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09-12-2009, 04:28 PM
Continued from http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...83/m/2391064387/p/20 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2391064387/p/20)

09-12-2009, 04:28 PM
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09-12-2009, 04:36 PM
Thanks BG.

As I was asked to provide them at the beginning of each thread here they are.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Rules

1. When a person answers a question and it is confirmed as correct by the poster of the
question, they then have the floor and are expected to ask the next question.

(You are only allowed to ask a question if the above rule has been adhered to.)

2. If a question isn't asked within 24 hours then it will be assumed that the person
supposed to ask the question has a problem, then the floor will be made open for anyone to
ask the next question to allow the quiz to continue. The same applies if an answer is given and confirmation is not forthcoming within 24 hours

3. Question are to be related to World War II air warfare.

4. If a multiple part question is asked, only one point will be awarded for the answer.


1. To allow fluid running of the quiz, if you answer a question correctly but cannot post
a new question or won't be able to check for answers to your new question, please ask
someone else to post the next question. This doesn't mean you can't go to work or bed but
please be considerate when possible.

2. Please don't abuse the above guideline by just answering questions and then passing it
to someone else all the time, instead of asking one yourself (see rule 1).

3. If you have posted a question and it becomes obvious that nobody knows the answer, it is customary to offer a hint or clue.

4. When posting picture questions, it is recommended that you do not direct link. Use
something like 'Photobucket' to host your pictures (most people can see pictures linked
from there, whereas some other sites are not visible globally) and don't forget to disguise the name of the picture </span>

Be back with the stats shortly.

09-12-2009, 04:47 PM
Thanks Dance and also thanks to blairgowrie.

Aircraft ID please.


Been told to wrap it up wifely shorthand for http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

So if you are positive you have the answer fire ahead with the next question. It'll be 9 -10 hours before I can get on again.

Nightall http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

09-12-2009, 05:01 PM

Time for PART NINE, an intermission and some stats updates, up to and including Rock_Kettler's last answer.

WWII Quiz, air related (PART ONE)
Thread OP: F19_Orheim
Thread start: Fri April 25 2008
Thread closed: Sun February 15 2009 (Too Big)
Questions asked: 470 (some not correctly answered)
Replies: 3391
Views: 90286
Pages: 170

***Mister Quiz 2008 - JSG72***

WWII Quiz, air related (PART TWO)
Thread start: Sun February 15 2009
Thread closed: Sat April 04 2009 (Too Big)
Questions asked: 151 (some not correctly answered)
Replies: 832
Views: 16260
Pages: 42

WWII Quiz, air related (PART THREE)
Thread start: Sat April 04 2009
Thread closed: Wed May 13 2009 (Too Big)
Questions asked: 124 (some not correctly answered)
Replies: 641
Views: 15888
Pages: 33

WWII Quiz, air related (PART FOUR)
Thread start: Wed May 13 2009
Thread Closed: Wed June 03 2009 14:58 (Too Big Apparently?)
Questions asked: 70 (some not asked or answered correctly)
Replies: 395
Views: 8372
Pages: 20

WWII Quiz, air related (PART FIVE)
Thread start: Wed June 03 2009 15:01
Thread Closed: Sun June 28 2009 15:42
Questions asked: 81 (some not asked or answered correctly)
Replies: 404
Pages: 21

WWII Quiz, air related (PART SIX)
Thread start: Sun June 28 2009 15:44
Thread Closed: Tue July 21 2009 16:33 (Ask Silverfish)
Questions asked: 80 (some not answered correctly)
Replies: 382
Pages: 20

WWII Quiz, air related (PART SEVEN)
Thread start: Tue July 21 2009 15:34
Thread Closed: Fri August 21 2009 19:00 (Too Big)
Questions asked: 106
Replies: 603
Pages: 31

WWII Quiz, air related (PART EIGHT)
Thread start: Fri August 21 2009 18:59
Thread Closed: Sat September 12 2009 15:26 (Too Big)
Questions asked: 65
Replies: 394
Pages: 20

WWII Quiz, air related (PART NINE)
Thread start: Sat September 12 2009 15:28

Top three scorers since last intermission for the 2009 Quiz:
Dance +19
VF17_Jolly +10
Waldo.Pepper +8

Scoreboard 2009:
Dance 241p
Rock_Kettler 66p
Uufflakke 63p
TinyTim 40p
VF-17_Jolly 37p
The_Stealth_Owl 25p
b2spirita 22p
Jungmann 22p
JSG72 17p
mhuxt 17p
Flight_boy1990 14p
RedToo 14p
Waldo.Pepper 14p
coturnix 11p
Mr_Zooly 11p
robtek1957 11p
Aaron_GT 10p
Heliopause 9p
Sillius_Sodus 9p
Woke_Up_Dead 9p
arthursmedley 6p
Jure_502 6p
MB_Avro_UK 6p
DrHerb 5p
na85 5p
Sharpe26 5p
jamesblonde1979 4p
koivis 4p
Romanator21 4p
BillSwagger 3p
Toten_Waffe 3p
ash1976 2p
F19_Orheim 2p
Finnish_Mik 2p
JtD 2p
stathem 2p
Trefle 2p
Adriansikorsky 1p
berg417448 1p
BrewsterPilot 1p
general_kalle 1P
harryklein66 1p
koivis 1p
LLv26_Jumpru 1p
OD_ 1p
Phas3e 1p
PB0_shadow 1p
Vanderstok 1p
whiteladder 1p

09-13-2009, 08:24 AM
I'm amazed that it has lasted this long.
Time for a clue:
The designer was better known for his gliders than powered aircraft.

09-13-2009, 09:10 AM
Clue No 2.
The designer's son became world famous in a more cubic capacity.

09-13-2009, 11:34 AM
Rubik R-14 Pinty?

09-13-2009, 12:44 PM
That's the one Dance Well done as per http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

You have the floor.

I was fascinated by the father/son connection.

09-13-2009, 01:17 PM
Thanks Rock, only got it due to your 'cubic' clue http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Another I.D., shouldn't be too hard. What's this?


09-13-2009, 02:22 PM
It's gotta be a Fokker T.VIII.....

09-13-2009, 02:28 PM
Of course Heliopause, should have known better than use a plane from The Netherlands with you around, although it seems just about everyone flew one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

09-13-2009, 02:35 PM
After the Dutch surrender some fokker ended up in Britain, being flown by 320 Sqn. Others where used by Germany flying from the Adriatic sea.

O.K. name the plane.

09-13-2009, 02:48 PM
Bell P-59 Aircomet

09-13-2009, 02:59 PM
Correct Jolly! It's a P-59B. (A-version didn't have this armament?)

Floor is yours.....

09-13-2009, 04:39 PM
Thank you Helipause http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif ,The YP-59 and subsequent marks had guns and i have seen pictures of A and B aircraft with and without armament I don't think there hard and fast rules on guns
The B model was fitted with uprated engines and bigger fuel capacity this made it slightly heavier

Whom is this


09-13-2009, 04:50 PM
Sir Sydney Camm.

09-13-2009, 05:00 PM
Yup sure is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Mr D is up

09-13-2009, 05:11 PM
Thanks Mr J.

