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fordfan25
07-14-2005, 12:50 PM
iv done heavy testing in this sim and have come to the conclusion that the FW190A9 turns far to well. also when you are able to get it to stall, it recovers almost instantly with minor input from the user. WAY over done 1c. there is NO WAY it should turn as well as it does. also its able to fly at crazy low speeds with out stalling. absalulty wrong. why is it that all the blue teams fighters fly like UFO's while the red team is stuck in flyn bricks. .................................................. ...................

lbhskier37
07-14-2005, 12:55 PM
When I am watching TV and see a fishing show I often wonder how anyone can enjoy fishing without having a beer in their hand.

faustnik
07-14-2005, 12:57 PM
Darn Luftwhiners must have bribed Oleg! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

MEGILE
07-14-2005, 12:58 PM
WTF?! I'm sick of ths anti-blue ****!

Got track? Got Document? Got pizza? you nice?

Slechtvalk
07-14-2005, 01:00 PM
Yea something is fishy.

It's like a video driver.
They fix a few games and on the same time you get errors with others.

fordfan25
07-14-2005, 01:04 PM
dang it. be quit your scareing away all the fish. dang wipersnapers and your constant yelling and splashing around. i can see know im going to have to start doing it croc dundee style with the bOOm sticks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

faustnik
07-14-2005, 01:04 PM
No, he's right. I herd this dude's sister could out-turn Spitfires easy with the Fw190, she has a video. This other dude's uncle has a book that says the P-40 is faster than the FokerWolf, so, the sim is wrong. Oleg has been snowed by the Luftwhiners! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

fordfan25
07-14-2005, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
WTF?! I'm sick of ths anti-blue ****!

Got track? Got Document? Got pizza? you nice?


man thought i had one. took the bait right off my hook.

Slechtvalk
07-14-2005, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
No, he's right. I herd this dude's sister could out-turn Spitfires easy with the Fw190, she has a video. This other dude's uncle has a book that says the P-40 is faster than the FokerWolf, so, the sim is wrong. Oleg has been snowed by the Luftwhiners! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif


No you just loving your fw.

fordfan25
07-14-2005, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by lbhskier37:
When I am watching TV and see a fishing show I often wonder how anyone can enjoy fishing without having a beer in their hand.

beer aint worth a dang in your hand. it supose to be in your belly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fordfan25
07-14-2005, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Slechtvalk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
No, he's right. I herd this dude's sister could out-turn Spitfires easy with the Fw190, she has a video. This other dude's uncle has a book that says the P-40 is faster than the FokerWolf, so, the sim is wrong. Oleg has been snowed by the Luftwhiners! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif


No you just loving your fw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yea you tellem. and tellm to take those over moddled clown cannons mk108 with him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

faustnik
07-14-2005, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Slechtvalk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
No, he's right. I herd this dude's sister could out-turn Spitfires easy with the Fw190, she has a video. This other dude's uncle has a book that says the P-40 is faster than the FokerWolf, so, the sim is wrong. Oleg has been snowed by the Luftwhiners! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif


No you just loving your fw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha! You caught one FordFan! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (I don't think it's legal size though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif )

USAF_pilot
07-14-2005, 01:10 PM
Let me guess fordfan you are from America? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Slechtvalk
07-14-2005, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Slechtvalk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
No, he's right. I herd this dude's sister could out-turn Spitfires easy with the Fw190, she has a video. This other dude's uncle has a book that says the P-40 is faster than the FokerWolf, so, the sim is wrong. Oleg has been snowed by the Luftwhiners! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif


No you just loving your fw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yea you tellem. and tellm to take those over moddled clown cannons mk108 with him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes there is so much wrong with this sim. The problem started when Oleg started listening to others like luftwiners and old pilots with bad memory's.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

MK108 is a joke yes. Much to precise at large distances though other large and slow firing cannons got the same problem.

faustnik
07-14-2005, 01:14 PM
I've got just the right skin for this mission. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/BassSkin.jpg

jessi1
07-14-2005, 01:16 PM
I just made a delicious butter sauce to pour on the fish and the rice will be ready shortly......im gonna run to the store and get some beers what kind do you all like.......dont start without me ok.

jessi1
07-14-2005, 01:18 PM
OMG Faustnik can i get that skin please,please and pretty please, i will send you my email. that is great

Slechtvalk
07-14-2005, 01:20 PM
The biggest problem is now that nobody can argue anymore about something about what they think is not right because it will be always a whiner.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

faustnik
07-14-2005, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by jessi1:
OMG Faustnik can i get that skin please,please and pretty please, i will send you my email. that is great

FlyFish made that for me. Sure I can send it to you. PM me.

