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panther3485
11-11-2009, 06:50 AM
Hi guys,

I've seen some posts in another discussion here ("I need a new stick, recommend one?"), that have made mention of the Logitech G940 but no firm opinions on it yet.

I already have a flight control set I'm very happy with; namely, CH Pro Throttle, Pedals and Fighterstick - which I've now had for about 18 months. If I had any criticism at all, it is the slightly 'limp' feel of the stick but this is merely a personal preference thing. The stick - all the CH controls - are very precise, with excellent sensitiviy and functionality. I would recommend them to anyone.

So, why am I asking about the Logitech G940?

A friend of mine, who is on a somewhat tighter budget than myself, wants to buy a proper flight control set (stick, throttle and pedals) for his 15-year-old daughter who is doing Aviation at high school. He is happy to accept my recommendation of the CH set but at around A$700.00 with shipping, he understandably baulks at the price. When he spotted the Logitech 940 on the web page I was browsing, for a much more reasonable A$425.00, he asked me what I thought of it but I had to explain that I believed it to be a fairly new product that I knew nothing about, and therefore could not recommend at this stage.

So, are there any verdicts yet on the Logitech G940? Has anybody tried it? Has anybody had one long enough to give some impression of its durability? Some of you guys recommended the CH set to me before, and I value your opinions. Any info you can offer would be welcome.


Best to all,
panther3485

P.S. Still enjoy IL-2 1946 but I have just picked up DCS Black Shark, based on good reviews I've seen. Reckon I'll be giving that a nudge real soon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I_JG78_Max
11-11-2009, 06:58 AM
http://www.simhq.com/_technolo...technology_155a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_155a.html)

panther3485
11-11-2009, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by I_JG78_Max:
http://www.simhq.com/_technolo...technology_155a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_155a.html)

Thanks for posting that link. The review seems very favourable. In some ways, the G940 appears to have better features than my current CH outfit. That said, being a relatively very new product means nobody would have had one long enough to judge its durability but the reviewer does comment that build quality looks good.

Certainly worth considering, on initial impressions at least. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Avont29
11-11-2009, 07:58 AM
It's NOTHING compared to this:

http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/na/namco-5-in-1-pacman-galaxians-joystick.jpg

FoolTrottel
11-11-2009, 10:47 AM
Can't beat this though:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Joystick.jpg

But seriously, I'll be getting the G940 soon.
Big gamble, because I got a very cool FFB stick now, and home built control box and pedals...

What if I find I don't like the G940? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-11-2009, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
What if I find I don't like the G940? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Sell it to me, lol!

FishCookie
11-13-2009, 01:39 AM
I've got one right now and I'd say wait if you don't need a new joystick. The G940 exhibits a huge "slop" zone in the force feedback, i.e zero resistance to stick movement, at the stick centre. This slop zone has a radius of about 15% axes travel. This problem is from current flightsims not supporting Logitechs FFB system, future games may.

Take a look over at the Logitech forums there are alot teething problems with the software supporting the G940 hopefully logitech will sort it out.

Cyph3r111
11-13-2009, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by FishCookie:
I've got one right now and I'd say wait if you don't need a new joystick. The G940 exhibits a huge "slop" zone in the force feedback, i.e zero resistance to stick movement, at the stick centre. This slop zone has a radius of about 15% axes travel. This problem is from current flightsims not supporting Logitechs FFB system, future games may.

Take a look over at the Logitech forums there are alot teething problems with the software supporting the G940 hopefully logitech will sort it out.

No, the slop is actually due to the FFB mechanism logitech use. The G25 has the same problem.

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-13-2009, 11:25 AM
I read this was intentional in the G940 so as to provide better fine control near the center.

Waldo.Pepper
11-13-2009, 12:51 PM
Good to know my Spidey senses were right.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...901098067#8901098067 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2191097067?r=8901098067#8901098067)

FoolTrottel
11-13-2009, 01:29 PM
Oh dear...

I ordered mine yesterday... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Oh well...

