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MS_Siwarrior
05-18-2005, 02:08 AM
I was flying online on 334th (i think) and i was chasing this b-25 in a FW190, i shot up the b-25 to the point where it was on fire, one of its engines were blown off and the other wan't working and it was in a stall.
Then this other guy (on my team) comes along and puts a few rounds into the bomber and he gets the kill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

So then (i was mad)i got in behind my team mate who stole my kill and shot him down.
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Should i feel bad ?

IL2-chuter
05-18-2005, 02:13 AM
sure . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

LEBillfish
05-18-2005, 02:16 AM
Very bad, horribly bad.....Granted, what your team mate did was just as bad, but we all know two wrongs don't make a right.

There is really only one way to purge yourself of this "IL2/PF Sin"......That being to send a minimum of $20.00 U.S. to the address I will send to you once you post all other transgressions here.

Now that sounds like a lot...but just remember, in the old days they stoned (bricked) people....Old days being WWI that is until they decided to use pistols....But that's another story....Post your sins and I'll get back to you.

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HotelBushranger
05-18-2005, 02:24 AM
Nope! Kill the bastard! If it's that obvious that you had the kill, and the bloke had the nerve to come along and take it, he deserves every bit of lead from you he gets. The same sort of thing happened to me yesterday. In my P-40 I pulled off an impossible shot, I zoomed down perfectly vertically as this person was flying from my 11 oclock to 5 oclock. I fired a burst and flew by. Looking at him with externals, he was smoking and his propeller was ticking over http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And then some La-7 bi@tch comes up for the kill. I warned him real good not to touch him, and for once he listened and flew away. So a happy ending

But yes, if someone does do that, as in flying in at the last moment without participating in the dogfight, then he deserved it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Atomic_Marten
05-18-2005, 03:19 AM
Did they kicked you out of 334th team?

arcadeace
05-18-2005, 03:49 AM
I don't fly online but you have my sympathies as opposed to your teammate. Its a no no but now you feel ashamed; maybe he will too, right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Flakenstien
05-18-2005, 04:07 AM
Well the way I see it as this happens to me almost everytime I fly is screw it.
You yourself know that you did the hard work that is all that matters, I dont even bother with looking at a score mainly becasue it is never consistent, such as shooting the same type target and getting different points for said target.

Kill stealers are a nusance and are the ones that lack enough skill to do the inital damage.
They are also the ones that forget the most important aspect of combat is teamwork. Instead of shooting him down you should just wing with him and get in the final spray of ammo on his targets, do this a few times and he may get the picture http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But better yourself by taking pride in a job well done and hell with what the scoreboard states http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MS_Siwarrior
05-18-2005, 05:28 AM
I didn't get kicked- i left
Now i fly mostly on full real servers , their much more fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaFireLIV
05-18-2005, 05:40 AM
Personally I think it`s childish. Y`see, it may not have been totally clear that the bomber was finished, maybe the other flyer thought you needed the help. I don`t know the whole circumstances...

But you should`ve warned him it was your kill rather than shooting him down for what may have been a simple misunderstanding. Is this perhaps why you feel guilty?

Your both on the same side. Personally, I don`t like kill stealers, but I wouldn`t shoot them down for it. I wouldn`t have you on my side.

Tomas_W
05-18-2005, 05:44 AM
MS_Siwarrior, you did the right thing. Hopefully he or she will think twice about such parasitic behaviour in the future.

It happens to me once in a while when i play offline, which is bloody annoying;
I hit the enemy plane, engine stops, pilot jumps out, no need to waste more effort and ammo right? definitely one more for the list right? Wrong! Some bloody worm from my flight comes and finishes off a plane that's already killed and i get no score at all for it.

So, instead of winning the war by trying to down the enemy planes with minimum effort i'll have to make sure that the kill becomes mine. That is: shoot at it either until it explodes or is on the way straight down instead of heading for another target when it's obvious that the first plane is no longer a threat and that it will hit the ground in a short while.

Another annoyning issue about kills;
I'm flying in an F4F, Zero chasing me, Zero coming from head on. The one from head on is put on fire by my machinegun burst. It flies past me and collides with the Zero that's chasing me. Two kills for me? No, zero(pun intended)kills for me : (

Cworth
05-18-2005, 08:30 AM
This problem bugs me to no end.

What bugs me even more are the ones that will come up behind you as you are shooting at a target and he starts firing and nearly hits you forcing you to break off the attack so as to not get hit from his shells.I usually just move onto the next target but sometimes I will manuver just enough to cause him to hit me and knock me out...I figure if he is going to try and take my kill then he's going to have a friendly kill on his score as well.

Iron_Hand1
05-18-2005, 09:18 AM
It is a very irritating problem, along with people "shooting over your shoulder" and I see it a lot on the 334th server (as in others) but I like their server so I try not to let it piss me off. I think it's mostly done by newer players, or players not used to playing on a squad or team.
But.. I have shot down friendlies for doing it, especially when the enemy was a good pilot and made me work hard for the kill.
Mainly though, I just make sure NEVER to help the offender when he gets someone on his six, and have actually turned away from a bogie to fly off and look for another, or let the bogie kill him before firing my first shot at the bogie. Once the offender gets shot down a few times this way, he is usually gone anyway.

