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mortoma
10-21-2004, 12:58 PM

Stiglr
10-21-2004, 02:39 PM
If current IL-2 maps are any indication, you are not going to get a map with Bougainville and the Solomons on it.

It's just too big an area to cover.

Check your atlas. Looks pretty small in the middle of the Pacific, true, but you get a mileage scale on it, and you see it's a looooong way down the Slot.

nearmiss
10-21-2004, 03:07 PM
I understand there are 2 solomon maps.

1) with large pacific ocean and solomons in upper right corner

2) with solomons as focal point with the island directly North and the one past it to the East called Malita (the lower left part of it) or something like that.

Henderson is supposed to be on both..

I think one is a for online play, since it's supposed to just include the islands without much ocean.

I also heard Singapore was supposed to be in the maps, but haven't heard from anyone on that.

gates123
10-21-2004, 03:47 PM
Yes if there one map that needs to be added eventually I would think its Bouganville. An epic battle took place there and not to mention I'm a little bias because my grandfather fought there in DD-515. : http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Freycinet
10-21-2004, 03:58 PM
a map was left out of the cd, will come in the patch.... - I guess it must be singapore, though.

jocko417
10-21-2004, 04:07 PM
To put it in perspective, the New Guinea map in PF is about the same size as the (huge) Gulf of Finland map was in FB, about 250-300 miles wide from east to west. Stig is right, if you go from Bougainville all the way SE to the end of the Solomons it's almost twice the distance.

Fliegeroffizier
10-21-2004, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
a map was left out of the cd, will come in the patch.... - I guess it must be singapore, though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm curious...what extensive air operations took place around Singapore?

Fliegeroffizier
10-21-2004, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jocko417:
To put it in perspective, the New Guinea map in PF is about the same size as the (huge) Gulf of Finland map was in FB, about 250-300 miles wide from east to west. Stig is right, if you go from Bougainville all the way SE to the end of the Solomons it's almost twice the distance. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would they necessarily need ALL of the Solomons?? Initial air operations would have been confined to the air over and near Guadalcanal....later operations would have been up north, in vicinity of Bouganville...and then over towards New Guinea and New Britain... The entire Eastern Front in IL2/FB was/is not on a single Map, it is chopped up into several different maps. The same could be done with the Solomons.

Sounds like the focus of PF is 95% on carrier operations, only. I hope the AddOn will include the obvious additions of maps, etc..

the_soupdragon
10-21-2004, 05:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
a map was left out of the cd, will come in the patch.... - I guess it must be singapore, though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe the missing map is the Mermansk map. which will be a welcome addition to FB. BUt I will gladly take any maps that are being offered. If they are anything like the New Guinea map (which htink is stunning) they will be worth the wait.

SD

WilliamDu
10-21-2004, 05:16 PM
Is there a "30 Seconds over Tokyo" scenario or scenery by any chance? One of my favorite WWII movies.

Stiglr
10-21-2004, 05:18 PM
Flieger:

For one, a limited truncated map limits what you can do with it, both historically and for what-ifs. Good case in point? The IL-2 Kuban and Crimea maps are split at the Strait of Kerch. Because of that, you can't create scenarios where the Germans start west of the Strait of Kerch and fly missions well into the Kuban (and there was a LOT of action involving that area).

As for Singapore, there was a huge campaign fought there in 1941/42 and the Japanese swept not only Singapore but the entire Dutch East Indies and a good portion of the Solomons as well. The Japanese had a huge advantage in that one, so that's probably why nobody here seems to know about it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif It goes counter to that whole "U.S./Allies whooping butt the whole time after Pearl Harbor" mindset. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

gwanna
10-21-2004, 10:04 PM
Jeez!!!

Call me daft but I assumed that anything with the words PACIFIC and FIGHTERS in it would have Gaudacanal in it.

I grew up there and flew in and out of Henderson. I even watched them bring in what I remember as an old Wild cat and the pilot was still in his seat (Rest His Soul)

Mate, Henderson just has to be there, it just has to be. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I can even remember when waiting for our parents to pick us up from school, we would run around the school yard, scuffing our feet in the dirt to see who could find the most live bullets.

Guadacanal was recognised as one of the largest battles in WWII. So please Oleg, If it's not in there yet, Please let it be http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

darkhorizon11
10-21-2004, 10:37 PM
My grampa fought there so I'd love to see it as an addition. Some of the stories he told me were really intense. He was also at Henderson field a few times I think. He was in the Americal Division of the Army (the only unnumbered division that I know of).

Some of the included the first time he saw combat, which was waist deep in water, Christmas eve, 1944 somewhere in the Solomons I'll have to ask next time I see him. Often times he went on patrols into the jungles which from what he told me were very similiar to the enviroment around in Vietnam. He said one day they went out on patrol and heard some deafening crashes in the close by. He looked up and saw some Mustangs in a near vertical dive about half mile away. He saw he was awestruck by their grace and agility at they released their bombs which appeared to fall as though on a string. He composed himself, got on the radio and called his encampment since he was a little unsure of the position he was supposed to be in. When the radioman read off their position he said they started by the sterness of their order to evacuate the area as soon as possible.

Sorry I ranted, needles to say it would have a lot of meaning to see those maps.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

owlwatcher
10-21-2004, 11:08 PM
It would be nice to have had maps of the whole area that could be put together.
Even games on larger scales have trouble with the distances that need to be covered.
Rather have one large map then like The IL-2 Kuban and Crimea maps are split at the Strait of Kerch. Hated that selection. Put together would really been nice.
DD 515 Anthony
http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/destroy/dd515txt.htm
Had to look it up.

I will wait till I have trid the game and patch before I vote yes to this .

Giganoni
10-21-2004, 11:32 PM
I'm a little confused as to why there is a tarawa map? I don't know of any major air confrontations at Tarawa, yes I believe it had an airfield, but still. Not sure, why it is there.

triggerhappyfin
10-22-2004, 06:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
I'm a little confused as to why there is a tarawa map? I don't know of any major air confrontations at Tarawa, yes I believe it had an airfield, but still. Not sure, why it is there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to say that lots of men lost their lives on this battle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif.


Info on the battle of Tarawa. (http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tarawa.htm)

NegativeGee
10-22-2004, 06:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gwanna:
Jeez!!!

Call me daft but I assumed that anything with the words PACIFIC and FIGHTERS in it would have Gaudacanal in it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

PF ships with a map of Guadalcanal, but it just covers the Guadalcanal Island, Florida Island and a section of SW Malatia.

I don't know if there are any other maps due in the patch that will cover other regions such as Santa Isabel, New Georgia, Russell Island etc...

Check here. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=9211084232)

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-22-2004, 06:34 AM
More maps only add versatility. I'm in favor of more maps.

Magic "8" ball says...YES

mortoma
10-22-2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gwanna:
Jeez!!!

Call me daft but I assumed that anything with the words PACIFIC and FIGHTERS in it would have Gaudacanal in it.

I grew up there and flew in and out of Henderson. I even watched them bring in what I remember as an old Wild cat and the pilot was still in his seat (Rest His Soul)

Mate, Henderson just has to be there, it just has to be. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I can even remember when waiting for our parents to pick us up from school, we would run around the school yard, scuffing our feet in the dirt to see who could find the most live bullets.

Guadacanal was recognised as one of the largest battles in WWII. So please Oleg, If it's not in there yet, Please let it be http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Uh-oh, now some of you guys are confused, somehow things have gotten out of hand. Post was meant to ask whether you wanted a map of the part of the Solomon Islands with Bougainville on it, not Guadalcanal!! PF already does indeed have Guadalcanal, which is an entirely different place than Bougainville in the Solomons.

mortoma
10-22-2004, 08:26 AM
This thread/poll are about Bougainville in the Solomons, not Guadalcanal, I repeat, Bougainville, not Guadalcanal!!! Thanks guys......PF has Guadalcanal map already. Guadalcanal is in a different part of the Solomons, pretty far away.

Reschke
10-22-2004, 09:53 AM
I would like to see Bougainville and New Georgia covered on the maps also. It only makes sense to me because of the amount of fighting that took place in the air around this little area called RABAUL that happened to be a hotbed of Japanese air activity all the way up into early 1944.

Giganoni
10-22-2004, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
I'm a little confused as to why there is a tarawa map? I don't know of any major air confrontations at Tarawa, yes I believe it had an airfield, but still. Not sure, why it is there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to say that lots of men lost their lives on this battle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif.


http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tarawa.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Yes, I know all about the land battle. In a flight sim its about the Air Battles. All I saw was strafing and bombing runs for the Americans prior to the landing. So again I fail to recognize Tarawa's signifigance in a flight sim.
If anyone has info on major air engagments over there let me know.

Fliegeroffizier
10-22-2004, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:

Yes Yes, I know all about the land battle. In a flight sim its about the Air Battles. All I saw was strafing and bombing runs for the Americans prior to the landing. So again I fail to recognize Tarawa's signifigance in a flight sim.
If anyone has info on major air engagments over there let me know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I also found it to be a weird choice...one can only fly ground attack, bombing and/or strafing...and, ultimately, having virtually NO impact on the Japanese defendeders hunkered down in their buried shelters/bunkers/"spiderholes"... pointless for a flight sim.