Not sure if this one has been asked before, apologies if it has. Why is this 110 sporting those markings and why is in this undignified position?


09-13-2009, 05:12 PM
Target Practice?

09-13-2009, 05:14 PM
Nope sorry, and you also have to explain why it has those markings.

09-13-2009, 05:28 PM
A Swiss Me-110 used as an adhoc air to ground radar?

Or is it impounded?

sorry bed time getting an earfull http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

09-13-2009, 05:52 PM
Well I was hoping for a slightly fuller and exact explanation, but I suppose it's close enough, back to you Mr J.

"The photo shows Messerschmitt Bf 110 G-4 W.Nr. 5545 unit code 2Z+OP at the Duebendorf airfield in Switzerland during radar tests. Some time earlier, on March 15-16, 1944 Oberfeldwebel Helmut Treynogga and radio-operator Heinz Schwarz from 6./NJG6 departed from Echterdingen on board of Bf 110 G-4 2Z+OP. Their mission was to intercept an RAF bomber formation headed for Munich. The crew got lost and landed in Duebendorf, Switzerland and was taken into custody. The Bf 110 remained in Switzerland. However, the crew was returned to Germany about 5 weeks later. The Swiss tested the radar of the Bf 110 by pointing the Bf 110 upwards. Then a group of Swiss fighter planes flew overhead."

09-13-2009, 08:05 PM
What was the source for that image and text please Dance?

09-14-2009, 05:44 AM
http://battlegroundrelics.com/...-4-2zop-nightfighter (http://battlegroundrelics.com/album/messerschmitt-bf-110-g-4-2zop-nightfighter)

There you go Waldo.

09-14-2009, 11:24 AM
I knew the Swiss had Me109s

On 28 April 1944 the pilot of a German Me 110 G-4 nightfighter of NJG 5 (C9+EN) landed in Duebendorf/ Switzerland after having been caught and tracked by anti-aircraft searchlights.

The aircraft was undamaged and equipped with the latest and highly classified

FuG 220 'Lichtenstein' SN-2 radar. The Germans feared Allied intelligence operations and demanded the immediate return of this aircraft. The Swiss refused, which brought them to the edge of a military confrontation with the 'Third Reich'.

In the end the two countries agreed on a secret deal: The Swiss Army would blow up the Me 110 under German supervision on 18 May 1944 and Messerschmitt would sell twelve brand new Me 109 G-6 to the Swiss immediately after.

Another Me110?

What is this


09-14-2009, 11:32 AM
A different 110, the two of them are mentioned in this paper about the radar involved,

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2942...uG-220-aiborne-radar (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2942643/11-Lichtenstein-FuG-202-and-FuG-220-aiborne-radar)

the one I pictured is at the top of the page along with some of the story (though a different picture, taken just after it landed in Switzerland and not the one I used).

It has slightly different antenna to the one you referred to, which is also pictured.

09-14-2009, 11:35 AM
In answer to the question, B-25?

Edit: not a B-25, it's an A-26.

09-14-2009, 11:53 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif A-26 Invader somewhere in England 1944

09-14-2009, 12:25 PM
Thanks. What's this?


09-14-2009, 12:30 PM
Looks like a Northrop JB-1, which was ment to be a missile utilizing a flying wing concept. The version on the picture however seems to be a piloted glider for testing.

09-14-2009, 12:38 PM
Yep, it's a piloted 'Bat' glider http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"In 1944, Northrop test pilot Harry Crosby made the initial glider flights out of Muroc Dry Lake, using airplane tows to get airborne. Following the successful glider flights, the second model JB-1A was equipped with a pair of General Electric Type B1 turbojet engines replacing the pilot."

09-14-2009, 12:54 PM
Thanks Dance.


09-14-2009, 01:04 PM

09-14-2009, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Dance:
http://battlegroundrelics.com/...-4-2zop-nightfighter (http://battlegroundrelics.com/album/messerschmitt-bf-110-g-4-2zop-nightfighter)

There you go Waldo.

Gracias, I found it in rec.aviation.military and then they mention the battlegroundrelics.com site as well.

Expedient and wise testing method. Flying it could have jeopardized the machine. The British never tested their prizes like this. Clever.

09-14-2009, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:

Not a Ki-27. It had retractable landing gear.

09-14-2009, 03:18 PM
Although it looks unlike any I'm familiar with, due to the 'retactable undercarriage' remark I'll take a guess with Ki-43.

09-14-2009, 06:10 PM
Not an Oscar either. Not Japanese.

EDIT: Holy Cow, I screwed it up. No, it didn't have retractable landing gear, the undercarriage was fixed. Sorry about that http://www.dogmall.co.uk/smile/ashamed/ashamed0005.gif . An evolution of this aircraft, very similar in appearance and designation, however did indeed have a retractable landing gear.

09-15-2009, 06:58 AM
Another hint then: It's a biplane. Couple this with the previous hint, and you have an answer.

09-15-2009, 07:01 AM
Polikarpov I-15?

09-15-2009, 07:01 AM

If im right, please go ahead as im out.

09-15-2009, 07:06 AM
I must have pipped you by seconds there B2, my answer at the bottom of page 2 shows the identical time as your post. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

09-15-2009, 07:14 AM
Mind if I ask a question???

09-15-2009, 07:56 AM
We have to wait and see if B2 and I were right first, if you want to ask one then, fine by me.

09-15-2009, 08:00 AM
Sorry for butting in so fast lol, Ill keep an eye out on the thread

09-15-2009, 08:10 AM
Yeah, Dance and B2, it's an I-15, I-15bis or I-152 actually. One glass of wine to many yesterday made me confuse it with I-153, that's why the wrong hint.

Go ahead chaps!

09-15-2009, 08:41 AM
Hopefully Im not out of place.....

What popular mode/model of personal transportation can trace its powerplant back to leftover A.P.U's from WW2?

09-15-2009, 11:52 AM
Vespa scooter?

09-15-2009, 11:58 AM
Harley Davidson Motorbike (sorry don't know the models of by heart, but the one with a radial V-Twin)

09-15-2009, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:
Vespa scooter?

Jolly has got it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

09-15-2009, 01:01 PM
OMG...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif... Im so happy i want thank my family,my agent all my fans....... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


Seriously i thought statham was correct
All the apu ref i could find were V-twin too
Andover motor company

OH well cheers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

What USAAF unit does this relate too?


And why?

09-15-2009, 02:18 PM
Not sure if the picture directly relates to the unit in question or if it is just a hint.

Going to take it as a hint and say '1st Air Commando Group' as the image looks like a Royal Marine Commando dagger. Probably barking up entirely the wrong tree.

09-15-2009, 02:31 PM
1st Air Commando Group
No not them

Hint: This Knife and others like it (purchased and supplied in england) were used by the Pilots of this unit

09-15-2009, 03:13 PM
Issued to glider pilots of the 436th. troop carrier group?

09-15-2009, 03:36 PM
Sorry No

Fighter Pilots

09-15-2009, 04:42 PM
Looks like a Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife to me. Don't remember which unit adopted it.

But if US pilots became enamored with it in England I would think it would have to be Pursuit pilots with the 8th Air Force. But which unit? Don't remember.

