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ROSS_Youss
12-13-2006, 04:13 AM
http://www.stonebridgecapital.co.uk/dox/il2c407m.msi

added weapon-sets for all crafts.

program is absolutely free for usage.

hint:
if you want to see "real" name of weapon-set, replace substring "gun:" in BEGIN of string.

example:

was:
gun:Browning.50 350;gun: ... ;

replaced:
r4m6:Browning.50 350;gun: ... ;

Yskonyn23
12-13-2006, 04:17 AM
Superb news!
Thank you so much!

What is the actual difference between 'r4m6' and 'gun'. I don't seem to get it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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crazyivan1970
12-13-2006, 04:26 AM
Well done mate...as usually you are ahead of time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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majnos64
12-13-2006, 04:40 AM
Il-10 has the same speed to 2000m as Yak-9.... interesting.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-13-2006, 04:59 AM
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Brain32
12-13-2006, 05:01 AM
@Youss Arado still does not have anything under "Turn".<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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crazyivan1970
12-13-2006, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
ahead of time? why... I have it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanx mate...

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ROSS_Youss
12-13-2006, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
@Youss Arado still does not have anything under "Turn".

Arado have turntime > 40 sec. il2compare show turntime only < 40 sec.

Tooz_69GIAP
12-13-2006, 05:16 AM
As always, an excellent utillity, and I really like the weapons listing feature. Although there does seem to be a few aircraft missing, and some info missing from some entries. I.E. the Me-262HG-11, He-162D, A-20C don't have entries. May be more, but that's what I see (or don't http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ) at first glance.

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12-13-2006, 05:16 AM
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JG53Frankyboy
12-13-2006, 05:29 AM
thanks a lot !!

one question:
did you the kind of gun manualy or does compare reading the game code ?

if the second is correct than:
Ki-43-II, Cr.42 have realy the US Brownings instead of their correct national guns.
and the new Heinkel 162 have also the wrong guns, MK103 instead of the announced MK108.....

JG53Frankyboy
12-13-2006, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
As always, an excellent utillity, and I really like the weapons listing feature. Although there does seem to be a few aircraft missing, and some info missing from some entries. I.E. the Me-262HG-11, He-162D, A-20C don't have entries. May be more, but that's what I see (or don't http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ) at first glance.

But still a great utility! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

just before is saw this post, i did some speed test with the A-20C , it has this ~488km/h TAS at SL in game.................. looks like they found some 40km/h more in comparison to the last IL2 compare http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ROSS_Youss
12-13-2006, 05:49 AM
did you the kind of gun manualy or does compare reading the game code ?


not from game-code. but source-file with weapon-specs was got unofficially from MG.

ROSS_Youss
12-13-2006, 05:51 AM
Although there does seem to be a few aircraft missing, and some info missing from some entries. I.E. the Me-262HG-11, He-162D, A-20C don't have entries. May be more, but that's what I see (or don't http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ) at first glance.

copy A-20G_*.txt in A-20C_*.txt in DataSpeed and DataTurn folders.

Vike
12-13-2006, 06:08 AM
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12-13-2006, 06:51 AM
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grifter2u
12-13-2006, 08:21 AM
ROSS_Youss,

big thanks for proving an updated version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

its a great program http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

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12-13-2006, 08:28 AM
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like the info on the arado http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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yogy
12-13-2006, 11:45 AM
Yes, thank you, Youry!

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JtD
12-13-2006, 12:02 PM
Excellent! Tank you very much. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(Ki-43II imho has the .50 Brownings. Noticed that when flying it the other day.)

alert_1
12-13-2006, 01:11 PM
IlCompare 4.07 is welcome, but there are some errors - for ex: Me109G2 take off weight=2838.kg while for Me109F4=2919 - obviously not correct, I185M82 take off weight = 3125kg = is probably wrong too<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

I'm dislectic, so please bear with me...

