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TERA_Forrest
01-04-2004, 12:15 PM
I usually play other first person shooters( Ghost Recon, RainBow Six, OFP) and RTS's(C&C), but I really like flight sims, I have a few Q's for all of you who have this game.

1. should I get a Joystick for this, what kind works best?

2. How is the multi player? coop mode? vs mode?

3. will it run good on these system specs:

XP PRO 1 service pack
AMD Althlon XP 1900+ 1.60 GHz
768 MB of RAM 133 GHz
RADEON 9700 PRO w/ 128 ram
80 gig 7200 rpm hard drive
5.1 surround sound Creative Sound Blaster
cable connection

on another note, I've been looking at the "LOCK ON" game too, but after getting a post saying the Multi player wasn't really functional, I not too sure its for me.

any info is greatly apreaciated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TERA_Forrest
01-04-2004, 12:15 PM
I usually play other first person shooters( Ghost Recon, RainBow Six, OFP) and RTS's(C&C), but I really like flight sims, I have a few Q's for all of you who have this game.

1. should I get a Joystick for this, what kind works best?

2. How is the multi player? coop mode? vs mode?

3. will it run good on these system specs:

XP PRO 1 service pack
AMD Althlon XP 1900+ 1.60 GHz
768 MB of RAM 133 GHz
RADEON 9700 PRO w/ 128 ram
80 gig 7200 rpm hard drive
5.1 surround sound Creative Sound Blaster
cable connection

on another note, I've been looking at the "LOCK ON" game too, but after getting a post saying the Multi player wasn't really functional, I not too sure its for me.

any info is greatly apreaciated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

x__CRASH__x
01-04-2004, 12:23 PM
1. Its a flight sim, it's a must. Which ever one you prefer. Popular ones are the CH systems, the X45, the MS FFB2 (Which isn't produced anymore, but still out there).

2. Very good. Its all I fly. Its what really makes this game worth my while, and the reason I have played it exclusively for 2 years or more years now.

3. Yes!


And just a note: I was just like you. This is my first flight sim. I came from Mechwarrior and have never gone back.

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TERA_Forrest
01-04-2004, 12:26 PM
hrmmmmm, best you would say? Guess I'll have to buy it, no choice now, I'll be online somtime tues evening I suppose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif , whatch out all you out there, newb assault begins !

x__CRASH__x
01-04-2004, 12:35 PM
Best? I've only tried one of the ones I mentioned. I use the MSFFB2. But if I had the cash I'd buy a CH system (Stick, HOTAS, and pedals) I hear they are darn good.

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LEXX_Luthor
01-04-2004, 12:36 PM
To experiment, you can goto WalMarts and get a 20$ Saitek 3 button joystick, USB, just plug in and play. That's what I use, and it has the best throttle lever ever. You can always upgrade to a more expensive stick at any time. The 8-way hat switch is best mapped to only 4 left right up down and not the diagonal view changes.

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WhiteKnight77
01-04-2004, 12:59 PM
Yeah I like Coop too, more fun flying with your buddies to complete a common goal.

Get a joystick, it will make it lots easier to fly.

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Old_Canuck
01-04-2004, 01:27 PM
Be prepared for a steep learning curve. If you stay with it until you have that "Hey I can do this" moment, you'll be hooked big time.

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Bearcat99
01-04-2004, 09:37 PM
Welcome to the best WW2 flight sim on the market today. Get a joystick. I suggest an X45 by Saitek or a MSFFB2 if you can find one. Which ever one you get make sure of 2 things. 1-that it have rudder control and 2-that it cost a minimum of $40 (normal price). Anything cheaper than that is garbage. Now if it is on sale for less thats different. But generally your $39.99 joystick is the minimum to spend if you don't want to be buying another one in 6 months...and even then it's no gaurantee. Try here http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html for a reconditioned X45 for $39. Normally it goes for $79..at that price it is still a great stick....at $39 it's a steal.