09-16-2009, 01:51 PM
OK now this very obscure so I will give the answer and leave the floor open... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So during a mission one of the 356th FG P-51's had a slight problem when the dinghy inflated in the cockpit needless to say this caused extreme difficulty in flying after rumaging around in his survival kit a knife was found and the dinghy was dispatched.

This was apparently not an uncommen event
But in the 356th it became common practice to tape a secondary dagger to the control colomn where it was close to hand the sykes-fairbairn commando dagger was chosen.

09-16-2009, 05:30 PM
Pretty obscure but interesting nonetheless Mr J.

I see a question is needed to get things going again, although I will be off to bed within the hour.

What is this an example of exactly? I'll except either it's official designation or the more common generic name for this type of device. Not the 'whatsit' with the 'doodad' that did 'so and so' please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


09-16-2009, 06:29 PM
It is a PAC Parachute and Cable Rocket. Intended for use on Defensively Equipped Merchant Ships. I have a rather good article on the subject. PAC Type D Mark 1.

09-16-2009, 07:03 PM
It is indeed a PAC Rocket. I hadn't heard of a Type D, though I don't doubt you. The assemblies that I know of were officially known as the 'Apparatus Air Defence Type L', or 'Type J' (from German and Allied Secret Weapons of World War 2, I.V.Hogg and J.B.King).

The Type L was a 2in rocket launched to 1000ft, dispensing a 600ft cable with a parachute at either end and an explosive charge at one.

Type J used a drum on the ground / deck for the cable, launched to 2000ft. (Which is what I presumed my picture was of as I grabbed that off the net and the type wasn't specified, not having a working scanner to get the image which is of an 'L' in the book).

I have another source that says there was a Type K version, using a 3in rocket to bring a 1000ft cable as high as 19000ft, and a larger paracute to slow down it's descent, but I have no further info.

Over to you Waldo.

09-16-2009, 09:33 PM
Firstly here is the PAC article I mentioned for any interested parties.









And as word searchable pdf


And now the question.. which I hope is easy enough to solve yet interesting enough to be challenging and somewhat educational.

This object is a shell. Identify the weapon that fired it.


09-17-2009, 10:30 AM
Well it looks like a base-bleed or rocket assisted shell, though I am unsure of it's scale, so that's all I've got atm.

09-17-2009, 10:57 AM
It's a shell for the Japanese 40 mm Ho-301 cannon which used caseless ammunition. Used only in a few Ki-44 & Ki-45 I think. Nice rate of fire (475 rpm) but also very short range.

EDIT: In case I was right, I make the next question open to anyone, I'm going to sleep now and can't post till morning. See ya!

09-17-2009, 03:01 PM
Thanks very much for the consideration Koivis http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

At least somebody is paying attention to the guidelines, under the rules, page 1.

I know you're right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif We will have to wait for confirmation, however long it takes.

09-17-2009, 04:58 PM

Yes it is.


Open playing field lads.

09-18-2009, 12:38 PM
Ok I'll bite, once again, and will ask one to start things off again.

I.D. the plane.


09-19-2009, 03:45 AM

09-19-2009, 04:25 AM
No sorry Jure, not French.

09-19-2009, 04:47 AM
Brewster Buffalo?

09-19-2009, 05:09 AM
Nope sorry again, not American either.

09-19-2009, 11:19 AM
To be more specific, it's Japanese.

09-19-2009, 02:36 PM
Aichi D3A1 "Val"?

09-19-2009, 03:21 PM
No, it's a fighter.

09-19-2009, 05:24 PM
J2M Raiden?

09-20-2009, 04:10 AM
Not a J2M TT, ok this last clue should sell it. The company that made it is better known for float and sea planes, this isn't either.

09-20-2009, 05:22 AM
Kawanishi N1K1-J Shiden (Violet Lightning)

Allied codename George

09-20-2009, 05:44 AM
That's the one Rock, well a N1K2-J, but makes no odds, over to you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

09-20-2009, 05:49 AM
Thanks Dance couldn't have found it without the last clue - nice on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Something different what was it for and what's its Type name (to negate wild guesses!)


09-20-2009, 01:06 PM
The one guy appears to be peering into some sort of optical device, I though a camera at first but is it a bomb sight? Simulator for training bombardiers?

Edit: Trying to find a type name.

09-20-2009, 03:49 PM
Reckon that's good enough Dance, it could take a while to find the type name. A bit too obscure and I don't want it to drag on. Can't be sure when I'll be on next - Mother in hospital and visiting etc takes out a significant part of the day.

device is labelled as:
Synthetic Training Aids For Bombardiers: A-2 Bomb Trainer.

Over to you Dance

09-20-2009, 04:41 PM
Thanks RK, my best wishes to your mother for a speedy recovery.

Ok these images are clues to an allied codename, what was the codename and what was it for?



09-20-2009, 04:42 PM
Market Garden?

09-20-2009, 04:45 PM
And it was to secure the bridges.

09-20-2009, 04:46 PM
The operation plan's strategic context required the seizure of bridges across the Maas (Meuse River) and two arms of the Rhine (the Waal and the Lower Rhine) as well as several smaller canals and tributaries. Crossing the Lower Rhine would allow the Allies to outflank the Siegfried Line and encircle the Ruhr, Germany's industrial heartland. It made large-scale use of airborne forces whose tactical objectives were to secure a series of bridges over the main rivers of the German-occupied Netherlands and allow a rapid advance by armoured units into Northern Germany.

09-20-2009, 04:46 PM
Nope not that BG, the images are only clues to the codename, not the subject of the codename, if you get me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

09-21-2009, 12:19 AM
I had better get this one. The answer is Airborne Cigar. Also abbrev. as ABC.

Airborne Cigar (A.B.C.) – jamming transmitter carried by No. 101 Sqn Lancasters (and others)using 8th crew member to monitor and then jam German night fighters utilizing Lichtenstein radar.

There was also a corresponding Ground Cigar. And also the EXTREMELY impressive and massive TUBA Jammer.

FWIW I think BG should get it for intellectual GUTS - MOXIE - Sticktoitiveness - and persistence.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/book/th_abc.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/book/?action=view&current=abc.jpg)

09-21-2009, 03:45 AM
Correct Waldo, over to you.

09-21-2009, 12:51 PM
After his very first (air to air) combat in his after action report this pilot wrote -

"I claim 3 FW 190s DESTROYED and 2 ME 109s DESTROYED."

He became an ACE in under five minutes, a Commonwealth record. Furthermore, all five kills were confirmed by his cine camera.

Who is/was the pilot?

09-21-2009, 01:11 PM
D i c k Audet? damn auto censor

09-21-2009, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Dance:
D i c k Audet? damn auto censor

Fookin' censorship indeed.

Despite the efforts to protect the children from foul language, you are correct.

Details on the man, sadly he was killed before the end of hostilities.


09-21-2009, 02:24 PM
He said 'fookin, where is our censorship now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Of course D I C K is an extremely offensive word which anyone in their right mind would avoid using in front of their children, even if it might be their name.

What is this?


09-21-2009, 02:39 PM
Should I answer or leave it open for somebody else?

