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Akronnick
02-13-2007, 12:43 AM
Since 4.08 was released I get the feeling that people are less than satisfied with the state of the sim as it stands in what may be the final revision.

Name just about any plane, P-38, 109, Spitfire, (Oddly enough not the P-51) and I'll bet there's a thread on the first page with forum members bemoaning what Oleg has done to their favorite plane.

Are we all really this dissatisfied?

Or is this like the let down that comes two weeks after your favorite team wins the championship.

If this is the final patch (which has not been confirmed yet) are we trying to find fault with it so that Oleg 'has to' give us one more just to fix what was messed up between 4.071 and 4.08?

Do we really need the expectation of upcoming patches/add-ons to keep us interested in Il-2? I for one believe that the end to furthur revision may actually be a good thing, because now we can finally play the game.

There are 229 flyable aircraft, how many of those do you know, really know, how to get the most out of them?

How many of the stock, let alone user made, campaigns have you completed?

Even if Maddox Games never touches Il-2 again, I'm sure there's enough content to keep me occupied for years.

A lot of flight sims are nothing but fluff, and they need ongoing new content just to keep people talking about them. Il-2 is not fluffy by any stretch of the imagination.

229 flyable planes...
Dozens of maps...
Years of continuing development...

It's been a great run. Here's hoping the Storm of War series can live up to Il-2's legacy. I for one think that if all we are expecting is for SoW to equal Il-2's reputation and popularity, we will all be pleasantly overwhelmed.

LT.INSTG8R
02-13-2007, 03:09 AM
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GH_Klingstroem
02-13-2007, 05:09 AM
I dunno, people seem very happy with 4.08!! Including me!!!

major_setback
02-13-2007, 05:46 AM
Final patch blues, and hopefully final patch reds. Waiting; hoping. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Diablo310th
02-13-2007, 06:44 AM
I am more than happy with it save the fire starting abilities of the 50's. I love everything about it so far. My Jug rocks.

JG52Uther
02-13-2007, 07:24 AM
I am very happy with 4.08.I think people are just a little worried that some of the concerns they have (whether justified or not) will now never be sorted.

MEGILE
02-13-2007, 07:29 AM
If the game was to remain in this state until BoB is released.... I could live with it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bearcat99
02-13-2007, 10:43 AM
No blues here..... I am loving it all. I look forward to BoB.. but Ill be flying this suim for a while. At least until SoW moves to 42-43.

crazyivan1970
02-13-2007, 10:45 AM
There was a nice summary at sukhoi.ru for entire IL2 series:

110 airplane types
303 airplanes
229 flyable planes
1806 airplanes (based on weapons configuration)

80 maps

150 missions
50 campaigns
70 online missions and campaigns

pacettid
02-13-2007, 10:56 AM
I think 4.08 is awesome.

I have been in this hobby for about 6 years, and have been playing the IL2 series for about 4 of those years, and I can assure you that not everyone has been completely happy with any patch or update, but...It beats anything else out there, and Oleg's dedication to this community has been outstanding.

I think CrazyIvan's post above is a very nice list of what Oleg and his development team have delivered to the combat flight sim community, and that will be the sims legacy, NOT the ad nauseam discussions about flight models, the power of .50 cal. MGs, and the opinions of self-proclaimed experten.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-13-2007, 11:16 AM
Try (I know it's difficult for some) to imagine yourself 3 years ago and being handed the gift of 4.08

If you're honest with yourself, you would likely be impressed. It's mildly sad for those that seem to say consistently bad things about this sim. Regardless of all the minor (and some major) issues about UBI, 1:C or even individuals, the fact remains this sim is amazing in its level of detail and sheer scope. Not to mention the countless hours of playability we get both online and off.

Helluva ride...and it's not even over yet!


TB

Chris0382
02-13-2007, 12:18 PM
I agree with the original poster but a question comes up

How hard would it be to fix stuff like tiny airplanes and ground objects etc and correct some of the obvious flight flaws and make autopilot smarter (so we can make a cup of tea while the 30 min flight to the target is in progress).