***********************

Is it time to pull the boat out, or are they still biting?

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/BassRig.jpg

F19_Olli72
07-14-2005, 01:28 PM
Dear mr Troll, must we suffer these garbage troll posts daily?

Please stop polluting the forums.

F19_Olli72
07-14-2005, 01:30 PM
A troll
http://www.fictionalworlds.com/forgotrealms/CREATURES/TROLL.jpg

MEGILE
07-14-2005, 01:34 PM
I'm with Olli. Fishing is a waste of interweb resources.
I much prefer 12 page threads on "my planes boost is bigger than yours"

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

MEGILE
07-14-2005, 01:35 PM
dam it!!!

I missed my 3333 post count http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

MEGILE
07-14-2005, 01:36 PM
Onwards and upwards to 4444 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

faustnik
07-14-2005, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Megile:
my planes boost is bigger than yoursQUOTE]

No way! Mine's bigger, I have a chart! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Atomic_Marten
07-14-2005, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Dear mr Troll, must we suffer these garbage troll posts daily?

Please stop polluting the forums.

Yes I agree, it is not really funny anymore.

Enough of this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/Atomic_Marten/Smileys/th_poop.gif

Better make up something fishworthy.

Slechtvalk
07-14-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
A troll
http://www.fictionalworlds.com/forgotrealms/CREATURES/TROLL.jpg

It looks like me! but I ain't a troll. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

MEGILE
07-14-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:


No way! Mine's bigger, I have a chart! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

My chart's bigger than yours http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

faustnik
07-14-2005, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Megile:


My chart's bigger than yours http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Darn... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

MEGILE
07-14-2005, 02:06 PM
pwned!
Oleg? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fordfan25
07-14-2005, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by USAF_pilot:
Let me guess fordfan you are from America? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sorta. im from florida http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

fordfan25
07-14-2005, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Dear mr Troll, must we suffer these garbage troll posts daily?

Please stop polluting the forums.



well he realy didnt put up much of a fight but i think ill keep him any way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
07-14-2005, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
dam it!!!

I missed my 3333 post count http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

owned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

F19_Olli72
07-14-2005, 02:48 PM
yawn

http://www.icontactweb.com/SiteArchive/ManureWatch/MW_graphics/Cow_Meter_animate.gif

LStarosta
07-14-2005, 03:19 PM
OK, it's fun once in a while, but it's getting lame now.

zimbower1
07-14-2005, 04:40 PM
Lol, the a9 of the biggest and worst turners in the game only at certain speed it can turn with spits i prefer a8 good turn rate good acceleration and well armoured just use manual prop both in high and low speeds when turning spits or cobras very effective http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/Zimbower/muppets.jpg
(Beta 04 rules)

JG27_Stacko
07-14-2005, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
iv done heavy testing in this sim and have come to the conclusion that the FW190A9 turns far to well. also when you are able to get it to stall, it recovers almost instantly with minor input from the user. WAY over done 1c. there is NO WAY it should turn as well as it does. also its able to fly at crazy low speeds with out stalling. absalulty wrong. why is it that all the blue teams fighters fly like UFO's while the red team is stuck in flyn bricks. .................................................. ...................


Please close this thread. I am sick of the red whiners trying to nerf the FW 190. The DM, the Guns, now the FM.... this stinks. If 1c nerf the 190 there will be outrage and the red whiners would of got their way. Also, what is this loser comparing the flight characteristics to? Have you ever flown an FW 190? Please stop this nonsense about the 190, stop whining and start simming.

Sick of the 190 misinformation

Regads Stax

LStarosta
07-14-2005, 05:12 PM
How much does this one weigh, Fordfan?

faustnik
07-14-2005, 05:16 PM
What's the limit?

mjr_health
07-14-2005, 05:40 PM
Must be the rivets, i counted 150 to many. Must add to the drag. Oh and the green is 2 shades to light, be nice with roses painted on it.

I dont have a boat and fish dont bite here in Aus they suck.

MEGILE
07-14-2005, 07:53 PM
dam! Mount that baby's head on the wall.

FliegerAas
07-14-2005, 09:42 PM
Again...

http://www.negativeactiongroup.at/portal/e107_plugins/coppermine_menu/albums/userpics/10075/gay_thread.jpg

Fehler
07-14-2005, 11:04 PM
You guys are all wrong!

Here is a graph that proves the FW can out turn a Spit!

http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/SpinTest.jpg


TAGERT thinks...
I plugged in the tangent of the sine of the extrapolation for the track file that accompanied this into devicelink and am totally convinced that Fehler is correct.


Oleg says...
Fehler shows PROOFS! Britwhiners are wrong, be sure! Where did they read a Spit can out turn a Wulf? Close this book and never open again!


Gibbage believes...
The .50 cal had sound detecting, radar guided bullets that, when fired from a P-38 Lightning, could actually track a FW in any turn, although we cant get it to leak fuel now...


Copperhead curses...
You jack-booted Nazi, Fehler... Just another attempt to (*&^(*& the (*&(())&^^%%^^ you JERK!


Hayateace posts...
(Insert useless pic found by Googling here}

There you have it!!!

AerialTarget
07-15-2005, 12:32 AM
Waaah! I didn't get a quote in Fehler's post!

Fehler
07-15-2005, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by AerialTarget:
Waaah! I didn't get a quote in Fehler's post!

Heh, I thought of it though... But it's hard to type and drive at the same time. (I'm at work ya know...) It's hard scanning those graphs while driving too!

rednine
07-15-2005, 12:48 AM
Yes there is so much wrong with this sim. The problem started when Oleg started listening to others like luftwiners and old pilots with bad memory's.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

MK108 is a joke yes. Much to precise at large distances though other large and slow firing cannons got the same problem.[/QUOTE]

thats preatty disrespectful of those guys man , even at 80 dude if youve been thru that s88t you would mostlikly remember

rednine
07-15-2005, 12:54 AM
fw turn rateis ****, for you spit pilots trying to turn with us at 450 -600 you better learn your plane better there buddies cause your gonna get shot down over and over and over and over again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
those making these claims should know something about corner speed i think! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

one thing i know is i cant out turn any of these plane so tose who beleive a FW can are under a grand illusion and are falling short of the knowledge of there own aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

F19_Ob
07-15-2005, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
iv done heavy testing in this sim and have come to the conclusion that the FW190A9 turns far to well. also when you are able to get it to stall, it recovers almost instantly with minor input from the user. WAY over done 1c. there is NO WAY it should turn as well as it does. also its able to fly at crazy low speeds with out stalling. absalulty wrong. why is it that all the blue teams fighters fly like UFO's while the red team is stuck in flyn bricks. .................................................. ...................


Many or perhaps all planes turn a bit too well because of the new flightmodel.
Since stalling is improved and gentler in all planes it means one can turn harder and longer before the limit is reached , so some tuning is needed in this area.
I noticed and reported this issue the first day when running 4.01 parallelly with 3.04.

It's posted in the bugreport, so we just have wait and see now.
regards http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Tvrdi
07-15-2005, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
iv done heavy testing in this sim and have come to the conclusion that the FW190A9 turns far to well. also when you are able to get it to stall, it recovers almost instantly with minor input from the user. WAY over done 1c. there is NO WAY it should turn as well as it does. also its able to fly at crazy low speeds with out stalling. absalulty wrong. why is it that all the blue teams fighters fly like UFO's while the red team is stuck in flyn bricks. .................................................. ...................


if this isnt a joke....FW190 in sim isnt a good turner but that depends of speed of course....he had a good handling characteristics at high speed.....btw did you noticed how shaky is nose of the FW when pulling up (even gently)? and how easy is to stall a FW when pulling ur nose?

fordfan25
07-15-2005, 02:33 AM
ok i cought my limet for this month. got some pretty good ones this trip.

fordfan25
07-15-2005, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by JG27_Stacko:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
iv done heavy testing in this sim and have come to the conclusion that the FW190A9 turns far to well. also when you are able to get it to stall, it recovers almost instantly with minor input from the user. WAY over done 1c. there is NO WAY it should turn as well as it does. also its able to fly at crazy low speeds with out stalling. absalulty wrong. why is it that all the blue teams fighters fly like UFO's while the red team is stuck in flyn bricks. .................................................. ...................