09-21-2009, 02:42 PM
Entirely up to you my dear fellow, I am trying to encourage a wider audience, though I fear it is shrinking.

09-21-2009, 10:37 PM
Time to move it along me thinks.

This one was kind of tight up my alley. (Closely related anyway.)

Basically the Remote Contactor was an addition part of the radio installation on most British Aircraft, which aided in IFF, and also could be used to help guide a pilot unsure of his coordinates back to a flying field, when used in conjunction with ground receiving stations. Who could triangulate on the errant aircraft's position and guide it back safely.

The common radio in use was the TRD9 set. The TR9D was basically a single channel transceiver, but could also transmit on a second crystal controlled channel called the Special Channel. The Special Channel was controlled by the Remote Contactor, mounted (on some aircraft for example) on the right hand side of the cockpit. The Remote Contactor was controlled in turn by a temperature-stabilised clockwork mechanism, the Master Contactor, which was housed in a wooden box lined with Sorbo rubber, usually mounted in a crate.


A Master Contactor was a clockwork device used in aircraft such as the Spitfire to send electrical pulses to a Remote Contactor that then controlled a piece of equipment to operate it for 14 seconds in each minute, if required.

A common use was for the Pipsqueak system that switched on the aircraft's transmitter for identification purposes. This preceeded IFF working via a radar principle/channel.

There could be up to 4 Remote Contactors in the aircraft - the operating segments were offset so that one 14-second operating period was separated by 1 second from a second operating period, and so on.

If you want to buy the instrument as installed in a Spitfire - it will run you £80 from here -

http://www.spitfirespares.com/.../Pages/controls.html (http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/controls.html)

I think I got all that right. It is complex stuff to be sure and easy to get the details wrong.

09-22-2009, 04:57 AM
That's it Waldo, think you covered everything.

09-22-2009, 06:21 AM
Continuing with the Canadian content. Who was the first Canadian to pilot a Jet during the war?

09-22-2009, 10:55 AM
Janusz Zurakowski was a test pilot on the Meteor in 1945. But, he didn't emigrate to Canada until 1952 so not sure that counts as the first Canadian to fly a jet aircraft.

09-22-2009, 11:50 AM
Not the man I an looking for. 'My' guy was an active pilot flying jet aircraft in 1944. He was also a Canadian IN 1944. (It is not some trick question or anything like that.)

09-22-2009, 11:51 AM
Group Captain Everett Baudoux?

09-22-2009, 12:30 PM
Sorry Dance.

09-22-2009, 12:45 PM
Thanks Waldo. Didn't intend to imply trickery just not sure of parameters.

09-22-2009, 02:02 PM
I know Rock ... I was thinking that maybe somebody could imagine that I was being funny and had dreamed up a thing where this Luftwaffe guy flew with JV 44 or something, then immigrated in the 50's thus making him a naturalized Canuck. Nope native. Flew during the war, downed V1's and even flew his White Meteor over the continent.

This might help.

Incidentally postwar he was ferrying a Meteor across Canada in the immediate postwar period, when he developed fuel transfer problems. The RCAF had added an lash-up external tank that failed. He ditched (due to fuel starvation) his Meteor in a lake in Northern Ontario - and survived for nearly a month in the wilderness before being rescued having lost 47 lbs during the ordeal. The Meteor was recovered. (In case anyone was thinking of going prospecting for it).

I KNOW BG knows who he is as we both have read the (excellent) book (part or a 2 volume set actually) that makes mention of the man.

09-22-2009, 03:30 PM
Two Canadian pilots flying Meteors scored victories in this campaign.

Flying Officer W. McKenzie, while flying with No. 616 (RAF) Squadron shot down a V-1 "Doodlebug" on 08 August 1944, while

Flying Officer J. Ritch scored yet another, the very next day.

Still trying to figure out who was first to fly the "Meatbox". I'll get there yet.

09-22-2009, 04:23 PM
You have him in those two possibilities. It is either McKenzie or Ritch. Good going there Rock. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif 50-50 guess?

09-23-2009, 09:00 AM
Apologies for delay chaps. Had to get off in a hurry last night first chance now to get on.

Taking a guess, ('cos I still can't find any more info), I'll go with Flying Officer W. McKenzie, purely because he got the first kill.

If I'm wrong first to jump in with Flying Officer J. Ritch could win a point and the floor for next question.

09-23-2009, 09:30 AM
Afraid i'm off again guys so, right or wrong I'll have to leave the floor open, as much as I dislike doing so. Probably not on again until tomorrow evening at the earliest.
No peace for the wicked.

09-23-2009, 11:32 AM
Guessing pays off. (Rock gets it.)

From Flying under Fire vol 2.

The Meteor and I:
Recollections of Canada's First Jet Pilot

Bill McKenzie earned a place in the history of Canadian aviation when he became the first Canadian to fly a jet aircraft. Attached to an RAF unit— as were so many members of the RCAF—he was flying Spitfires with 616 Squadron, when, in July 1944, his unit was chosen as the first to re-equip with the RAF's revolutionary new twin-jet-powered fighter, the Gloster Meteor Mk I. Bill McKenzie was the first 616 pilot to be checked out—at the RAF's Farnborough Experimental Establishment—in one of these top-secret machines.

And here is his depiction of his introduction to jet flight. (note the rudimentary level of instruction).

"Good God," I said. "What the hell is that?"
"That," he explained, "is a jet."
"A jet? What's a jet?"
"It's an aircraft."
"Well, what exactly does it do?"
"It flies."
"There's no damn way in the world that thing can fly—it hasn't got anyprops!"
"Well, I guarantee it will fly. The air, you see, comes in here, heats up, and shoots out the back."
Finally, in spite of my misgivings, I had to agree: if he said it would fly, it would fly. He had it pushed out onto the tarmac and handed me two printed sheets, which I looked at: starting procedure, taxiing procedure, takeoff procedure, and landing procedure.

"Get your parachute," he told me. "Climb in and I'll run through this list with you." I climbed in, and the Old Man perched on the ladder while I sat reading the instructions. Right low-pressure **** on. I looked down and there was a lever marked LP, which I flicked "on" along with the left LP ****. Then I pulled the right HP ****. Finally I pressed Button B, then Button A, and all of a sudden this whining started.

"My God! What's happening? Is this right?" One engine was running and I was starting the other. It was unreal—so different, too much to accept. I couldn't fully absorb what was going on. All this is interesting, I thought to myself. We've had a good start—now let's go and have lunch. But Willie reached down, picked up my helmet, and handed it to me.
"Okay," he says, "you're on your own. Go take a trip."
"Good God! "I thought.

So I checked the instructions again, starting with the taxiing procedure. I read it, tried it, and found it very, very pleasant—it was the first tricycle gear I had ever operated—just like driving a car. And visibility was great. There was great no fourteen feet of Merlin blocking my view, as in a Spitfire, forcing me to S-turn constantly in order to see. This was super. I could see ahead and drive straight down the taxi-strip. And, because I was up in front of the engines, it was very quiet. Reaching the end of the runway, I had a last look at the takeoff procedure—line up, hold brakes on, put on ten degrees of flap, full throttle, release brakes, and that was it.