We dont all know if its hard or not so we assume its as simple as an easy patch.

Not to mention the hardware in set-up is ancient hardware for yesteryears computers.

-HH- Beebop
02-13-2007, 01:18 PM
Not to start an argument here but...
Originally posted by Chris0382:
I agree with the original poster but a question comes up

How hard would it be to fix stuff like tiny airplanes and ground objects etc and correct some of the obvious flight flaws and make autopilot smarter (so we can make a cup of tea while the 30 min flight to the target is in progress). We dont all know if its hard or not so we assume its as simple as an easy patch.
Thats quite a bit of coding in itself. There is no such thing as an 'easy' or 'simple' patch. One thing that seems true about this game engine is when a change is made 'here', it affects something else over 'there'. There are so many 'here's' and 'there's' that with the depth of the game as it stands, testing for all possible glithces becomes very time consuming. As witnessed with previous patches it's near impossible. Beta testing can only go so far. For instance, I have beta tested several missions for various community members and it takes one or two evenings of solid play and examination in the FMB to try and find all the possible errors/glitches and/or fixes and then report back to the builder so they can decide what is valid for their needs. What pleases me may not please anyone else. At this point Oleg has said that the 1C team is devoting 100% of it's time and energy to SoW:BoB so I don't expect anything to be "fixed". Fortunately there's not that much that needs fixing that is vital to the game. Sure, I'd like customizable skins for Stationary Aircraft too but it's not all that important, at least to me.

Not to mention the hardware in set-up is ancient hardware for yesteryears computers.
But remember, when this engine was unveiled, it was heads and shoulders above anything that was out there. Even in it's "antiquated" state it's a better game engine than many other current offerings in the same vein.

My 2 Kopecks.

Lucius_Esox
02-13-2007, 05:51 PM
End of am era,,, it's a long time since 2001.

Bit sad here.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Brain32
02-13-2007, 06:06 PM
Name just about any plane, P-38, 109, Spitfire, (Oddly enough not the P-51) and I'll bet there's a thread on the first page with forum members bemoaning what Oleg has done to their favorite plane.
Ofcourse there is and I don't understand the lack of understanding about this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
When the last patch comes out - it's over, period, done, burried, gone, expired...
There will simply be no reason to even start such a thread for months maybe even more than a year http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Now I know NOBODY will admit it, but those threads were fun. If they weren't and if they were only upseting for you(you as in anybody that ever posted in such a thread) then why to he11 did you participate?
Not only where they fun, they were also quite educational don't you think?
Those threads also speak a lot about il2 as a game/product, if it wasn't so exceptional you think anybody would bother like that, I don't think so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I know that we are currently fed up with it, but I'm telling ya', six months from now you will miss a good 10pager P51/109/190/Spitfire thread...

F0_Dark_P
02-13-2007, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
There was a nice summary at sukhoi.ru for entire IL2 series:

110 airplane types
303 airplanes
229 flyable planes
1806 airplanes (based on weapons configuration)

80 maps

150 missions
50 campaigns
70 online missions and campaigns
that is cuite much when you se it like that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Anyway i love this patch, but sure i wont say no to one more http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But til then thanx Oleg and you all for this one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

heywooood
02-13-2007, 06:50 PM
Even though we should be able to run it for a good while yet...(That is until Mr Softie O/S's it out the door)...I plan to keep these discs in my desk drawer in perpetuity, as a reminder to what great customer/product support is supposed to be...

As well as a reminder of, or monument to, the very best PC combat flight simulator of its time.

Thanks to all who worked and continue to work to make it happen.

Feathered_IV
02-13-2007, 06:59 PM
Another happy customer here.

