View Full Version : Warbrds Ive photographed that are gone now,like red7

07-17-2005, 04:19 PM
regarding the crash of Bf-109 red 7 (Buchon modified), here's a collection of warbirds ive photographed over 17 yrs that no longer exist for an assortment of reasons. Keep in mind that the people who keep these machines alive put tremendous effort, money, and risk into this worthy though very dangerous venture. Next time youre at an airshow with these things, thank them.

1. P-51D Passion Wagon, destroyed in a fatal crash traveling to an airshow (like most). THis guy gave the best 51 demonstrations Id seen

2.CAF B-26 Marauder, fatal crash enroute to a show, after many yrs of great demonstrations. Always gave the photographers the best possible shots wiht high speed passes.

07-17-2005, 04:27 PM
Then theres the recent crash of a CAF (confederate air force, now called commemorative air force) FM-2 (they had 2). at the time this photo was taken in 1990, it was in prewar markings. im not familiar wiht the circumstances, and i thinkit was fatal. was in a recent air classics magazine.

4.CAF Spit Mk9, still in its BOB movie scheme in until it was consumed in a hangar fire in canada getting engine maintenance. Also destroyed was a canadian museums flying Hurricane and a TBF. The Lancaster was saved by the firemen who braved the fast moving flames and rolled it outF(Canadian Warplane Heritage-great outfit).

5. P-51D Glamorous Glenn. That was the owner back in the mid 90s, an airline pilot, who later sold it. She and her hubby could put on a great show flying out of Griffon Ga. they sold it, and it was destroyed in a crash, nonfatal i believe. Cant remember the circumstances, but another restoration is taking its place as glam glenn. Yeager flew this plane on several occaisons.

07-17-2005, 04:36 PM
On July 10, 2003, approximately 1310 mountain daylight time, N72615, a CASA 2.111,operated by American Airpower Heritage Fly Museum, was destroyed during a forced landing 2 miles southeast of the Cheyenne, Wyoming, Airport. The airline transport certificated captain and first officer were fatally injured.

My wife took the picture in 2000 in Vancouver


07-17-2005, 04:46 PM
And as Dubbo said, the CAF Heinkel (Spanish Casa version wiht merlins) recently crashed on approach when it lost an engine at the worst possilbe moment. this had been Franco's personal transport for many years, being unique in having two sets of controls. Was recently put in North african camo. Was obtained at the end of the BOB movie filming along with anothor HE, 4 buchons and a spit by the CAF. They
lost the other one many yrs ago. the buchons didnt last long since they ALL had landing accidents. Some are on static display after repair. This was the last flying He-111.

7.Cessna T-37, air acres museum, Cartersville Ga. THough not a WW2 aircraft, it's still classified as a warbird and was the only civilian one flying a few yrs ago. The same guys also had the only C-119 boxcar on the airshow circuit. The T-37 was destroyed in a fatal midair when the tail entered the prop arc of the Museum's A-26 Invader. The invader made it home with little damage, but the tail was cut off the T37 and both occupants were killed. The owner of the museum had tried to get the FAA (fed aviation admin, not the royal navy) to let him activate the ejection seat, but that was deemed as "too dangerous". They could probably have escaped, as the pilot did exit the plane at high speed. He was always pretty nice to me, letting me accompany them to few airshows on thier C-47 and lettign me get a ride in the waist position of thier B-25J. Museum closed of course.

Here's a sunset shot of the He....man, you cant beat a south texas sunset like they have at Harlingen. Im glad i got to shoot this thing at 2 of thier shows. The yr before it had a landing accident when one gear collapsed. Ive got shots of that to somewhere.http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/Enforcer572005/Scan583.jpg

And heres another shot of the mk9 in 1940 camo, and inaccurately placed gun tapes.ive got many shots of this plane at many airshows, always flown magnificently by the well known Howard Pardue. When they got these 7 planes from the movie company, they did a mass flyby at harlingen in the 1940 markings....man i wish i could have seen that.

07-17-2005, 05:08 PM
Here's to all the aircrew who lost their life's giving us pleasure in seeing the old planes flying again! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

07-17-2005, 05:13 PM
yup, they deserve the praise, since theyre taking the chances. Probably all re-incarnated WW2 pilots. Maybe they'll be back. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Heres the unique cockpit of the Spanish He. It has two controls sets for a copilot, since it was the spanish equivalant of air force 1 for some yrs and used as a transport....can you see a head of state flying into an airport somewhere in the 1950s in this?