JG53Frankyboy
12-13-2006, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by alert_1:
IlCompare 4.07 is welcome, but there are some errors - for ex: Me109G2 take off weight=2838.kg while for Me109F4=2919 - obviously not correct, I185M82 take off weight = 3125kg = is probably wrong too

well, i doubt that you can blame IL2compare for these, in your opinion, errors http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

this smart little propgram is just showing what is going on in the game..............

noace
12-14-2006, 01:57 AM
Thanks a lot YOUSS.

And as with the weapons - where did you get the weight and all the other parameters from? Directly from the source or manually?

Again thanks a lot

noace

ROSS_Youss
12-14-2006, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by noace:
Thanks a lot YOUSS.

And as with the weapons - where did you get the weight and all the other parameters from? Directly from the source or manually?

Again thanks a lot

noace

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Kurfurst__
12-14-2006, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by alert_1:
IlCompare 4.07 is welcome, but there are some errors - for ex: Me109G2 take off weight=2838.kg while for Me109F4=2919 - obviously not correct, I185M82 take off weight = 3125kg = is probably wrong too

Just about any 109 is wrong in weight... quite generally they're too heavy.

Ie. Il-2compare reported vs. Real life, differnce in weight (+ means more than historical)

E-4 : 2597 kg vs 2608 kg = good match
F-2 : 2852 kg vs 2728 kg +130
F-4 : 2919 kg vs 2890 kg + 30
G-2 : 2829 kg vs 3037 kg -200
G-6 : 3171 kg vs 3100 kg + 70
G-6L : 3171 kg vs 3100 kg + 70
G-6AS: 3371 kg vs 3272 kg + 100
G10U4: 3296 kg vs 3343 kg (non MK 108 version in RL: 3297 kg)
G14U4: 3298 kg vs 3318 kg (non MK 108 version in RL: 3247 kg)
K-4 : 3421 kg vs 3362 kg + 60

All weight taken from wartime Kennblatts and Datenblatts.

Lot's of offenders here, but before starts b*tchig about the G-2 being 200 kg lighter, I'd like to mention that the specs are spot-on.

Even turn time is in excellent agreement with Soviet results : Il2compare reports 20.61 seconds for 360 degree turn at 1000m, Soviet real life tests of Bf 109G-2 WNr 14513 achieved... 20 seconds at 1000m. Turn radius also an exact match of Soviet results.

The official Messerschmitt specs for speeds for the G-2 were 537 km/h at SL, 660 km/h at 7000m.
Real life Soviet trials of Bf 109G-2 WNr 14513 achieved... 524 km/h at SL, and 666 km/h at 7000m.
Both values are for the 30-minute rating Kampleisung, ie. 1.3ata, that was in force as max rating between May 1942 - October 1943, when it was increased to 1.42ata.

Il2compare reports ca 532 km/h at SL, ca 665 km/h at 7000m.

As a matter of fact, the Bf 109G-2 is one of the closest modelled aircraft to real life specs in the game, whatever weight it has in the game. All the others are heavier than should, especially the F-2 and G-6/AS hurt badly.

JuHa-
12-14-2006, 09:46 AM
Thanks Youss!!

JG4_Helofly
12-14-2006, 10:37 AM
If the 109 G2 is the closest to RL why everybody say it's über?
And what about climb for G2. Is it realistic?

Tooz_69GIAP
12-14-2006, 10:48 AM
Okay, I had a closer look at some of the entries to see what was missing from the new aircraft being added.

There is no entry for the Me-262HG-11, although there is a text file for it in the DataWeapon folder.

There is no entry for the He-162D, although checking DataWeapon again, there are files for He-162B and He-162C - should these actually be C/D??

There is one entry for the MiG-9, but there are two MiG-9s: the MiG-9(F-2) & FS. Although I do notice that the MiG-9 entry has two different loadouts of the 37mm(FS) and the 57mm(F-2) cannon, so do both variants have the same performance in game?