I was launched! In the air! I raised the wheels and flaps. All I could do was sit there, glancing back at those holes where the props should be. "I see it, but I can't believe it! What's holding me up?" I was almost in shock! I flew about fifty miles before turning around. But it was gorgeous, so simple, one of the most enjoyable trips I've ever made.

Out with the instructions again—even on how to get into the circuit— flaps down, wheels down, the whole landing procedure. I landed. It was the simplest and most pleasant aircraft I'd ever flown. I taxied back and the Old Man went up—now that he knew the aeroplane would fly. We stayed at Farnborough flying the Meteor for about a week.

09-23-2009, 11:57 AM
Then the floor is open, as per Rock's considerate request.

09-23-2009, 12:13 PM
Ok. Something different then.

Who or what was a Chop Girl?

09-23-2009, 12:18 PM
Girlfriend of bomber crew?

ie, "Go out with that WAAF and you'll get the chop just like Harry, Barry and Larry did before you!"


09-23-2009, 12:36 PM
A Chop Girl was a slang term for a woman who was dating a person who had gotten the chop.(a person who was KIA.) She would then become un-datable as she had become bad luck on legs.

arthursmedley gets the essence of the cruel term correctly. You're up.

09-23-2009, 05:11 PM
Thankyou Waldo.

Whats this object d'art my mate keeps at home;

Not really looking for make and model, just what does it do?

Cryptic clue; Dr. Foster enjoys the Perseids

09-23-2009, 05:21 PM
Looks like either an air compressor or hydraulic pump of some sort to me.

09-23-2009, 05:31 PM

Edit; Actually Galway you're on the right lines.
To fulfil its function I would imagine it does compress gas.

09-23-2009, 10:14 PM
Looks like a fuel pump (impeller to me). Hope I am wrong. Don't have a decent q ready. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

09-24-2009, 12:52 AM
Nope, but I think I'd better tell you the cryptic clue means Gloucester Meteor.

09-24-2009, 04:43 AM
As all likely things I would have said have been mentioned, I'll have to take a leap in the dark, engine starter?

09-24-2009, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by Dance:
As all likely things I would have said have been mentioned, I'll have to take a leap in the dark, engine starter?

Well done Dance. Over to you.

Oh btw he needs it because he built himself this a couple of years ago!!

09-24-2009, 07:39 AM
Thanks Arthur, lucky guess. Crazy set of wheels he has there!!

Ok what's this? (I can't check for answers for 3 hours or so, so if anyone is 100% sure they're right they can go ahead with the next question).


09-24-2009, 11:43 AM
Looks like the Bristol Pegasus to me probably the XVIII.

The Pegasus was used in many military aircraft, including the Fairey Swordfish, Vickers Wellington, Short Sunderland, and Bristol Bombay.

09-24-2009, 11:55 AM
Yes indeed Rock, the various versions were used in a huge variety of aircraft, over to you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

09-24-2009, 01:03 PM
Thanks Dance. Called for food as sson as I posted so a bit slow to respond.

This should be a quick one and I hope it hasn't come up before.

What have we here:


09-24-2009, 01:07 PM
Excelsior Welbike perchance?

09-24-2009, 01:19 PM
On the ball as usual Dance http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Over to you:

For those not familiar with this war-time special which would be ideal in today's crowded cities some interesting photos:

http://home.planet.nl/~schm036...e%20Parascooter.html (http://home.planet.nl/%7Eschm0361/Welbike%20Parascooter.html)

09-24-2009, 01:32 PM
Thanks Rock, great pics!

Another quickie I expect, what type of fuse is this exactly and how did it work?


09-24-2009, 02:03 PM
Mk 53 Proximity Fuze


09-24-2009, 02:19 PM
On the right track RK, this one was a bit earlier, plus how did it work...

09-24-2009, 02:56 PM
Barometric fuze for AAA shell. Type not known.

A barometric fuze causes an anti-aircraft shell to detonate at a certain pre-set altitude above sea level by means of a barometric sensor, ie a pressure sensitive switch. The detonation height is preset by inserting a key in the nose cone ring and turning the ring to a specific marked position relating to the chosen height.

09-24-2009, 03:05 PM
Getting colder, the Mark 53 you mentioned earlier was close to type (very close), but barometric pressure was not the activator.

09-24-2009, 03:59 PM
Well the options are\ (excluding modern computer controlled shells of course.)

Proximity (Radar) - already nixed.
Pressure - already nixed.
(I think that's all of them -!?)

It's not going to be timed or contact. The precursor of Radar was acoustic. So that seems likely to myself.

09-24-2009, 04:07 PM
Mk 32 VT Fuze

09-24-2009, 04:10 PM
Asked for an exact description of the fuse, so far not given. Proximity does not describe how it works, it just says what it is Waldo.

09-24-2009, 04:13 PM
It is a Mk 32 well done on the perseverence Rock, I will not quibble that I haven't had a description of how it works.

Over to you Rock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"The radio frequency proximity fuze concept was proposed to the British Air Defence Establishment in a May, 1940, memo from William A. S. Butement, Edward S. Shire, and Amherst F.H. Thompson. A breadboard circuit was constructed by the inventors and the concept was tested in the laboratory by moving a sheet of tin at various distances. Early field testing connected the circuit to a thyratron trigger operating a tower-mounted camera which photographed passing aircraft to determine distance of fuze function. Prototype fuzes were then constructed in June, 1940, and installed in unrotated projectiles fired at targets supported by balloons. The details of these experiments were passed to the United States Naval Research Laboratory and National Defense Research Committee (NDRC) in September, 1940, in accordance with an informal agreement between Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt to exchange scientific information of potential military value".

09-24-2009, 04:17 PM
Sorry about that Dance slack posting this is an extract that I dug up and intended posting.

Extract from:

http://www.smecc.org/radio_proximity_fuzes.htmOne method that was experimented with used radio waves transmitted from the ground. These radio waves would be reflected by the target and received by the fuze. Once the radio waves were at a sufficient level, the fuze would activate causing the shell to explode.

Another method that was more logical and became the accepted means, was to develop a fuze which was capable of obtaining its own intelligence and of using it to ignite the shell. When assembled this fuze consisted of four major parts: A miniature radio transceiver, complete with amplifier and capacitor; a battery; an explosive train; and the necessary safety devices. The theory was that the fuze transmitter, alone, would not produce sufficient signal intensity, to trigger a thyratron tube switch. However, as the projectile approached a target the radio waves reflected by the target would gradually increase and come more and more into phase with the fuze-generated signal. Once the signal level was high enough, the fuze would know that the shell could do a maximum amount of damage, and the thyratron tube switch would be triggered releasing the energy in a charged capacitor and thus igniting the shell.

Now I'll read your detail and hope they compare http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

09-24-2009, 04:27 PM
Funny thing is you quote was in the first place i looked:


which is where I got the MK 53 from!

The whole story is fascinating especially to me as a former radio technician (though I was<span class="ev_code_RED">n't</span> involved with fuzes until much later in my career, and then not for AAA)

09-24-2009, 04:33 PM
Aircraft ID please:


Just got the close down or else signal so will not be back up until late tomorrow afternoon.
So as usual if your sure you have it nailed feel free to ask the next question to keep the ball bouncing.

