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Atomic_Marten
01-27-2005, 04:23 AM
I have recently acquired new PC, with of course new MBO. And this new MBO doesn't have gameport for joystick plug-in. Just bunch of USB's. And therefore my old joystick Genius F-31 is unusable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. I have not yet decided what joystick (X-45 or EVO) will I buy..http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And here's the question: does all X-45s and Cyborg EVOs have USB connection, or some of them comes with the gameport connector?

Also if they come with different connectors, can some of you please write down the ISBN of the one that comes with USB connector.(I have ASIN: B00005TOTG for X-45 which I have seen on Amazon.com, but I'm unsure if that one is with USB connector).

This is very important, because if I buy joystick with gameport connector, it will be unusable to me.

Please help. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tora-2
01-27-2005, 06:15 AM
X-45 is certainly USB if that helps.

VF-29_Sandman
01-27-2005, 06:23 AM
practically all joysticks are now being made usb. the x-45, x-52, and the evo are all usb. unless it's extremely cheeeep, u might never see another gameport joystick again.

i use an evo. easy to program, fairly rugged. last 1 i had died after about a year, but 10x's better than logijunk. do urself a favor...stay away from logitek. i'm plannin on gettin the x-52 myself; the handle twists just like the evo, and more 'toys' to play with. the x-45 on the other hand, looks similar, but has no twist on the stick..its on the throttle, and rather uncomfortable. i'd vote for either the evo (if u dont have much desk space), or the x-52.

Atomic_Marten
01-27-2005, 11:59 AM
Thanks guys. I have purchased X-45 few hrs ago. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Amazing stick, whole new experience..

Taylortony
01-27-2005, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Thanks guys. I have purchased X-45 few hrs ago. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Amazing stick, whole new experience.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep had one now for 3 years now with only 2 minor hiccups and that ain't bad going http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif i think the x45 rocks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Atomic_Marten
01-27-2005, 01:36 PM
Taylortony can you please help me out. I have posted a thread about X-45 throttle on this forum with my problem.

And I will ask you here again; throttle stick on my X-45 won't go above 87% in game and I have pushed my stick to maximum. In control panel I can't achieve maximum also.

So I don't know what is the problem. I have been able to calibrate my old joysticks, but I don't know how to do that with X-45. (there's no option for calibration in ctrl panel -> game controllers for X-45)

stanner1935
01-27-2005, 02:05 PM
Before you buy the EVO, read the comments by buyers of the stick on Amazon.com (they sell the stick). It seems the stick has a drift to the left problem, as well as problems with Windows XP. Then go to the manufacturers web site (Saitek.com),and read what they say in the FAQ section. They admit to the problems, and have even issued a patch, which some people say does not work properly. Be careful. Saitek developed the EVO before Windows XP came on the market. I was considering buying one, but decided against it once I read the posts on Amazon.com, and Saitek's comments.

Stanner

VF-29_Sandman
01-27-2005, 07:50 PM
i loaded the latest drivers for it, and it never drifted again. had to do it this way cause after i got the machine back from reformat, i couldnt find the cd. the latest drivers do fix that problem.

Taylortony
01-28-2005, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
_Taylortony_ can you please help me out. I have posted a thread about X-45 throttle on this forum with my problem.

And I will ask you here again; throttle stick on my X-45 won't go above 87% in game and I have pushed my stick to maximum. In control panel I can't achieve maximum also.

So I don't know what is the problem. I have been able to calibrate my old joysticks, but I don't know how to do that with X-45. (there's no option for calibration in ctrl panel -> game controllers for X-45) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

are you doing it in set up? check in that it normally has a joystick tab
wait i will take some pictures..

ok open set up like this

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2_skinners_guides/guest/help_1.jpg

then click on joystick and properties

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2_skinners_guides/guest/help_2.jpg

do you then get a calibration window like this?
some of the later X45 sticks apparently self calibrate but mine doesn't

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2_skinners_guides/guest/help3.jpg

Atomic_Marten
01-28-2005, 11:41 AM
Tony thanks for effort and help and rest of you guys thanks. It was my bad.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
When I restarted machine and installed latest SST drivers everything was working perfectly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

It appears that my X-45 is calibrating automatically (when I plug in the throttle, 'x' dot in the test screen is automatically cantered; when it is unplugged dot is in lower right corner).

Also Taylortony, how do you calibrate your X-45 then if it isn't calibrated automatically? I mean I got all the above screens that you have posted exactly like that and nowhere you can find the calibration screen AFAIK. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
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Well now I had problems of different kind; my old stick was very 'non-sensitive' compared to X-45.

I mean X-45 is just too sensitive for me. In game (when on default joystick settings in conf.ini) I have a hard time recovering from any kind of dive with FW190 (and most of the other planes).