Same-Same Iwo Jima...Pointless and ineffective air-to-ground attack operations.

At Okinawa, one Should find decent ground targets, tanks, etc, and, of course, the Japanese air forces(including Kamikazes)

darkhorizon11
10-23-2004, 03:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
I'm a little confused as to why there is a tarawa map? I don't know of any major air confrontations at Tarawa, yes I believe it had an airfield, but still. Not sure, why it is there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to say that lots of men lost their lives on this battle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif.


http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tarawa.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Yes, I know all about the land battle. In a flight sim its about the Air Battles. All I saw was strafing and bombing runs for the Americans prior to the landing. So again I fail to recognize Tarawa's signifigance in a flight sim.
If anyone has info on major air engagments over there let me know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its a battle, planes flew, why not? Given it shouldn't overshadow other air battles, bute still. I mean normandy itself was pretty on sided. The Luftwaffe was all but defeated in the previous year when the Allies landed in Normandy. Only two bf-109s strafed the beaches. Yes there was bombing and air attacks, but no air battles yet we still have the map so I don't see why not for Tarawa!

mortoma
10-23-2004, 03:58 PM
Some of you later visitors did not vote in my poll, it has been 40 yea, 1 nay since yesterday. Please get out and vote at the polls!!!!

Mozzie_21
10-23-2004, 08:07 PM
The maps size in Il2 and FB was reflected by the nature of the Russian front. i.e. it was not dominated by long range missions so large maps were not essential.

It is unfortunate that this appears to have been kept in PF where the battles where missions were definately flown over much greater ranges.

chris455
10-23-2004, 10:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
I'm a little confused as to why there is a tarawa map? I don't know of any major air confrontations at Tarawa, yes I believe it had an airfield, but still. Not sure, why it is there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to say that lots of men lost their lives on this battle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif.I!
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tarawa.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Yes, I know all about the land battle. In a flight sim its about the Air Battles. All I saw was strafing and bombing runs for the Americans prior to the landing. So again I fail to recognize Tarawa's signifigance in a flight sim.
If anyone has info on major air engagments over there let me know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree Gig. Same w/ Iwo. Why? CBI or Bougainville or even Alaska (THAT would be kinda neat) would've been more understandable.
Still, I'm grateful for whatever we can get!

flemsha
10-23-2004, 10:37 PM
It is quite possible that the career of an American aviator would include bombing of Tarawa, no matter how ineffectual the results may have been in the end, it doesn't mean it should be omitted just because Tarawa was won on the boots of the infantry and not the wings of the aviators.

As for Bouganville yes, definately. And if Rabul isn't there than yes to that too. Was just reading an article by a RAAF pilot who flew over Rabul after it fell to the Japanese, rivetting stuff, and that was a Recon mission!

gwanna
10-24-2004, 05:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
This thread/poll are about Bougainville in the Solomons, not Guadalcanal, I repeat, Bougainville, not Guadalcanal!!! Thanks guys......PF has Guadalcanal map already. Guadalcanal is in a different part of the Solomons, pretty far away. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not really all that far as Bougainville is actually part of the Solomon Chain of islands and geographically belongs to the Solomons, not PNG and many a raid was run down the SLOT.

I actually owe this bit of info on distances to Target Rabaul.

"The problem is that the airfields at Rabaul; Tobera, Vanakanau, Lakunai, Rapopo and Keravat are 560 nautical miles from Guadalcanal. When escorting bombers, the flight takes almost 3 1/2 hours to reach Guadalcanal, which means that Fighter Group Commanders have limited time over target to only 15 minutes. All up a round trip takes almost 8 hours. Exhausting. And the Zero is the only fighter plane in the world capable of flying this distance. But the A6M3 Model 32 clipped wing version can't. That limits the number of fighters available for escort. However, with the advent of the newly constructed airfields on Buka Island (400 nautical miles from Guadalcanal) and Buin and Kahili (300 nautical miles) on Southern Bougainville, the limited range A6M3's can be moved to these forward bases. They will supplement the float Planes based at Rekata Bay, on Santa Isabel Island."

So although I may have reacted to the Guadalcanal statement somewhat eagerly, I see the Islands as being part of one great battle.

I cannot comment on Henderson too much so far as I am still waiting for my copy of PF. Regardless, this is still a great sim and I know that I couldn't possibly do any better, so I am not about to rave about a waste of money or anything like that and I am still happy to pay for a great product.

GerritJ9
10-24-2004, 04:41 PM
Before Bougainville, we need Singapore/Sumatra/Java/Borneo maps...........

Fresshness
10-24-2004, 05:02 PM
sounds good?