07-17-2005, 05:18 PM
Howard is a HELL of a pilot and quite a "card" as well.

I miss Charlie Hillard and Sea Fury too. Charlie was good people.

A few years back Howard was in his Bearcat when a couple of F-16's came driving by. He turned into them and they duked it out for a bit. A good time was had by all.

Breckenridge, TX airport and Ezell Aviation is quite a place to visit.

Great pics. THANKS for posting them.

BTW, the alarming attrition rate of warbirds is the reason why Connie Edwards won't sell any of his stuff. ( or even let most folks see 'em)

07-17-2005, 05:29 PM
I never got to photograph it but this plane along with it's pilot Don Hinz were lost on May 29, 2004...

07-17-2005, 05:39 PM
Yup...I was there that day Bearcat. (Red Wing, Minnesota, U.S.A.). Very sad...the Hinz family lost their son in Iraq also, as you may have heard. The "Red Tail" '51 is however undergoing a rebuild, and the organization believes that it will fly again..........

07-17-2005, 05:58 PM
yeah, that was another CAF plane....those guys have some bad luck, but considering that they operate far more ww2 planes than any1 else, they do pretty well. Another P-51C was restored by Kermit Weeks in Tuskegee ace Lee Archer's markings ("Hepcat"), and its incredible.

I saw the husband of the GRiffin couple take on an F-15 in his 51, it was great, and i even got a shot somewhere of both of them turning into each other. ive also got shots of several modern and ww2 aircraft in the same frame.

the next few photos are especially strange...in 1990 (i think) i went with the guys from Cartersville to the Valiant air command show in titusville fla, and had the misfortune of seeing a horrible fatal T28 crash, which i photographed (instinctively)with my 5 frames per second cannon and huge lens....im only gonna post the aircraft and the aftermath, but the rest of this awful set of photos are at photobucket.com under Enforcer572005's album.

They show the massive fireball of this T28 impacting the ground due to a high speed stall after a loop/split-s that he was too low to do. The T28 is a ground lover (in my dad's words-he was an instructor in one 48 yrs ago) that you just dont do low level aerobatics in unless youre Bob Hoover.

The first pic is the "restored" T28, not quite finished yet, at top of the loop. the next photo is the smoking hole a few seconds later with the radial engine smoldering on the right. The rest of the photos that are at photobucket are pretty intense, as i was shooting at 5 frames per second and just followed him down wiht my finger on the shutter button....couldnt believe i was seeing this-was surrealistic.

the first photo is of a Tora VAl/BT-13 replica that has a ground loop and collapsed on gear in the 40 knt gusty winds that day...they really shouldnt have been flying, as it was terrible. this is the plane in the forground of one of the later photos.

Here's the T-28 at the top of the loop, just before going into a split-s which he was about 200 meters too low for (in this aircraft).It hasnt been painted yet, but the poor guy was just eager to fly it for everybody...there were about 10 of them there tthat day.

The next one is the smoking hole that sadly resulted. The Val/BT-13 is in the foreground on one gear after a 40 kt gust picked him up as he was taking off CROSSWIND (?????!!!!!) in conditions that almost never got below 25 knts.
strange that this plane was line of sight, and it somewhat exagerates the closeness, but not by much. THe smoking radial engine has rolled out to the right and is sitting on its edge. STrange how this scene looks like something out of the sim or a movie, but it was tragically real.

07-17-2005, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Kupper:
Yup...I was there that day Bearcat. (Red Wing, Minnesota, U.S.A.). Very sad...the Hinz family lost their son in Iraq also, as you may have heard. The "Red Tail" '51 is however undergoing a rebuild, and the organization believes that it will fly again..........

Wow... that must be a drag seeing something like that.. knowing that the pilot lost his life.

Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
yeah, that was another CAF plane....those guys have some bad luck, but considering that they operate far more ww2 planes than any1 else, they do pretty well. Another P-51C was restored by Kermit Weeks in Tuskegee ace Lee Archer's markings ("Hepcat"), and its incredible.

You mean this one... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/bearcat/Ina_26Me.jpg

07-17-2005, 06:24 PM
yup, thats it. the B24 is in the backgruond i see. i saw that plane flying over Rome GA one day, and i pulled into a lot to watch. he had already left the airport where he had made a quick stop after purchasing it from david tallichet. Kermit knows how to do it right. Hes even got a Sunderland.

this last photo is of the sad, smoking aftermath of the T28s high speed stall. The Tora VAl is in the foreground after the pilot tried to take off in horrible crosswind conditions (????!!!!) and gettting twisted right around, nearly going over sideways http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The radial engine can be sitting on the right smoldering.Two warbird mishaps within minuites. Of course, the weather was terrible,and they really should hve aborted the flying that day.THey did afer this, but the weather cleared and it was a great show the next day.


