranteed to run into the enemy today!" stuff.