Night all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif
Only just spotted Waldo's post seems the gremlins are at it again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

09-24-2009, 04:43 PM
G'nite Rock, think I may have seen that one before, so will leave it for someone else.

09-25-2009, 11:26 AM
Oh well, if no one else will, it's a Saro Shrimp, those Pobjoy engines are unmistakeable. Seem to remember asking or answering that one once, so don't feel I should take a point.

09-25-2009, 12:43 PM
As I'm sure I'm right and RK said to go on if sure, I will ask the next question.

What are the designations for these three aircraft (bit more than Betty, B-17 and B-24 required) and what have they in common?




09-25-2009, 03:25 PM
The B-17 is a gunship, as is the B-24 (they only make one on the B-24 frame/format and it did not see service). I presume the Betty shown is one also.

09-25-2009, 03:43 PM
Close enough I suppose they were all gunships, but no designations were given, I don't even know if it's worth asking for specifics in my questions anymore. They are a G6M1, a YB-40 and an XB-41.

The G6M1 had a somewhat evolutionary career, although not in it's designated role as a long range escort gunship and only 30 were built. After failing to be of use as a gunship, all were first converted to G6M1-K Trainer then finally the G6M1-L2 transport, one of which was used to transport delegates to the surrender proceedings.

Over to you Waldo.

09-25-2009, 04:12 PM
Simple ID me.


As is the custom of late, if you know continue with the next one.

09-25-2009, 05:33 PM
Extremely tempted, will see if anyone gets it before my beer runs out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

09-26-2009, 04:02 AM
Surprised to see this still here after falling asleep in a beery haze http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Arado Ar 440.

Will return with a question shortly..

Edit: Right should be a quick one, what's this?


09-26-2009, 08:43 AM
Westland Whirlwind

09-26-2009, 08:46 AM
I thought somebody would say that, close but not a Whirlwind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

09-26-2009, 08:47 AM
A test version of a Meteor wiht props?



09-26-2009, 08:54 AM
Nope not the Trent powered Meteor as I see you've realised http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

09-26-2009, 11:10 AM
Welkin me thinks.


09-26-2009, 11:25 AM
Yep it's a Westland Welkin, conceived to do the job that those stripped out Spit V's, you asked about a while ago, were able to do. Intercept high flying a/c such as the Ju-86P.

If generale_kalle had pursued the Whirlwind angle he might of got it.

Over to you Waldo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

09-26-2009, 01:45 PM


What does this --


have in common with this? --


09-26-2009, 01:48 PM
They're both American built...? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Heck, I dunno...

09-26-2009, 02:00 PM
Nope. Before I opened up your answer I though "damn that was fast." I figured you got it .. This might be an okay question after all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

09-26-2009, 03:21 PM
They were both powered by the same engine and the Sherman too

top one is a M18 Hellcat bottom one a N/A Yale

The Guy in grey is the orignal commander of this tank in WWII.
The current owner of the tank found that he was living a few mile from his collection so when they had finished restoring it they invited him to ride in it.
First time in 60 years
Also the fastest tank in WWII

The Yale is pretty much a Harvard with fixed U/C

09-26-2009, 03:31 PM
Couldn't be more correct. The tank destroyer is also featured in an episode of Tank Overhaul.

Take it away.

09-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
Couldn't be more correct. The tank destroyer is also featured in an episode of Tank Overhaul.

Take it away.

Thank you

Oddly enough i finished watching the Sherman one about 10 mins ago http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Name the plane




09-26-2009, 04:36 PM
Sorry, can't concentrate, I see a booby.

09-26-2009, 05:08 PM
Dakota. (Douglas C-47)

Edit: Off to bed, going to be busy after that so if I'm right I leave the floor open as I won't be around for approx 18 hours.

09-26-2009, 07:14 PM
wow your smart Dance..sounds to me like you got it... I would never have figured that out...

09-27-2009, 06:27 AM
That is it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

The tree is a DOUGLAS fir

The building is The DAKOTA (a dificult one)

And the bird is an Albatross or a GOONEY BIRD

the nick-name

09-27-2009, 11:15 AM
Thanks guys.

In 1943 an RAF base was built to serve a particular purpose, for this purpose it had a long and wide runway and was known for little fog and the surroundings being particularly obstacle free. Can you name the base and what it was built for?

09-27-2009, 01:52 PM
A clue then, it wasn't built for jets or to test any other offensive weapons.

09-27-2009, 02:17 PM
Ok so nobody will answer, so I shall.

It is extra wide and extra long because it was setup to be an emergency base for shotup/crippled/poorly controllable bombers to safely return to.

I will say Manston. But it could also be Carnaby or Woodbridge. IIRC.

09-27-2009, 02:24 PM
One of the stations you mention wasn't finished till '44 and one wasn't built for the purpose although used as such (Manston), that leaves the one I'm after.

09-27-2009, 02:48 PM
In 1943, Woodbridge was constructed as one of three airfields set up to accept damaged or fuel-short bombers returning from raids over Germany, and was therefore fitted with long, heavy-duty runways. It was initially called RAF Station Sutton Heath. The site at Woodbridge was chosen as it was 'nearly fog-free and had no obstructions for miles', although more than a million trees had to be cleared from Rendlesham Forest to take the new base. Its first use, however was in July 1943, when it was used by an American B-17 Flying Fortress bomber.

09-27-2009, 02:53 PM
My bad. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Got to read these things more carefully. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

09-27-2009, 02:57 PM
That's it Rock, sorry Waldo, I thought you would be straight back with the answer, I was tempted to give it to you the first time.

Over to you RK.

09-27-2009, 03:36 PM
I also think Waldo should have the point Dance.
I can't take point for just quoting Woodbridge history copied from wiki, (especially having lived and worked nearby, I banked in Woodbridge for over 30 years). Waldo was first in with legwork and should get the credit.

09-27-2009, 03:43 PM
Appreciate that Rock, but I'll let it stand as you had it on the nose, you have the point. Waldo was so close, but them's the breaks.

09-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Agreed. I knew the concept right away but I need to read the q carefully. I didn't see the year 1943. Go Rock!

09-27-2009, 05:22 PM
Thanks Waldo, and as I'm guessing Rock won't be around for a while and I'm assuming he thinks he's passed the question. To keep the quiz rolling I'm going to throw the floor open as he already has the point. If anyone wants to ask one before Rock returns go ahead, I know he won't mind.

09-27-2009, 05:52 PM
I'll give it a shot:



What airplane am I?

09-27-2009, 07:39 PM
Ok, time for a hint,

The man's last name is Brummel

09-27-2009, 10:38 PM
Bristol Beaufighter Mk.VIC 'Torbeau'

My head hurts buddy.

09-27-2009, 11:09 PM
Well done Waldo! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Over to you...

09-27-2009, 11:10 PM
Though I do not come from a military family two of my three brothers (that's three out of four) also became fighter pilots.

There must have been something in the water where we were born, as all three of us became aces during WW2.

What are the names of the three brothers?

09-27-2009, 11:20 PM
Adolf, Willhelm (Wutz) and Paul Galland?