LEBillfish
11-13-2009, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Avont29:
It's NOTHING compared to this:

http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/na/namco-5-in-1-pacman-galaxians-joystick.jpg


Lame....can always tell a noob by his kiddie joystick....mine has more buttons..

http://s.kmart.com/is/image/Sears/004W298980110001-1?hei=600&wid=600&op_sharpen=1&qlt=90,0&resMode=sharp&op_usm=0.9,0.5,0,0

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-13-2009, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Avont29:

Lame....can always tell a noob by his kiddie joystick....mine has more buttons..

http://s.kmart.com/is/image/Sears/004W298980110001-1?hei=600&wid=600&op_sharpen=1&qlt=90,0&resMode=sharp&op_usm=0.9,0.5,0,0

Gotcha beat:

http://www.vsmileshop.com/images/V%20Smile%20PC%20Pal%201.jpg

Cold_Gambler
11-16-2009, 11:52 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Cold_G/ControlassignmentsLT3DCruiser.jpg

Saburo_0
11-16-2009, 04:41 PM
!Wow, that Spam Ubi forums button would be Koo1!

Gammelpreusse
11-17-2009, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I read this was intentional in the G940 so as to provide better fine control near the center.

Is this related to FF effects or the center forces?

Yskonyn23
11-17-2009, 09:41 AM
Could we also get some answers on the question in this topic, please? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
IS it worth buying?

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-17-2009, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Gammelpreusse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I read this was intentional in the G940 so as to provide better fine control near the center.

Is this related to FF effects or the center forces? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What I read is that it's intentional that the FFB is very weak in the center since all the fine adjustments are usually made in the center and the FFB would be bouncing the stick around too much for fine control.

FoolTrottel
11-19-2009, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
What if I find I don't like the G940? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Sell it to me, lol! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok. No problem.

Here's my review of my G940 Flight System:
(Warning: highly influenced by my personal opinion, this is not a function by function test report/evaluation!)

I don't like it. At all.

On the positive side:
+ It's packed in a nice box (wasn't too difficult to repackage you know) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif
+ It's seen only 8 minutes of flight (5 minutes BF110, 3 minutes Mustang) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
+ It's great for flying the Mustang/P51 types: If you feel any forces on the stick, then you are pushing it too far... ease back on the stick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif (Stick is very precise near center.)

On the negative side:
- Trigger button has a click in it... too bad the switch doesn't kick in just then, that happens somewhat later.
- FFB mechanism is a joke. The feel of grinding gears is even worse than with MS FFB sticks.
- It's not suited for prop plane sims
- (...)

(No judgement on pedals or throttle, it's not relevant when the stick is that useless...)

Concluding:
<span class="ev_code_RED">Oh dear, I'm so spoiled by my Guillemot FFB!</span> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(Will unpack it sometime in the near future, to try and see whether I can get used to it... maybe I'm not too old to get used to something new http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif)


Oh well...

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-19-2009, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
What if I find I don't like the G940? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Sell it to me, lol! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok. No problem.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well it is USED now, so there would need to be a pretty good discount, lol! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

FoolTrottel
11-19-2009, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
What if I find I don't like the G940? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Sell it to me, lol! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok. No problem.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well it is USED now, so there would need to be a pretty good discount, lol! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Shipping it over to you would cancel your discount out is my guess http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-19-2009, 12:29 PM
Well this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9611058408?r=7801062508#7801062508) was the last nail in the coffin, unless someone comes out later saying they fixed it all I won't be getting this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

thefruitbat
11-19-2009, 05:18 PM
why do i know i am going to cry when my msffb2 finally gives up the ghost (9 years and going strong).

What were those idiots at MS thinking when they stopped making the best joystick going.

Yskonyn23
11-20-2009, 03:04 AM
You should have bought several then, waiting in the closet for the previous to go **** up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FoolTrottel
11-20-2009, 03:46 AM
What were those idiots at MS thinking when they stopped making the best joystick going.
They were not thinkin', they were calculating...
It had something to do with the words 'license', 'fee', 'force feedback', and Immersion company...