All I could wish for is the ability to disable AI nav-lights, so we can enjoy this sim 24 hours a day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Akronnick
02-13-2007, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Name just about any plane, P-38, 109, Spitfire, (Oddly enough not the P-51) and I'll bet there's a thread on the first page with forum members bemoaning what Oleg has done to their favorite plane.
Ofcourse there is and I don't understand the lack of understanding about this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
When the last patch comes out - it's over, period, done, burried, gone, expired...
There will simply be no reason to even start such a thread for months maybe even more than a year http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Now I know NOBODY will admit it, but those threads were fun. If they weren't and if they were only upseting for you(you as in anybody that ever posted in such a thread) then why to he11 did you participate?
Not only where they fun, they were also quite educational don't you think?
Those threads also speak a lot about il2 as a game/product, if it wasn't so exceptional you think anybody would bother like that, I don't think so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I know that we are currently fed up with it, but I'm telling ya', six months from now you will miss a good 10pager P51/109/190/Spitfire thread... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you think that the end of patches will mean the end of whines? I have a feeling (although I don't have a track, sorry Tagert) that FM/DM/.50's are porked threads will continue probably long after most of us are long past caring. Sometime around 2015 there will be two forum members trying to get the last word about the relative turn performance of the Spit vs. the 109, even though neither of them has had Il-2 installed on their system for five years.

WWMaxGunz
02-13-2007, 07:54 PM
There is no way everyone can be pleased. Too many (not all! maybe not even most) have pictures in their minds based on (important words there are "based on") what history they have been able to pick up on including a hefty percentage of outright lies and compounded with a process on information filtering they do themselves, all new information is filtered through old "knowledge" and what does not match is cast aside.

The views created are individual and tend to vary a small zmount to a great deal. No way that even a majority of those so "trained" will ever be happy with anything. Some will and more will not.

How much chance that all gamers with IL2 series will be happy when IRL the ones that had the real planes in the real times were known to b!tch incessantly as hehe; there are many many quotes about WWII pilots and fighter pilots in general to be heavy into complaining about their planes at least to their maintenance people. So perhaps the moaning whiners are another "realism" just like was real? Sad but true?

Chris0382
02-14-2007, 06:46 AM
I believe then this is good as it gets for a sophisticated sim. Im happy with it. It blows away MC-CFS3 IMO.

TC_Stele
02-14-2007, 10:28 AM
I'm happy with it. Got a few more maps, some issues were addressed, maybe not all, but I'm very happy.

CMHQ_Rikimaru
02-14-2007, 11:07 AM
Well, im still not happy about dive/energy characteristics of all planes, which was prooved on another forum, the same with very low speed flight characteristics. And i will never forgive Oleg how he has modelled kommandogerat this way.

Manu-6S
02-14-2007, 11:20 AM
Who cares? The game is over... let's wait BoB to restart the show. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Aymar_Mauri
02-14-2007, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by CMHQ_Rikimaru:
Well, im still not happy about dive/energy characteristics of all planes, which was prooved on another forum, the same with very low speed flight characteristics. And i will never forgive Oleg how he has modelled kommandogerat this way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Spitpest
02-14-2007, 11:32 AM
The list of possible things i would love to see is long

TAXY waypoints
different loadout and naming corrections for the BF 110 G 2
the ability to place an object IE Bike on top of a nother ie Truck or Barge or ship

but

looking at the 1.0 verion i installed a few weeks ago, to get the scope right

this, this product of imagination, support and creativity, dedication and research

is amazing

been doing Cfs3 for years, and am glad of the constant quality of Il-2FB...and what it has come to.

High Hopes and dreams are on BoB, and i will use that when SOW hits 1941, the Spits have Cannons and new carburators the Friedrich is out and the Wellington is being sent to Berlin.

Chris0382
02-14-2007, 12:31 PM
I have to add that there should be a patch to add a good detailed BOB map or allow us to make one and integrate it into the program. The BOB game is almost a year away and till then a good proper BOB map would be reasonable. If one exists, I wouldnt know as a recent campaign used a diff. map.

I dont plan on getting BOB as Im not going to do a major comp upgrade for a few years. If any, it will be a 7900GTX and some higher powered socket 939 CPU that goes with the DDR ram I just upgraded. I not chasing a game just because it comes out when I am just starting with IL-2.