09-27-2009, 11:22 PM
Adolf Galland; 104 victories.
Wilhelm-Ferdinand Galland; 55 victories. KIA 17 August 1943.
Paul Galland; 17 victories. KIA 31 October 1942


09-27-2009, 11:27 PM
Thanks Waldo,
Here's an easy one before going to bed:

What unit was the largest Mosquito Wing in the RAF during WWII?

09-28-2009, 03:25 AM
Banff Strike Wing?

09-28-2009, 09:28 AM
Yup http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Like I said, a bit on the easy side.

Over to you Dance.

09-28-2009, 11:43 AM
Thanks Sillius.

Ok a nice easy one for my 300th picture question, who's this?


09-28-2009, 12:51 PM
Hans Joachim Marsaille?

09-28-2009, 01:11 PM
No sorry JSG, not a fighter jockey.

09-28-2009, 01:25 PM
I know. I am sooo. stupid. It's Rudel

09-28-2009, 01:29 PM
Looks like Rudel to me. (A little sun bleached.)

09-28-2009, 01:33 PM
Hans-Ulrich Rudel it is, take it away <STRIKE> Waldo.</STRIKE> JSG.

Edit: Fikkin forum, I could swear JSG's 2nd answer was not there when I answered to Waldo.

So it's over to you JSG, sorry Waldo just too late.

09-28-2009, 01:44 PM
Ta! Dance. I was a bit confused myself there.

Serves me right for jumping in initially with what I thought was the answer before engaging brain.(I am a Luft Fan an'all).

Anyways question.

What was coincidental? about Russias first Op. Missions with the DB-7 (A-20).

09-29-2009, 02:11 AM

It is to do with other Allied Bomber Ops.

09-29-2009, 08:15 AM
Totally stumped, can't find much detail on the first Soviet Boston op's (even if they were the biggest user) either in my 'A-20 Boston at War' by Willian.N.Hess or my 'A-20 Havoc In Action' by Jim Mesko, they both just mention Soviet details are sketchy. Google so far has not helped much, I'll keep trying though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

09-29-2009, 10:21 AM
OK Big clue to help searches.

First Soviet missions were flown with 2 VAs 244 BAD and 8 VAs 221 BAD. With first missions flown on 26/29th June and 1st/4th of July '42.

Hope this helps. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

09-29-2009, 01:58 PM
No luck, you got me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

09-29-2009, 03:03 PM
No probs.

The coincedence. purely was that the Soviets were just starting their First Ops against the Germans with the A-20. Just as the Americans of the 15th bombardment Squadron started the First U.S. bombing Raids on occupied Europe and also using the A-20.

Soviet/and coincedence side of question was taken from "Black Cross. Red Star" Vol 3.

With U.S. Part backed up.

http://www.militaryfactory.com....asp?aircraft_id=186 (http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=186)

Ok? An easier one.

Which?Fighter during it's development and usage was powered by engines from 3 different manufacturers? (I am thinking of one but there may be more) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

09-29-2009, 03:17 PM
Wouldn't of got that last one in a million years without the aforementioned book, will have to go to the library for that one or hope I luck out at a car boot sale, I'm not paying the prices I've seen quoted for it.

As for the new question, 109?

09-29-2009, 03:23 PM
Hawker Tempest

Naiper Sabre, Rolls Royce Griffon, Bristol Centaurus?

09-29-2009, 03:29 PM
This could get down to what pre-dates what, the 109 had Rolls Royce Kestrels (if we are including development), Junkers Jumo 210 and Daimler Benz 600 onwards http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

09-29-2009, 04:26 PM

I knew I would throw up a few possibilities as soon as I posted this one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I was thinking of the FW.190 operational usage with BMW in the A series. Junkers jumo in the D series and Daimler-Benz with the Ta152C.

However if you include engine fitment of all installations the 109 is correct. Whereby you could also add the BMW.139 as fitted to the V21 as the 109x

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/family/109X.htm (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Etozu/me109/family/109X.htm)

BTW. Vol3 of "BlackCross Red Star" is the cheapest of the series. It is Vol.1 that commands Silly prices.

These are good reads, as an accompaniament to IL2.

I give it to Dance.

Oh dear. I maybe catching the quiz bug again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

09-29-2009, 04:58 PM
Thanks for the leniency JSG. Old quizzers are always a welcome sight, the more the merrier so glad you've been bit again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As I'm now three sheets to the wind and somewhat tired, nothing complicated, a cockpit.. name the plane.


09-30-2009, 10:55 AM
Sorry for the lack of clues thus far, my ISP has been a pain today and I haven't been able to get on line.


09-30-2009, 11:00 AM
An early F4U?

09-30-2009, 11:06 AM
Well done yes it's an F4U-1 Corsair http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Over to you.

09-30-2009, 11:08 AM


edit:I wont bother with the Buccaner either then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

09-30-2009, 11:11 AM
lol@Buccaneer, nice picture of that unusual bird Mr J.

09-30-2009, 11:15 AM

The Finnish Air Force Ilmavoimat received its first Bf-109s(the G2 model) in March 1943. A completely new squadron of the very best pilots, the LeLv34, was formed to fly them. At first, nearly half of the squadron was operating against VVS bombers(A20s) harrassing the merchant shipping between South Finland, Sweden and Germany.

Rest of the squadron first operated first from Utti, and later from Kymi just north from Kotka. Their task was to defend a line of sea mines and submarine nets lined from Estonia to near Kotka from attacking squadrons of IL-2s.

Meanwhile, one of the VVS' Elite Guard regiments was moved to Lavansaari named island right in the middle of the Gulf.

The question goes, what was the number of this Regiment that would in the summer and fall of 1943 take part in many of the fierce aerial battles with the LeLv34? And while you're at it, who was its commander?

EDIT: LeLv34 was not formed in 1943 but it was as the only squadron given all the Bf-109s and experienced pilots from other squadrons. It would be the only squadron the operate the fighter during it's first operational year in Finland.

09-30-2009, 11:15 AM
I did wonder what Johnny Depp had to do with WWII Aeroplans but thats the cider thinking http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

10-01-2009, 06:59 AM
4.GIAP, Lt. Col. V.F. Golubev?

10-01-2009, 08:27 AM
The number was 3, but the same man used to command the 4th earlier or later. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Your turn.

10-01-2009, 08:45 AM
Thanks, I was going to say 3 at first, but as they were on the island a while before '43 I discounted them, doh, at least I got the commander http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ok, which two WW2 aircraft were spawned from this early prototype?


10-01-2009, 12:49 PM
Clue: the aircraft in the picture was first flown by the notable British test pilot, 'Mutt' Summers.

10-01-2009, 03:31 PM
Pure guess.

Wellington and Warwick?

10-01-2009, 03:34 PM
I was just in the process of giving another clue when you got it, yes that's the two http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Here's another view of it.


10-01-2009, 03:57 PM
Blooming Heck! I was just browsing.

When I spotted the pic. Looked kindof Geodetic structure like.(what was it called?).

Anyways.Who is this Pilot(Ace).


And what was "Unusual" about his death?

10-01-2009, 04:11 PM
Egmont Prinz zur Lippe-Weißenfeld

and quoted from Wiki for convenience..