As far as the play..it is great..online, off line,coop.....I prefer coops myself... but the 1 on 1 DFs are nice... or team DFs..(dog fights). Coop play is very versatile. Ground attack, bomber escort,fighter sweep,recon..the whole 9. The Full Mission Builder (FMB) is a little cumbersome and intimidating at first but it isn't that hard once you take the time to learn it. I would suggest you do that... it is very rewarding. There is a thread here at the top of the forum called Sturmovik Essenntials..check it out. Go to Mudmovers or Eastern Skies for help with the FMB. In the beginning though just use the QMB (Quick Mission Builder). There are only 3 maps to pick from in the QMB but the programmablity is still pretty diverse.. I used the QMB for a year...almost every day and was satsfied. I just wanted more so I dove in and learned the FMB. Also the UQMG (Uberdemon's Quick Mission Generator)is nice... that link is there too. I do suggest though, that before you tackle all that, that you practice flight and use full FMs (flight models). Get to know your stick and your plane. You want to have stalls, spins, engine overheat and cem (complex engine mgmt)& vulnerability enabled. Along with limitted fuel and ammo. The limited ammo you can eventually wean yourself to....use unlimitted at first to get your aim right and then start using limmited so you can learn the ammo loads of the planes you chose to fly. No one I know flies online with unlimitted ammo... I suggest you start out with an easy plane like a La5, a Ki-84, a Zero or a Hurricaine... Or if you want a challenge a FW-190,Me-109, a P-40 or a P-47. Don't expect to be an ace in a week.. it isnt that kind of sim. You will have to learn to vitually fly. Think in terms of a real aircraft. The FMs are that good. As far as icons go..it's a personal thing. You might want to use them in the beginning but eventually you will want to remove them, even if it is only partially. You can also experiment with the cockpit on & off. I leave my settings so I can switch when I want to when I am flying off line. In the beginning however just concentrate on learningthe sim,the stick and the plane.

As far as your rig is concerned... it should do fine. I had an XP1600 with a 9000Pro128 and a 1G of PC133 ram when I first got this sim..well IL2....and it worked fine...and FB ran well too when I picked it up(By then I had upgrade to a 9500 Pro and a G of 266 DDR). I had an Audigy sound card as well... The only reason I upgraded to my current rig is that my wife wanted a new computer and that was the excuse I needed.... LOL... otherwise I would still have the same rig and been happy. Mamabear has the old rig with the 9000 pro & the Audigy with a 18.1 inch LCD and she is ecstatic about her "new" computer...and so am I http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

You are going to enjoy this sim and this community..there are a few jerks here but thats to be expected....besides they may be jerks but they're OUR jerks....and some days we take turns... I've been known to have to floss my teeth with my shoe laces a bit too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but for the most part it is a great place for tech info, sim info, history info and entertainment, populated by a bunch of decent guys who just happen to be simjunkies. You will find some very talented people here..artists...techies...writers..historians...wa lking encyclopedias of WW2 history. Enjoy it all, welcome once again.............and have fun.

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TERA_Forrest
01-05-2004, 12:00 AM
looks like i'll be buying both IL and LockOn, but wich one should I get first, eeny meeeny miny moe! forgot to poke my finger back and forth. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

thanks for the info all, sounds like a good game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

oh and bearcat99, that story with your wify getting the "new" PC cracked me up lol, one of my buds who has had his PC for 2.5 years is getting rdy to pull the same thing lmao

thank you for such a warm welcome http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Weather_Man
01-05-2004, 12:41 AM
I personally think FB is a much better game in almost every respect compared to Lockon. The fun-factor is the cincher for me. FB wins that hands down.

Tully__
01-05-2004, 03:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TERA_Forrest:
1. should I get a Joystick for this, what kind works best?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Absolutely yes. Joystick preferences vary wildly from person to person so my suggestion is spend at least US$40 and pick one that you like. Make sure you get a rudder axis. If dollars are not a problem, look at CH and Simped rudder pedals as well.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TERA_Forrest:
2. How is the multi player? coop mode? vs mode?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Multiplayer comes in two modes, coop and dogfight. Coop is set piece missions with briefings, flight plans, set targets and goals, usually human v. human, with the host computer flying any plane not chosen by a human pilot. Dogfight is entirely human v. human with from 2 to 16 teams. There is no control over team numbers, but the host can put rules about keeping the teams even in the briefing and kick players that don't follow the rules.

In coop, everyone starts together, so you may need a bit of patience waiting for enough people to join the waiting list before the host launches the mission. In dogfight mode, you can join the server any time the player limit isn't exceeded and stay for as long as the host keeps the server running or as little time as you like.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TERA_Forrest:
3. will it run good on these system specs:

XP PRO 1 service pack
AMD Althlon XP 1900+ 1.60 GHz
768 MB of RAM 133 GHz
RADEON 9700 PRO w/ 128 ram
80 gig 7200 rpm hard drive
5.1 surround sound Creative Sound Blaster
cable connection<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Except in really busy missions, absolutely, although you may need to tweek sounds settings a bit. FB can be a bit fussy about the 5.1 series Creative cards.

