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Mysticpuma2003
06-20-2007, 09:26 AM
http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dell/blackburn_skua.htm

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/BLA...0B-24%20SKUA%20I.htm (http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/BLACKBURN%20B-24%20SKUA%20I.htm)

and some image links:

http://images.google.co.uk/images?svnum=10&hl=en&gbv=2&...a&btnG=Search+Images (http://images.google.co.uk/images?svnum=10&hl=en&gbv=2&q=Blackburn+skua&btnG=Search+Images)

I wonder, as someone has asked me about a possible project.......

Cheers, MP.

JG53Frankyboy
06-20-2007, 09:32 AM
as flyable the SBD
as AI the Su-2

JG52Uther
06-20-2007, 09:34 AM
Flyable? I would guess the SBD is about the closest we have.The Skua is a pretty 'unique' plane though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Divine-Wind
06-20-2007, 10:13 AM
Someone did a B5N2 hack a while ago on M4T...

leitmotiv
06-20-2007, 10:27 AM
Whew. Not really. An SBD was a heavily armed and armored bruiser. The Skua was lightly armed (four .303 ahead, one K gun aft) and unarmored. The Su-2 was a tank in comparison. SBD and Su-2 carried far more ordnance (Skua could only heft one 500 lb bomb). Best leave it 'til BOB.

Mysticpuma2003
06-20-2007, 11:39 AM
Do you think it will be in BoB?

Divine-Wind
06-20-2007, 11:41 AM
Skua won teh BoB in 2 weeks.

leitmotiv
06-20-2007, 05:44 PM
I'm sure somebody will mod it since BOB will allow outside designs for offline. There is a marvelous Skua for FS9 which I use.

Divine-Wind
06-20-2007, 08:36 PM
Offline mods!? Wtf got track!

Copperhead310th
06-20-2007, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Offline mods!? Wtf got track!

lol NO. he means for SoW: Battle of Brittian. the new sim that's comming. not in the current sim.
Oleg has gone on record stateing that most of everything in SoW will be able to be modded. the only exception is Online play. That will not be allowed to be monkey around with.

leitmotiv
06-20-2007, 11:02 PM
(Would help if those participating in threads would read the threads!)

Actually there is one IL-2 airplane which is similar to the Skua in technical characteristics and capability but did not look like it---the D3A1 "Val." At least you would not be creating a monster like you would be doing if you used an SBD or Su-2.

Mysticpuma2003
06-21-2007, 12:31 AM
The plane needs to be visually more accurate.

Check this out:


http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=2472

and Zorin is also working on a project (can't find the link though but here's an image)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5585/skuana2.jpg

Cheers, MP.

leitmotiv
06-21-2007, 12:56 AM
Unfortunately, that will be an uber-Skua. The Skua was a lightweight. The Su-2 was a turreted heavy-lifter with armor. Also, the Skua was agile and doubled as a fighter (why it had four .303s in the wings). Why fantasy substitutions really don't work.

alert_1
06-21-2007, 04:56 AM
Su 2 (variant we have in the sim) had 4x MGSkhas in wings and one 7.62mm Skhlas Mg in turret..and I doubt that Su2 with M88 engine was "heavily" armoured either..and it could carry only about 400kg bombs...

leitmotiv
06-21-2007, 05:13 AM
Which is "only" about double what the Skua could carry (a single 500 lb bomb), and the Skua was completely unarmored, light, and the Su-2 was one of the most survivable ground attack aircraft of the war. No comparison. Another BIG difference: the Skua was a dive bomber with dive brakes, and a bomb crutch under its belly like the Ju 87.

mynameisroland
06-21-2007, 06:14 AM
leitmotiv are you sure the Skua was as fragile as you say it is? It was all metal, a carrier fighter/divebomber, had a turreted fighter version, was stressed to divebomb and pull out ect I think that the Skua would prove to be sturdier than most similar sized aircraft - just a hunch baseds on its role mind.

Maybe the 500lb load limit was based more on the restricted AP bomb sizes available for the FAA in 1939/40 ? Larger GP bombs would not have been used as its primary task was to penetrate warships decks, and wasnt there a plan to make it in to a torpedo/fighter bomber?

leitmotiv
06-21-2007, 06:22 AM
You are thinking of the Fairey Barracuda! No, the 500 pounder was its maximum load. It was never intended to carry a torpedo, and was phased out in 1941 in favor of the Fulmar. The Skua was stressed for dive bombing but it was not armored like the Su-2. It had two unprotected fuel tanks right behind the pilot which must have been sobering. Here is a website devoted to the Skua:

http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dell/blackburn_skua.htm

leitmotiv
06-21-2007, 06:35 AM
Here is an excellent cutaway drawing of the Skua---as you can see, there is no armor, and those two fuel tanks behind the pilot were just sheet metal without even sealing (I am building the 1:48 scale Special Hobby Skua and reading Peter Smith's Skua history right now).

http://home.online.no/~oela/Skua%20snitt.jpg (http://home.online.no/%7Eoela/Skua%20snitt.jpg)

ploughman
06-21-2007, 06:41 AM
Looking at yon Skua cutaway mine eyes were drawn to the 'Spin Parachute Storage' bin at the butt end of the tail section. A novel safety feature.

leitmotiv
06-21-2007, 07:49 AM
Ye Olde British Safety First. Some bureaucratic nit thought pilotage was insufficient and that "let's be doubly sure with a fangled parachute recovery system." If I recall correctly, it was removed promptly in-service.

mynameisroland
06-21-2007, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
You are thinking of the Fairey Barracuda! No, the 500 pounder was its maximum load. It was never intended to carry a torpedo, and was phased out in 1941 in favor of the Fulmar. The Skua was stressed for dive bombing but it was not armored like the Su-2. It had two unprotected fuel tanks right behind the pilot which must have been sobering. Here is a website devoted to the Skua:

http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dell/blackburn_skua.htm

No im not the Barracuda was a very obviously different beast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Im sure I have seen a pic of the Skua with a torp hanging beneath it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif As for no self sealing tanks and armour ect - not many planes did carry those luxuries in 39/early 40. The fuel tank location is no less dangerous than in many planes of the type - hey at least you have a R/O to absorb any bullets !

As for the cutaway, seen it before and love it. There is a book which has a compliation of all the Aeroplane and Flypast cutaways from the 40,s it has dozens of great drawings including SabreII, P38, Fw 190 ect just brilliant stuff

leitmotiv
06-21-2007, 08:35 AM
Refer to Smith's excellent history of the Skua, no Skua ever hoisted a torpedo, nor was it designed to hoist a torpedo. It was designed to be a dive bomber/fighter. The Swordfish was the fleet spotter/torpedo/recon plane.