And with the Ki-27, again, one entry, but there are two variants, the Ki-27Ko and Otsu, 1938. So do both these variants have the same performance and armaments again? Or do they differ only in armaments (2 loadouts here again, guns only, or guns and bombs)?

And lastly, there seems to be two variants of Ki-43-II 1942, and Ki-43-II Kai 1943, but again, there two loadout options: guns only, and guns with bombs.

And oh yeah, there's no entry for the B-29!! Although in DataWeapon there is a file for it.

Anyway, don't think that I'm complaining, or anything, I love this utility. Just wanting to clarify how you've compiled some of the entries.

I assume that it's simply been that instead of having several entries for aircraft series with exactly the same performance, you just created one entry for all the variants of that aircraft, and listed their loadouts. For example, the Ki-43-Ia/b/c have only one entry - Ki-43-Ia, but the loadouts for each variant are listed.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kurfurst__
12-14-2006, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
If the 109 G2 is the closest to RL why everybody say it's über?

Good question! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


And what about climb for G2. Is it realistic?

Not in an absolute sense, but it compares rather well relatively to the climb of other fighters.. but it's the same case with most fighters, generally their climb rate is a few m/sec overdone and above the absolute historical specs, but relative to each other, they relate as in real life.

I didn't want to get into climb rate, given the sometimes huge inconsistencies accross the board.. lost cause to de-bug it, IMHO.

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JG53Frankyboy
12-14-2006, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
.............
And with the Ki-27, again, one entry, but there are two variants, the Ki-27Ko and Otsu, 1938. So do both these variants have the same performance and armaments again? Or do they differ only in armaments (2 loadouts here again, guns only, or guns and bombs)?

And lastly, there seems to be two variants of Ki-43-II 1942, and Ki-43-II Kai 1943, but again, there two loadout options: guns only, and guns with bombs.

.................

the two Ki-27 have the same performance, they just differe opticaly a little bit.
same case with the two Ki-43............

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12-14-2006, 02:35 PM
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WWMaxGunz
12-15-2006, 12:18 AM
We should know from posts that AC weights were one of the things tweaked to get performance
data and game to be closer. So maybe the 200kg heavy G2 has also extra power as well?

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12-15-2006, 12:49 AM
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Lazy312
12-15-2006, 10:17 AM
As a matter of fact, the Bf 109G-2 is one of the closest modelled aircraft to real life specs in the game, whatever weight it has in the game.

Well I don't think so. It is actually a little bit faster than in Il-2 Compare (672kph@7000m) and with full tank, auto radiator and full power it climbs to 5km in 3,6 min on Crimea map. Real life climb tests were done at combat&climb power (which corresponds to 100% power in the game) but still this is IMO way too quick climb. Moreover G-2 clearly outturns F-4 which it shouldn't, according to both german and russian experience and tests.

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La7_brook
12-15-2006, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Lazy312:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As a matter of fact, the Bf 109G-2 is one of the closest modelled aircraft to real life specs in the game, whatever weight it has in the game.

Well I don't think so. It is actually a little bit faster than in Il-2 Compare (672kph@7000m) and with full tank, auto radiator and full power it climbs to 5km in 3,6 min on Crimea map. Real life climb tests were done at combat&climb power (which corresponds to 100% power in the game) but still this is IMO way too quick climb. Moreover G-2 clearly outturns F-4 which it shouldn't, according to both german and russian experience and tests.

(4.05) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> please post tests and tracks

TX-Gunslinger
12-15-2006, 06:04 PM
THANKS A MILLION Youss!

Best utility in the sim - I'm always thankful that you don't get tired of doing this, and stop.


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KamilV
12-16-2006, 03:06 AM
please post tests and tracks
http://kv.clarionet.cz/il2/tracks/109/records.zip
top speeds of Bf 109 versions (4.05)

HeinzBar
10-03-2008, 05:33 PM
S!,
I've tried reinstalling IL2Compare 4.07m, but I'm not having any luck. Is there another version elsewhere?

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