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EDtheHead6445
01-05-2004, 05:21 AM
I use a Sidewinder Force Feedback pro- old stuff! The online play is some of the best I've taken part in. Flying in a group of Polish P11s against a flight of Bf109s is terrifying but fun. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif After you get your first kill, you'll be hooked. Just a hint- before going online practise with the Quick Mission Builder just to get a hang of the game. You'll soon realise that, although the AI is tough, its no match for the online aces!

Bearcat99
01-05-2004, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TERA_Forrest:
looks like i'll be buying both IL and LockOn, but wich one should I get first, eeny meeeny miny moe! forgot to poke my finger back and forth. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

thanks for the info all, sounds like a good game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

oh and bearcat99, that story with your wify getting the "new" PC cracked me up lol, one of my buds who has had his PC for 2.5 years is getting rdy to pull the same thing lmao

thank you for such a warm welcome http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont have LOMAC so I cant say...but from what I have heard from people whose opinions I respect and what I know about FB, DEFINITELY get FB first.

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p1ngu666
01-05-2004, 05:59 AM
ive got a cyborg 3d and i love it
and i much prefer il2 over lock on demo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
joystick should have throttle and rudder too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
it should run ok on your pc, u can always overclock too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

B16Enk
01-05-2004, 06:15 AM
Checkout the 1.21 settings thread in the Tech Support forum to get the best out of your rig and FB.

And welcome to the community!

zodicus1
01-05-2004, 06:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
1. Its a flight sim, it's a must. Which ever one you prefer. Popular ones are the CH systems, the X45, the MS FFB2 (Which isn't produced anymore, but still out there).

2. Very good. Its all I fly. Its what really makes this game worth my while, and the reason I have played it exclusively for 2 years or more years now.

3. Yes!


And just a note: I was just like you. This is my first flight sim. I came from Mechwarrior and have never gone back.

http://www.ghostskies.com/&lt;HR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; (http://www.ghostskies.com/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>)

same here came from MW4 veng and rarely ply anything but IL2 FB now. I was also a hard core jet simmer not any more, fly this game in full real once it will give u WAY more respect for the piolts of WW2 then for the jet jocks

AJRobson
01-05-2004, 06:41 AM
Definately get Forgotten Battles BEFORE LOMAC.

First, Forgotten Battles only costs $20 (if you can find it... check CompUSA).

Second, LOMAC has had some major bugs and issues, especially for those using ATI based graphics card. If they ever get out a patch that addresses these problems, it might be worth getting. But until then, I won't waste my money.

Can't really add anything to the comments about joysticks, except to say that I don't agree that you have to spend a lot of money. I would just make sure you get some joystick that has a throttle on it (most do), will twist for the rudder and has a directional hat switch to help you look around when flying.

I bought IL2 when it came out and then got hooked on GR. IL2 has a very steep learning curve so it is easy to get discouraged.

But I got past that and thoroughly enjoy it.

I still suck but at least I have fun.

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FG31stBoogie
01-05-2004, 07:06 AM
Salute Tera...if youre looking to join a squadron with a great bunch of guys and a great training program...check out www.31stfg.com (http://www.31stfg.com) or e-mail me @ richinoki@hotmail.com this is a great sim and i'll tell ya that there are a BUNCH of great people who fly it!!!

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TERA_Forrest
01-06-2004, 03:25 AM
thanks for the replys all, and thanks for the welcome, I'll be on a little later than I thought, was playin with a joystick and loved it, price is 100.00 though, I got the game but can't seem to give into another joystick, the noob assualt is postponed... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

FG1stBoogie, thanks for the invite, I may take u up on it later, right now I'm probly going to just fool around with it till I learn some things http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gavagai
01-14-2004, 02:59 PM
OH boy ! This is a heck of a game. Just look in forum what criticisms of it are left after patches. It's either " how to", " we want more of it", or wrong flight model as of 5 mph felt difference in speed vs actual plane.

Tells it all. Also, due to mission builder, etc.., won't be bored after months of intensive playing. And will come back to it later. Buy it now. Buy two for safety.I'm not a representative of UBI, ask me about Lock on " as is...".