MS is very good at calculating you know...

TheFamilyMan
11-20-2009, 09:14 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif The G940 is NOT ready for prime time:

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/...-Problem/td-p/400826 (http://forums.logitech.com/t5/PC-Gaming/Serious-G940-Axes-Problem/td-p/400826)

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/...Deadzone/td-p/391136 (http://forums.logitech.com/t5/PC-Gaming/G940-Deadzone/td-p/391136)

That second thread is really a non-issue IMO (basically the stick becomes 'floppy' about the center), yet that mod's response boils my blood and loses them yet another potential customer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-20-2009, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by TheFamilyMan:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif The G940 is NOT ready for prime time:

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/...-Problem/td-p/400826 (http://forums.logitech.com/t5/PC-Gaming/Serious-G940-Axes-Problem/td-p/400826)

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/...Deadzone/td-p/391136 (http://forums.logitech.com/t5/PC-Gaming/G940-Deadzone/td-p/391136)

That second thread is really a non-issue IMO (basically the stick becomes 'floppy' about the center), yet that mod's response boils my blood and loses them yet another potential customer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Ok, ya lost me, what did the moderator say to make you angry? I think what he said was accurate, that the FFB slop in the center is not a hardware issue but a software on (50% game and 50% driver IMO).

TheFamilyMan
11-22-2009, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheFamilyMan:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif The G940 is NOT ready for prime time:

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/...-Problem/td-p/400826 (http://forums.logitech.com/t5/PC-Gaming/Serious-G940-Axes-Problem/td-p/400826)

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/...Deadzone/td-p/391136 (http://forums.logitech.com/t5/PC-Gaming/G940-Deadzone/td-p/391136)

That second thread is really a non-issue IMO (basically the stick becomes 'floppy' about the center), yet that mod's response boils my blood and loses them yet another potential customer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Ok, ya lost me, what did the moderator say to make you angry? I think what he said was accurate, that the FFB slop in the center is not a hardware issue but a software on (50% game and 50% driver IMO). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Guess I over-reacted a bit, but here's what got me:

1. His general statement about sims expecting a sloppy controllers. Sort of infers that their stick is too good for the current batch of popular sims and thus "too bad for you".

2. Would rather kill zombies than master the finesse required for a serious CFS, which is not good for understanding the needs of serious sim heads while supposedly providing support for them.

KG26_Alpha
11-24-2009, 02:57 PM
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10156

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-24-2009, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by KG26_Alpha:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10156

Interesting, I may have to reconsider my prior dismissal of this product.

TheGrunch
11-24-2009, 05:48 PM
The guys over at Lockonfiles (http://www.lockonfiles.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=447&mode=&order=0&thold=0) seemed to like it as well.

AngryGuy
12-23-2009, 10:34 AM
Sorry to bring this topic back up but I do have a question for anyone who purchased the G940. If I don't like the stick, is it possible to use the throttle and pedals with my CH fighterstick? Hearing about the force feedback slop has me worried, but the pedals and throttle look fantastic.

I got the G940 for the same price that I would have paid for just the ch pedals and throttle so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on it.

Chivas
12-23-2009, 11:34 AM
I bought the G940 a month or so ago. It was just OK, and yesterday I reinstalled my more precise MSFF2, Cougar Throttle, and Saitek Rudder Pedals.

The killer was the loose center, centering forces, and rough FFB implementation. The constant unneccessary force changes made accurate shooting in a timely manor more difficult than it should be.

Yes... you could use the G940 system with your CH Fighterstick, but the joystick would still have to be connected, but put out of the way.

edit...I will wait and see if things are improved with a driver update, but I'm not holding my breath. The Logitech tech support in the forums have not said if they intend to support or improve the existing drivers. I'm not even sure that the joystick mechanics can be improved with a driver change. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Sokol__1
12-23-2009, 02:30 PM
If I don't like the stick, is it possible to use the throttle and pedals with my CH fighterstick?

G940 stick circuit control throttle and pedal.
You need to install all, leave stick as "trim box" and use Fighterstick to fly.

IL-2 (for example) recognize four different controllers. Some old games recognize only one.

To overcome Dimput axis limitation (8) G940 system is tree virtual individual controllers for Windows and games. So you stay in four limit of IL-2.

Sokol1

Sokol__1
12-23-2009, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Sokol__1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> If I don't like the stick, is it possible to use the throttle and pedals with my CH fighterstick?

G940 stick circuit control throttle and pedal.
You need to install all, leave stick as "trim box" and use Fighterstick to fly - plus G940 throttle and pedal.

IL-2 (for example) recognize four different controllers. Some old games recognize only one.

To overcome Dimput axis limitation (8) G940 system is tree virtual individual controllers for Windows and games. So you stay in four limit of IL-2.

Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fogmaster_
12-23-2009, 02:33 PM
well I went out on a limb after earning a crapload of overtime last week and bought the damn thing! I have played with it for about 4 days as now I am on vacation and away from the house.

Before I go ahead and post a lil mini review, know this... I currently own a FULL CH HOTAS setup. That's the Pro Throttle, Pro Pedals, and Fighterstick.

After 4 days or so of hard flying with the thing, I am putting up my CH stuff for SALE!


PRO's:

- Force Feedback is awesome! yes there is a lil bit of deadstick in the center but it can be overcome by the initial sensitivity of your joystick say from 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 to 25 50 75 100 100 100 100 100 100.

- 5 Analogue Axis to play with! Thats 3 trim wheels on the stick and 2 axis on the throttle. I use the two on the throttle for flaps and prop pitch. I dont know W T F that CH is thinking not including these. This ALONE is enough to warrent the new purchase!

- Great ergonmics. I love the CH but it doesnt feel as good as the G940 in my hands. The throttle is much smoother and does not wiggle around. It feels SOLID under my hand, not like a toy made from cheap plastic.

- Wider pedals. While the pedals themselves are not wider, the footrests are, which helps aleviate the "nutcracker" effect of the CH pedals. Anyone who does not own them... if you are male, you may want to be aware of this little problem.

- Easy set up. I found that for my needs the Logitech was much easier to calibrate and set up than the CH was. The interface makes way more sense and you don't have to "download" each new layout every time you want to fly. That really ****es me off about ch!

- ONE USB PORT! This is a big one, the CH Hotas takes up 3 (*POWERED*) USB ports. I had to install a new PCI USB card for the CH. The Logitech only takes 1.

- Toe Brakes actually work. The toe brakes on the pedals actually work. My CH ones would randomly lock up and were prone to turn me into a lawn dart with no notice.

- Less force required to push the pedals. Self explanitory, the dead zone doesnt require nearly as much force to get out of as does the ch.

- Dual Stage Trigger. Come on!! Why does CH not include this?! its supposed to be an f16 replica stick isn't it?


ok now on the cons.

Cons:

- Overheating. - After a good 4 hours of flying my FFB went out. The stick went limp and gave slight resistance, but no shaking while stalling or any other goodies. I felt the bottom of the stick and it was HOT!

- Coolie hat. This may or may not be a con to some people. The Coolie hat on the joystick does not click, it moves freely like a mini-stick. I am used to the clicking of my CH.

- Auto center can be too strong - This one can be adjusted through the ctrl panel but it started to hurt my wrists at the default settings...


OK. There you have it folks

wheelsup_cavu
12-25-2009, 02:03 PM
Thanks Fogmaster. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
It's always nice to get a review from someone who is actually using the product.


Wheels

Fogmaster_
12-30-2009, 08:29 AM
I think that it is only fair to report back on the review. I am returning my CH tomorrow to Frys for a full refund.

I am on G940 #2 and I still have the overheating problem.

I also am having a problem I don't think I mentioned in the review above. The coolie hat on the joystick needs to be calibrated every day, sometimes multiple times. It likes to stick in the up position and this makes flying very annoying.

I went back to the CH last night and I don't remember what made me want to leave it in the first place...

I think Ima get a throttle quad to quench my thirst for trims

panther3485
12-30-2009, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Fogmaster_:
I think that it is only fair to report back on the review. I am returning my CH tomorrow to Frys for a full refund.

I am on G940 #2 and I still have the overheating problem.

I also am having a problem I don't think I mentioned in the review above. The coolie hat on the joystick needs to be calibrated every day, sometimes multiple times. It likes to stick in the up position and this makes flying very annoying.

I went back to the CH last night and I don't remember what made me want to leave it in the first place...

I think Ima get a throttle quad to quench my thirst for trims

I'm confused now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif In the first line you say you are returning the CH but just before the end, you said you went back to the CH and couldn't remember what made you want to leave it.

Which set is better, the CH (which is what I have now) or the G940?

Maico_249th
12-30-2009, 11:29 PM
A few months ago I wrote this: I really like the stick now.

"I have just been notified by Amazon that my Logitech G940 is on its way!!! I will post my findings after about a week of use. I have X-52 + MSFFB2. My first stick in 2000 was a Logitech 30 dollar(cheap)stick. It lasted years and I gave it to a kid still servicible. Next I had a Saitek X-45(by itself) for two years. My current setup is the Saitek X-52 with the Microsoft FFB2. The Saitek throttle is the best. Other than a dead button(on my X-45) I have never had a problem with Saitek in all these years. Oh, I tried the Saitek Cyborg but it was not really good force feedback. I also bought a new CH fighterstick. I tried it for a bit but It was awkard and BIG. Too big for my hands and I wear medium gloves. This is now the dust collector. I allways go back to the Microsoft FFB2. SO , I bought 3 (just in case).

When the G940 comes it will go on my secondary Pit. If this becomes my primary then you will know its a success. On paper the G940 looks and sounds like the best thing since sliced bread. The answer to all simmers dreams. But lets see what happens."


Today, after a long wait it has finnally arrived at my home. Now I have only worked with mine for a couple of hours. I also need the new software that Logitech released.
For a detailed review read this great article by Beach AV8R.
http://www.simhq.com/_technolo...technology_155a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_155a.html)


Here is my review
Bottom line up front; I built a second "pit". Ok its a desk with some controllers on it. The rig is a Intel 3.0 dual proc, DDR3 x 2Gigs, EVGA 9600 1Gig video and WinXp Pro. I will keep my other pit running and test untill I either adopt the G940 or go back to my X-52 and MSFFB2.

My order came in while I was vacationing in Thailand. I came home and had the box waiting for me. I busted open a box that is deceptively small. It was well packaged with lots of padding . Once you have the components in your hands they are good size. They dont feel like toys. Logitech did a good job of getting it all in this small a box. When it comes time to move I will be happy to have this box.

Pedals:
Pedals are nice but not huge. Mr. Thunder Thighs will have to make them wider. For the rest of us, the pedals will feel good. They have a metal surface that adds to the realism. An adjustment knob adds resistance and retractable carpet anti skid pads. I deployed these on my carpet and the pedals do not move at all. I will give the pedals an initial 8.5 out of 10. The only thing is they could be a bit wider. I will try to program brakes tonight.

Ahh, the Stick.
The stick is not huge like my beautifull CH Fighterstick. I did not like the CH because of its Huge feeling in my hands. The CH has a weird feeling. Changing from X axis to Y axis is not smooth. You feel as thou the CH is on a rails, and not in a good way. The G940 felt good as far as grip was concerned. However button placement felt like my thumb had a long way to go to some of the buttons. With practice and time this may disapear. Again the MSFFB2 buttons feel a little more reachable. You cant have your cake and eat it too. I like having two HATs at my thumb's disposal. The trim wheels and knob are the best addition EVER. They will handle my Elevator, Aileron and Rudder trim. As far as movement with the G940, the feeling was smooth. There was a bit of deadzone in the stick. It felt a bit "loose". So I dont know how this will affect precision. Force Feedback was surprising. First off, it is Very adjustable in the GUI from nearly nothing to really hard. There is a lot to play with here since there are about four individual settings for force feedback. During flight I was given a lot of feedback. Regular flying felt good but different than my MSFFB2. It will take some getting used to. Another feature was Gun Recoil. It is minimized making you feel a bit isolated from the action. I thinks this is in response to complaints about the FFB spoiling the players aim. So it Is a compromise. As a big FFB fan I did not think I would like it. I was WRONG. Two Mig3 kills later, I was liking the minimal feedback from the guns. The stick gets an 8. However the jury is still out, and I will continue to test.