First, I must enter appropriate values in 'Input' settings in game, or simply open conf.ini with notepad and enter it manually. I have tried Zen's and BBB_Hyperion's settings but they are also too sensitive for me.

Hm. When I think about it again, maybe I just have to learn to fly with this excellent new stick..http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Udidtoo
01-28-2005, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Tony and guys thanks. It was my bad.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
When I restarted machine and installed latest SST drivers everything was working perfectly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
________________________________________________
Well now I had problems of different kind; my old stick was very 'non-sensitive' compared to X-45.

I mean X-45 is just too sensitive for me. In game (when on default joystick settings in conf.ini) I have a hard time recovering from any kind of dive with FW190 (and most of the other planes).

First, I must enter appropriate values in 'Input' settings in game, or simply open conf.ini with notepad and enter it manually. I have tried Zen's and BBB_Hyperion's settings but they are also too sensitive for me.

Hm. When I think about it again, maybe I just have to learn to fly with this excellent new stick..http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It does take some practice at 1st. Even following Tully and Adlabs advice I found that 2 + years of flying with a very well worn MS FFB stick gave me a heavy handed habit.

Once I overcame my former habits and got used to very small stick movements my gunnery skills became better and I found I wasn't busting landing gear nearly as often.

If you have't done so already click on the link in Tully's sig. Some really useful info here on the X45

tora-2
01-28-2005, 11:49 AM
I am presently using the settings listed as Oleg's for preferences, not sure if i'll stick with these in the long run, but they certainly work OK for me on the x-45 at present.
It might be worth trying these out and seeing if they are too sensitive for you ?

I have found programming it all with the SST software reasonable once Tully helped me out !
I am having some problems combining the Joystick with pedals, every now and then some of my joystick settings go awol,especially the rotaries. Its well worth reading all the SST guide though, I tended to find most of my queries were answered there. Took me a while but I now have the pinkie switch set up to gunsight view but only when it is depressed.

If anyone knows how on earth to make the joystick itself less stiff that'd be handy. Its giving me severe jip after a long session of flying I have to admit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

civildog
01-28-2005, 11:05 PM
My EVO never developed a drift even after I installed XP. However..it does require recalibration everytime I turn the computer on since I don't use the software it came with to program it, just the XP properties.

I love it otherwise. And yes, it's USB.

Also, the settings listed in the PF manual... they really improved the performance of the EVO. Before it was too "snappy", now it feels smoother. But I never had a digital stick before either, so what do I know?

Taylortony
01-29-2005, 03:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tora-2:
I am presently using the settings listed as Oleg's for preferences, not sure if i'll stick with these in the long run, but they certainly work OK for me on the x-45 at present.
It might be worth trying these out and seeing if they are too sensitive for you ?

I have found programming it all with the SST software reasonable once Tully helped me out !
I am having some problems combining the Joystick with pedals, every now and then some of my joystick settings go awol,especially the rotaries. Its well worth reading all the SST guide though, I tended to find most of my queries were answered there. Took me a while but I now have the pinkie switch set up to gunsight view but only when it is depressed.

If anyone knows how on earth to make the joystick itself less stiff that'd be handy. Its giving me severe jip after a long session of flying I have to admit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

there was a link on here a while ago, get some tiewraps and tiewrap one rotation of the spring together in several places, that will reduce the stiffness.

Tully__
01-29-2005, 04:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Also Taylortony, how do you calibrate your X-45 then if it isn't calibrated automatically? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depending on when it's manufactured, X-45 and Evo's may or may not have manual calibration. If you don't, when you reboot or plug your joystick in move all the axes through their full range and they'll autocalibrate.

Atomic_Marten
01-29-2005, 12:18 PM
Heh.. I just played a few QMBs and I have actually survived battle with 4 ace Yak3s at 1500m (me in G10) -- I have shot down three of them and 4th run away without tail http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif. That's quite a miracle compared to the results that I had when I started to play with X-45.

Well it's all down to the 'feeling for the joystick' and experience in game.

I have still problems with rudder (I'm using tully__'s X-45 profile with good results http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif), but hopefully I'm gonna overcome that too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LStarosta
01-29-2005, 12:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stanner1935:
Before you buy the EVO, read the comments by buyers of the stick on Amazon.com (they sell the stick). It seems the stick has a drift to the left problem, as well as problems with Windows XP. Then go to the manufacturers web site (Saitek.com),and read what they say in the FAQ section. They admit to the problems, and have even issued a patch, which some people say does not work properly. Be careful. Saitek developed the EVO before Windows XP came on the market. I was considering buying one, but decided against it once I read the posts on Amazon.com, and Saitek's comments.

Stanner <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dunno what in hell you're talking about. Mine doesn't drift at all after over a year of use. Surely, you mean Logitech http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

If you have an Evo, I strongly suggest downloading the self calibrating drivers from Windows Update.