"After a one month hospital stay, Prinz zur Lippe-Weißenfeld was promoted to Major and made Geschwaderkommodore of Nachtjagdgeschwader 5 (NJG 5) on 20 February 1944. He and his crew, Oberfeldwebel Josef Renette and Unteroffizier Kurt Röber, were killed in a flying accident on 22 March 1944 on a routine flight from Parchim to Athies-sous-Laon. Above Belgium, they seem to have encountered a bad weather zone with low clouds and a dense snowstorm and it was assumed that the aircraft hit the high Ardennes ground after being forced to fly lower because of ice forming on the wings. The exact circumstances of this flight may never be known, the Bf 110 G-4 C9+CD (W.Nr. 720 010) crashed into the Ardennes mountains near St. Hubert where the completely burned-out wreck was found the following day. The funeral service was held in the city church of Linz on 15 March 1944. Prinz Egmont zur Lippe-Weißenfeld and Prinz Heinrich zu Sayn-Wittgenstein are buried side by side at Ysselsteyn in the Netherlands."

10-01-2009, 04:28 PM
Nice one Dance.

Thought the pic may have been hard.

The cicumstances surrounding his crash may not be fully known. However assasination appears to be the most probable view?


10-01-2009, 04:44 PM
Thanks JSG, as a fellow Lufty his face was familiar http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I am dimly aware of some odd theories about his death, though I couldn't confirm of deny them.

I'm pretty far gone, I'll see if I can dig up a question, back in a bit.

Edit: No good, minds not on the job I have to crash now and wont be around for a while thereafter, so I better leave the floor open for the next question.

Help yourself if you have one.

10-03-2009, 09:17 AM
The Luftwaffe were required for the Kreigsmarine to fly weather recce missions over the North Atlantic as part of the procedures they would fly close to the sea and fire at the sea to judge wind speed and direction.
These missions were rarely if ever intercepted why?

10-04-2009, 11:48 AM
Clue it involved this chap


10-04-2009, 02:44 PM
Alan Turing of Bletchly Park fame. Played a key part in breaking the Enigma Codes.
Wiki extract:
For a time he was head of Hut 8, the section responsible for German naval cryptanalysis. He devised a number of techniques for breaking German ciphers, including the method of the bombe, an electromechanical machine that could find settings for the Enigma machine.
After the war he worked at the National Physical Laboratory, where he created one of the first designs for a stored-program computer, the ACE.

10-04-2009, 03:27 PM
Well to link the question to the Turing clue, is it because the Bletchley Park boys didn't want to give away the fact they had Engima broken by intercepting those flights?

10-04-2009, 04:02 PM
Ooops missed the point again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif Been away too long, should have read the question but missed it completely. I was still trying to figure out how Turing connected directly with Air Warfare.

10-04-2009, 04:07 PM
Your premiss seems the most reasonable one Dance.
Another possibility was that Bletchley were able to read the weather traffic sent back and found it as useful for our Met people as it was for the Kriegsmarine.

10-04-2009, 04:14 PM
Yup http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif The code breakers could use the weather reports Because they knew the code used by these flights and therefor the content of these messages.
This information was the transmitted in a more complicated code to weather stations on land and on to operational navy units at sea.
But because it was sent at regular intervals and the information was known this was an invaluable aid to decrypting the more succure code.
So it was deemed vital for thes flights not to be shot down.
Truly a milk run Luftwaffe aircraft effectivly protected by the RAF

Dance has it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif as unfortunatly i was not asking who Mr Turing was sorry Rock

All info from


10-04-2009, 04:26 PM
That's the way the mop flops pops.

10-04-2009, 07:51 PM
Re cracking codes, specifically Luftwaffe codes.


A worthy read for all geeks. (http://rapidshare.com/files/288789427/Cracking_the_Luftwaffe_Codes.pdf.html)

10-05-2009, 07:50 AM
Sorry for the delay with a new question, this is the first time I've actually been able to log in to the forum since I answered the question. Either 'page not found' or 'redirect loop' errors, I see in community help that I'm not alone, the forum hamster must be drunk again.

Anyway, I.D. the aircraft. Let's hope I can log in when somebody answers.


10-05-2009, 11:29 AM
Looks like a PBY

10-05-2009, 02:13 PM
Take it away Mr J http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

10-05-2009, 03:06 PM
Thank you Mr D http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What is occuring here:


10-05-2009, 03:45 PM
B-29 gunnery training maybe?

10-05-2009, 04:08 PM
Awww so soon well done Mr D http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

B-29 Mock ups with turret aiming systems used for gunnery training

10-05-2009, 04:36 PM
Thanks Mr J http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Who is this?


10-05-2009, 04:45 PM
Tripple HSU Alexander Pokryshkin.

(I had to check, I didn't expect Dance to come up with something that easy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif )

10-05-2009, 04:48 PM
Always expect the unexpected, I do throw them out them out in the hope of attracting new customers occasionally, but they have to be faster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

All yours TT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

10-05-2009, 08:01 PM
Ah I see, I should have passed it then.

Ok, what is this:


(I've been in and out of the loop so if it has been asked before, please feel free to ask something else)

10-06-2009, 12:30 PM
Aeronautica Lombarda A.R 1? The semi-piloted / semi-R/C flying bomb?

10-06-2009, 01:41 PM
It is a semi-piloted, semi-radio controlled flying bomb, it is Italian, but it's Ambrosini A.R.4.

Close enough for me, take it away dance.

Edit: It actually looks like it could be the same thing.

10-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Seems to be one of those confusing incidences with nomenclature, not unusual with prototypes, thanks for the benefit of the doubt TT.

Name the aircraft being 'bombed-up'


10-06-2009, 02:02 PM
Fw-189 by any chance?

10-06-2009, 02:10 PM
Yes indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

(I will catch me a new one, one of these days, lol)

10-06-2009, 02:57 PM
Name the plane and the gun:


10-06-2009, 03:34 PM
Must resist for an hour, considering this aircraft's recent introduction to the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

10-06-2009, 04:36 PM
Kind of disappointed this hasn't gone yet, considering.

Savoia Marchetti SM.79, Breda SAFAT 7.7 mm MG.

10-06-2009, 05:47 PM
Sure Dance!

Your turn.

10-07-2009, 08:00 AM
Thanks Tim.

In 1941 Fieseler built seventy aircraft (not of their own design) for a special requirement. This requirement was no longer needed by the time the aircraft were built and they were put to use in a more usual role.

What were the aircraft and what was the requirement that led to their construction?

10-07-2009, 10:24 AM
Messerschmitt 109T. Built for the Graf Zeppelin. Aircraft carrier?

10-07-2009, 10:27 AM
As an aside, I believe the 109T was used in Norway where the extra lift from the larger wing area was useful on snow covered or rough runways.

10-07-2009, 10:34 AM
JSG has it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Indeed they were used in Norway with JG 77 and later JG 11, Sillius http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

10-07-2009, 04:34 PM

Quick pic association. With what plane?




10-07-2009, 05:06 PM
My eyes aren't what they once were, any chance of a bigger image of the third pic?

10-07-2009, 05:11 PM
Yeh! em sorry about the size. I,m just in from work and had to think of a quick question.

A clue is. Last Pic is an English Soccer Trophy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif