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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 04:09 AM
Edit: Let's leave discussion of patched game performance until we have the real patch please.

Message Edited on 07/26/0309:34PM by Tully__

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 04:09 AM
Edit: Let's leave discussion of patched game performance until we have the real patch please.

Message Edited on 07/26/0309:34PM by Tully__

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 04:29 AM
I think the .303 DM is just fine, you kill the pilot with your first shot.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 04:56 AM
It is obviously flawed if you can't cause structural failure no matter how many rounds you drill in someones wing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif , especally if your shooting at weaker early war planes.

ENS. Zacast
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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:37 AM
In a word: No

In test08 the .303 effectiveness is the same, which is nil.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 09:31 AM
I have no problem with cutting planes into half with 8x.303.

They keyword is RANGE. CLOSE RANGE. Otherwise you dont have enough concentration.

But .303 caliber was otherwise ineffective as a fighter armament, everybody realized that sooner or later.



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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:02 AM
Zacast wrote:
- In real life it was possible for 8 gun .303 ammo
- fighters like the hurricane to cause structural
- failure if a pilot was lucky enough to pump enough
- rounds into someones wing, elevators, rudder, ect.
- In the current game it is impossible to cause any
- kind of structural failure no matter how many rounds
- you pump into a enemy.

It's not impossible, it's just hard work. You can get
the He111 to explode in mid air, for example (this
is FB 1.0) with a Hurricane I if you aim carefully.
(Wing root underside).

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:06 AM
Vo101_Isegrim wrote:
- I have no problem with cutting planes into half with
- 8x.303.
-
- They keyword is RANGE. CLOSE RANGE. Otherwise you
- dont have enough concentration.

Isegrim is correct. You can degrade a plane to the point
that it leaves the fight at longer range, but you can
blow planes up if you hit the right areas (and repeatedly)
in close enough. You need less ammunition up close. This seems to match well with what the guns could do in 1939-41.

- But .303 caliber was otherwise ineffective as a
- fighter armament, everybody realized that sooner or
- later.

The RAF were planning to replace the .303 with
cannon even before WW2, and the first calls for a plane
with 50% greater hittign power were issued as the
Hurricane I was entering service trials in 1937. (Hawker
produced the Tornado-Typhoon-Tempest series in response,
plus the Hurricane IIb as a temporary measure).

Even in WW1 some felt that the rifle calibre gun was
insufficiently effective!

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:22 AM
AaronGT wrote:
-
- Even in WW1 some felt that the rifle calibre gun was
- insufficiently effective!
-

Yep, some went as far as mounting a 37mm (!!!) cannon on those wood-and-fabric flying coffins.. it was a small-scale production Sopwith Camel (?) IIRC.


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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:42 AM
from luther tatik page

pk is not easy

you must go very clost with 0,303 mg,

at least distance 100m or less have they chance penetrate cockpit amor or seat amor

that refer early plane


later plane have better amor



Message Edited on 07/26/0306:16PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 11:18 AM
I still wince when I see the 303 described as weak. I know that is compared to .50's and cannon, I know. But you take a 303, 308 or 7.62 out, even single-shot and pop some junk some time and see if you still would use the word 'weak'. It's just unreal for a round that will go clear through logs, break rocks and bricks and easily penetrate most any sheet steel let alone aluminum unless the angle is very slight. Weak. LOL! I guess that Jaded might apply to some people just as well.


Neal

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 11:32 AM
Uh, your right if you say that the .303 is strong enough to go through wood, people, 50 beer cans lined up etc.

However, when you talk about armored aircraft, rifle caliber MGs are just inaduquate:

http://www.x-plane.org/users/isegrim/109Fdural-armor.jpg


Note the remarks on .303 caliber... it`s completely ineffective vs. armored parts.

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