~S~

NL_snake_eye_NL
05-18-2005, 09:36 AM
I had a kill steal last night but it was not my fault that i stole it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif cause i did not see smoke, did not see fuel spraying out and did not see any other fighters. When i see those things i leave the plane alone.

greets Snake eye

ZG77_Nagual
05-18-2005, 09:55 AM
In my opinion we should be able to disable the points counter for online servers.

LEBillfish
05-18-2005, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by ZG77_Nagual:
In my opinion we should be able to disable the points counter for online servers.

Propose it in ORR...I'd support that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hunde_3.JG51
05-18-2005, 10:50 AM
Agreed about "no points" option, unfortunately you would still encounter just as much kill stealing on servers with stats http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

As for the original post, I don't think you should have shot him down. I hate kill stealing as much as anyone, but just handle it verbally (but keep it clean) so everyone knows what he has done. At least he has the chance to apologize or explain himself. If he keeps doing it he will look like an idiot anyway, and will lose respect as a result.

Chivas
05-18-2005, 11:02 AM
Your on the same side and should be helping each other out. What you see in that few seconds on your computer may not be what your team mate sees.

I've been shot a few times by badly damaged aircraft that teammates have left for dead. I say blow his wings off and worry about points later. It will even out in the end.

Fly as team and win the fight.

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Owlsphone
05-18-2005, 11:39 AM
Here's how I see it:

Who cares about the points anyway? Let's face it, the reason you shot down your buddy was because he stole your points.

When I get a kill stolen, I don't really mind do you know why? Because I know that I shot down that plane, and thats all the gratification I need. I dont need 100 points on the scoreboard to tell me I made a good shot and got a kill.

If someone is going to stoop to a level where they purposefully steal kills, well, that's on him. I can't imagine getting satisfaction shooting planes that are on their way down.

But seriously, think about what I said. You knew you shot down that B25 right? Isn't that what matters? I'd rather think that I am a better pilot than that kill stealing guy and forget about it than get -300 for a TK. He wins both ways. He gets 20 points for the bomber and you get the negative points along with everyone on the server knowing you TK your teammates.

You say you fly full real now. As a full real flyer for a while I can tell you that kill stealing will probably happen more often now because of lack of visibility in the cockpit view compared to wonderwoman view. Kill stealing is part of the game, deal with it. As long as the enemy is dead, I'm happy, regardless of who gets the kill.

Bearcat99
05-18-2005, 01:41 PM
Yes you should.. No matter what your teammates does.. even if he shoots you down.... dont return the favor. Unless of course he does it twice.... then ask the server host to boot him... and if the host is any good he will probably be a few steps ahead of you on that any way.

Get over it..... repent and sin no more ......

LeadSpitter_
05-18-2005, 01:43 PM
he deserved it, bet it made you feel better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

nickdanger3
05-18-2005, 02:13 PM
If you are playing for points then you did the right thing....your teammate/victim is less likely to "steal" your points in the future.

If you are playing to simulate WWII air combat as realistically as possible, you did the wrong thing. You get a bullet in the head IRL for such and action.

If you are playing to win the mission you did the wrong thing.

If you are playing to have fun you did the wrong thing since it seems that you have a guitly conscience or else you wouldn't have asked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Do unto others. We all know that you don't EVER steal a kill. Nevertheless, you wouldn't want a teammate to shoot you down if by some strange chance you took out a plane that somebody else "owned".

The thing that cracks me up about all of the people who freak out about kill stealers is that they are wasting ammo and typically diving after planes - i.e. they are making themselves more vulnerable and can expect a short post killsteal life. If somebody wants to throw away their virtual life, let them.

bird_brain
05-18-2005, 04:22 PM
I have never even looked at the points/stats online. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Why bother to shoot down your own teammate when you completed a successful attack. The credit only matters to the game, right? And it is still just a game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

slarsson
05-18-2005, 05:30 PM
It's pretty cheesy to steal the points when someone else has clearly made the kill, but it's even more cheesy to team kill him...

When you get annoyed at someone kill stealing from you, bear in mind:
1) The aircraft you think is dead may not be. We've all seen the black smokers fly around for 5 minutes firing at other aircraft.
2) It's sometimes impossible to tell if an attacker has disengaged because he's out of ammo, or can't catch the other a/c. It's sometimes best for the team and the mission to make sure the fleeing a/c dies.
3) Sometimes the kill stealer doesn't see the dogfight, or even the a/c which damaged the opposition a/c, and just attacks. Maybe a noob thing, but not meant to be a steal.
4) It's only a game

I remember a month or two ago, I was on the tail of another a/c on one of the HL servers. It doesn't happen too often..that's why I remember it. I got some good hits on the bandit and got him smoking, and he started to do the slow barrel-roll thingy. Rather than overshoot, I went high and inverted and then choped power and prepared to dive on him again to get on his six. Before I could do that, someone else zoomed down and fired at the bandit. I'm not sure if he hit it, but there was no firther sign of major damage. I dropped on the bandit and took off his wing. I was just circling to view one of my rare "enemy aircraft destroyed" when the guy who had taken a pot shot at the bandit got on my six and destroyed my engine.
Before I baled, I put into the chat "Hey, XXX, what are you doing firing on a teammate." XXX didn't reply, but a pal of his did: "You stole his kill, so he punished you." Very mature!.
But on reflection, the guy may not have realised he was actually stealing MY kill! I don't think that excuses such childishness, though.

danger13
05-18-2005, 05:50 PM
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Should i feel bad ?

one word mate

"HONNOR"

PLUS in a team game, it aint WHO gets the kill, its that a kill is made.......