Please close this thread. I am sick of the red whiners trying to nerf the FW 190. The DM, the Guns, now the FM.... this stinks. If 1c nerf the 190 there will be outrage and the red whiners would of got their way. Also, what is this loser comparing the flight characteristics to? Have you ever flown an FW 190? Please stop this nonsense about the 190, stop whining and start simming.

Sick of the 190 misinformation

Regads Stax </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

my fav. seems the lower the post count the more thay weigh.

Slechtvalk
07-15-2005, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by rednine:
Yes there is so much wrong with this sim. The problem started when Oleg started listening to others like luftwiners and old pilots with bad memory's.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

MK108 is a joke yes. Much to precise at large distances though other large and slow firing cannons got the same problem.

thats preatty disrespectful of those guys man , even at 80 dude if youve been thru that s88t you would mostlikly remember[/QUOTE]\

Yes ok don't take it to seriously. I regret posting it.

fordfan25
07-15-2005, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by FliegerAas:
Again...

http://www.negativeactiongroup.at/portal/e107_plugins/coppermine_menu/albums/userpics/10075/gay_thread.jpg


youd think the coyote would stop buying his stuff from acme but ...well lets watch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

fordfan25
07-15-2005, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
yawn

http://www.icontactweb.com/SiteArchive/ManureWatch/MW_graphics/Cow_Meter_animate.gif

LMAO its like he's just jumping in the boat.

Monson74
07-15-2005, 02:54 AM
You is wrong I hate you, you, you ¤#"%" of a %¤"%#%&#!!!


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PikeBishop
07-15-2005, 02:56 AM
Hello all,

Ok, this is how you can work out the max 'g' pulled at any given speed:
You need to know the stall speed for starters.......this is worked out from the wing loading....I can't recall the calculation now but it involves the sqare root of the wing loading and 'g' (9.81 newtons/ sq foot)
Once you have the minimum stall speed (clean) you then divide it into the speed you are going.(must be in feet/sec) This will tell you how much 'g' you can pull at that speed. Convert that speed to feet per second and square it. Then divide by the max 'g' and this will give you the radii of the turn in feet. This can be tighter with the use of combat flaps but by how much I do not know. Of course this has no bearing on the roll rate of the fighter which was good at all speeds.
regards
SLP

PikeBishop
07-15-2005, 02:57 AM
......9.81 dynes or 32.2 feet per sec

PikeBishop
07-15-2005, 03:06 AM
Note also that this would be instantaneous turn for if the fighter cannot maintain speed, it cannot continue to pull the 'g'. This can involve complicated maths but is related to excess power which can be converted to maintaining speed or climb but is closely related to climb rate, which is a reflection of excess power i. e. thrust - drag.
regards
SLP

PikeBishop
07-15-2005, 04:28 AM
Dear all,
Sorry my mind is not working today.........once you have divided your current speed by the stall speed you must square it first and this is the amount of 'g' that you can pull at that speed e.g. current speed 118 feet/sec
stall speed 59 feet/sec
=2
2x2=4'g'

LStarosta
07-15-2005, 10:02 AM
FordFan, this looks like your biggest and stupidest catch yet.

Grue_
07-15-2005, 10:11 AM
I can do a 360 turn in a 190 under 2 seconds - as long as the ground isn't too bumpy.

faustnik
07-15-2005, 10:15 AM
It's like a lost gill net. It just drifts along the ocean bottom claiming unfortunate victims.

MEGILE
07-15-2005, 10:28 AM
+1

MEGILE
07-15-2005, 10:29 AM
Oleg says...
Fehler shows PROOFS! Britwhiners are wrong, be sure! Where did they read a Spit can out turn a Wulf? Close this book and never open again!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fordfan25
07-15-2005, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
FordFan, this looks like your biggest and stupidest catch yet.

O i would not callem stupid. just far to trusting....but you would think the blinding pain emanating from the large steel hook sticking threw the side of his mouth might have clued him in http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

fordfan25
07-15-2005, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
It's like a lost gill net. It just drifts along the ocean bottom claiming unfortunate victims.

LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Monty_Thrud
07-15-2005, 12:11 PM
This thread is hysterically correct