ITs a very confusing photo, with the VAl/BT in the foreground and that mess behind it. Looks like somethign wed simulate in FB, but it was sadly real-the second fatal crash id seen at an airshow. a yr later the BT was behind a hangar on barrels stripped of wheels and engine...i dunno what happened to it. the crash itself has been on a discovery channel show about crashes, and the fist photo and one of the massive fireball was published in Air classics magazine (sept of 90, i think).

I wasnt trying to get published at this poor guys expense, but i wanted to impress upon readers that it is unwise to do low level aerbatics like that in a T-28; the USAF and USN knew this, especially in lousy wind conditions; my dad always taught AF students such at much higher altitudes....i had been cringing the whole performance so bad that some lady next to me asked if i was alright.I told her i would be as soon as this plane was on the ground. Sadly it never made it, in one piece anyway.

you could see the elevators in the max up position and the other surfaces moving frantically as the aircraft plumeted but changed attitude...it was almost flat and pancaked into the ground, a large ball of fuel vapor surrounding this for a split second, then ignighting so brightly it caused my camer iris to close some making it look darker. the fire was out in 10 seconds.... a little different than the sim.

07-17-2005, 10:32 PM
I feel sick.

07-18-2005, 05:37 AM
Reno 1999. This Learstang ( Body of a Mustang, wings of a Learjet) crashed on the 3rd day of the races. Pilot was Gary Levitz an experienced (race-) pilot.


TgD Thunderbolt56
07-18-2005, 11:12 AM
I know Kermitt. Great collection.

The Valiant Air Command in Titusville is a really good group of guys. I get down there a couple times a year and have participated/attended several of their displays. They still get 5 or 6 of those T-28's up at the same time, but the aerobatics are practically nil.


07-18-2005, 04:33 PM
i had forgotten about the lear-stang. Now THAT was interesting. Lear wings and a griffing engine with contra-props.....like something from a speilberg movie.

T-bolt...now you know why they dont do aerobatics in T28s anymore down there. I was always impressed with those guys to, as they were really nice to the participants, which we were considered for flying in on a C-47. The cartersville museum made a low pass in the C-119 when they showed up, and when they parked the plane, the rear clamshell opened, and out drove thier mini-van and a mercedes. they took the shell off, and about a battalion of sky-divers leaped out of that thing. I never got to fly on it, but it had a huge flight deck. upon landing in Ga, huge flames were shooting intermitantly out of the exhaust, running about a third the way down the booms. his son had been killed in a T-28 crash himself a few yrs earlier. Sad that the dad would to, and thats why i think those people should be thanked and supported.


anyway, lest I be accused of being the forum downer, here's some of my work which will make you feel a little better; An AJ Savage at the naval aviation museum in Pensecola in 90, just before my friend there shipped out to the 24th inf div just in time for the Gulf war (it's one of her best angles). I dont wanna make you guys feel TOO sick.....

And here's another to show the extent some guys go to so we can see these planes (this one has NOT crashed as far as i know)...this FM2 was at titusville in the early 90s and was flown by its original pilot who flew many combat misns wiht it from CVEs. after the war, he searched for it in boneyards, found it, restored the thing, even put a seat in the access compartment in the fuselage for his wife. He put a small window in each side so she could see out, and its dark blue tinted so you cant really tell its there.

Pardon the lousy quality of the photo, but the good ones of it are stashed somewhere in all my archives-this was cropped from the background of another photo.

07-18-2005, 11:40 PM
little tech problem there...heres the FM2. If i can find my better shots, it might make a good subject for a skin.

07-19-2005, 11:41 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gifA Very Sad... but Excellent Post!
To see these Bird's that took so many hours of work... destroyed in a matter of Seconds along with some of the Best Flyer's.

07-19-2005, 06:07 PM
Interesting and sobering post thanks guys

07-19-2005, 11:58 PM
That is one helluva overmodelled empennage!!!!!

07-23-2005, 10:05 PM
My sincerest gratitude and respect goes out to those who have spent so many hours and so much of their hard earned money on keeping those airplanes around so we all can enjoy them.Heartfelt condolences go out to those who have lost their lives in the pursuit of such an endeavor so that we all can see such an important part of combat aviation history.I only hope that someday these planes will still be around for my children and other future generations to experience as well