The Throttle.
Welcome is the F-15 style throttle with split left and right. More buttons at your fingertips than ever before. Then there is the base buttons. Oh, how I love the X-52s buttons. However now there are 8 instead of 6 switches. . WOW, with three modes plus a shift button I am ready to take over the galaxy. Ok, I canít overemphasize that you got more buttons than you can possibly program. Two wheels on the throttle will handle prop pitch and flaps.
While it looks great it is not as comfy as the X-52 throttle. Now I know what you might be thinking, "You want comfort, go sit on the couch" However, I have spent a bunch of years with my hands sitting on top of a X-45/X52 throttle and they are very comfortable. This is again, something that I may get used to with time.

I will continue to test this hardware and post my impressions on here. Stay tuned.

DAY ONE
understand that things like this are not bought or created in a day. My first day ends up in frustration as I try to sort out Logitechís GUI. WOW this is bad. I really hope I can figure out how to assign buttons. I have had it!!!!!!! End of day one.

DAY TWO
Ok, I had to walk away last night and have a brew with my friends. Today I am going to try to figure out Logitech's interface. So, does anyone know how to use it? I tried to make a profile but could not get the stick to show the keys I programed. For example, I would program "L" into a button but when I open notepad or the game "L" does not show. In game I get " Button 3 ID1" or something like that. What I would like to see happen is to have all the commands programed like i.e. Weapon 1 would be "K" (for example) Can someone give me the "Idiots Guide" to programing ?

Got home after a long day yesturday. Sat at the pc and took out my excell profile for the stick. I spent a few minutes rearanging things then flew for two hours.
The stick is awesome. The feel is solid and force feedback is good. It is still a little too strong but there is a lot of adjustments to play with. It may take a while to find a setting that suits me. Flying around in a Komet against a bomber stream I found the stick very precise. My aiming got better(I still suck but not as bad) The pedals are excellent. They feel a lot better than my CH set. They are also very precise. In a climbing zoom I put in the tiniest adjustments with the pedals and got steel on target. It was amazing. The Logitech throttle still takes some getting used to after years of my comfy X-52. The rotaries are really handy and much more precise than the ones on the X52. If I had to fault one thing on the Saitek it is the rotaries. I could never get the trim to work with me. That is now changed. The rotaries on the G940 are easy to access and work like a charm. They only thing they lack are detents. This was a hell of an oversight.
From accross the room I can feel the old rig jealously looking at me

The bottom line is that I really like this stick. I will fly with it for the rest of the week then try my X-52/MSFFB2 again. Chances are I will come back to stay with the Logitech.
One last thought. The Saitek X-65F is in the works and word on the street is that it will be available fo

Sharpe26
12-31-2009, 04:49 AM
G940 owner since day 1 of release here in the Netherlands chiming in.

I'm very very happy with it.

The rotaries are excellent for prop pritch and trim assorted stuf. The buttons are excellent for assigning functions such as landing gear.

It's the stick I'm a little worried about. Sure the FFB gives a heck of a kick, but going full speed at take off on some kind of grass meadow will very probably do that. A fun way in measuring this is taking off by using just the throttle and the rotarys and the pedals.

The throw of the stick is what is worrying.Despite trim I tend to throw the stick a little, and feel the gears and motors.

edit: forgot the pedals. I have size 13 feet. and these pedals fit my feet like a glove. A big improvement in comparison to the thrustmaster elite pedals I had previously. It's really neat that you can also adjust the tension on them....