Hairball_1
05-18-2005, 06:20 PM
You have nothing to be ashamed of. This is a game, not real life. You dispensed your own brand of vigilante justice, and the kill-stealer knew he had it coming, too! I woulda done the same thing.
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carguy_
05-18-2005, 07:39 PM
Never done it though maybe every 5th of my kills is stolen online.I`m mad but what can I do.I consider it stupid and when I take some deep breaths I stop caring about it.

zaelu
05-19-2005, 08:47 AM
Was in WW2 invented the server that said: "enemy aircraft destroyed"? No? Good.

I never mind if someone kills the enemy plane that I doomed. Ok, I mind sometimes but I fight it... is egoism.
Somemate could be followed by an enemy and I manage to "bag" him and I pop his engine out or something... then my mate filled with anger put few rounds in that tumbling plane... he gets the kill... so what? He's my squadmate or simply... on my side.
Il-2 FB AeP PF is NOT a MMORPG. Next is somebody buing somebodyelse pilot on some virtual war server.
I refuse to take this game as a fight for a darn statistic number.

jeroenrepk
05-19-2005, 09:07 AM
I would never shoot down my team mate, whatever he does to me. Shooting down a plane that is allready on flames is a bit childish, but in most other occations the other pilot might have been in a long zoom towards the ennemy, you beat him to it, turned around and the other guy doesn't see that the ennemy is allready finnished and kills him.

Jumoschwanz
05-19-2005, 09:40 AM
I vote shoot the bastard down.

On a server last night I was on the tail of a foe and hitting him good, the whole time I had tracers coming over my shoulder. A member of a squad was shooting past me at my target.

I asked him what the he11 he was doing and he said "you were taking too long". What an ***wipe!

Then a bit later I flamed another foe, as it went toward the ground in flames and black smoke the same ***h0le dove on it, shot a few rounds into it and stole the kill.

I typed in the chat "shoulder shooting, kill stealing, you really wrote the book on being a piece of ****!"

HIs reply was, "with all your observations you would think you could clear a six". What? WTF does that mean?

It comes down to this: Those who's behaviour falls in this catagory simply are missing some element of humanity that lets genuine human beings act with honesty and integrity. These are real sociopath-wack jobs that you would probably not want to keep company with in actual person either. Surely this behaviour extends to every aspect of their lives and relationships, not just in gaming.

So, they are incapable of understanding any attempt to teach them humanity using conventional methods. So blast the ***holes out of the sky! It is the only thing that will get the attention of thier small minds. Just the same if they stole your wallet in real life and you caught them, it would be a waste of time trying to teach them it was wrong, just hit them in the head with a bat. Then slowly, like a small child who burns his hand touching a stove burner, the idiot might change his behaviour patterns.

Almost all my friendly kills in online servers are shooting shoulder shooters and other morons. I figure if they need action and entertainment bad enough to walk all over someone else, then I will give them some, right in the a$$!
S!

Jumoschwanz

VW-IceFire
05-19-2005, 12:09 PM
With the level of kill stealing present these days...its not a huge stretch for me to say, YEAH...shoot that guy down for being an idiot.

I detest team killing but I've been brought to the point by several people who continue to kill steal against all avail and common sense.

danjama
05-19-2005, 03:30 PM
Im on the 334th and if any of you have consistent problems with a pilot on there, i will try to have him banned! Email me the pilots name, and ill pass on to freebird. Ok guys. I was on the 334th and some guy on my team kept spawning next to me, and dropping his load killing me and any1 else in vicinity. He is now banned. What a c0ck. Didnt he realise i was a 334th pilot lol. my email is danjama@hotmail.com

Hrdina
05-19-2005, 08:52 PM
The important question is whether, after you shot down the kill-stealer, you went back and shot him out from under his parachute just to make certain that you got your point across.

FA_Kook
05-20-2005, 07:00 AM
mmmm.........nah.

masaker2005
05-20-2005, 07:56 AM
I would shot down him to!

NAFP_supah
05-20-2005, 01:27 PM
Lets see what an expert of fighter aviation thought about the matter, in the words of Chuck Earl Yeager "There were still others who would fire a quick burst, then quickly break off; or watch somebody else hammer an airplane, then, when the German was already windmilling and going down, dive in and fire a quick burst, then try to share credit for the kill. I had a guy do that to me. Believe me, he never did it again."

My advice, behaviour like that is best moderated by action and not talk http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif