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glottis77
04-03-2004, 10:39 AM
Since starting my online experience last weekend i soon found out what's my biggest problem: aiming. So i went offline to improve my gunnery, as usual in "my" 109-G or 109-K. I'm sure that i flew these planes 50% of my time with FB, the other 50% Las, Yaks or P47/51. I hardly ever flew the 190, maybe because of my traumatic experience with it from the original IL2. Using way too much ammo when fyling against the CPU with the 109 I decided to try to use the 190 with stunning effects. I bring down the CPU with my 2nd or 3rd burst. The effect of 4 cannons is amazing!!!
Of course the handling of the thing way different then flying a 109, but after a bit more practise I will make the 190-A8 "my" online plane (although I'm sure that it will result in more crashes due to stalls, but maybe i can finally bring down somebody when he's infront of my nose...).
To come to the point of this post: which one do you prefer? The Messerschimtt or the Focke-Wulf??? Offline and Online? And most importantly why?

glottis77
04-03-2004, 10:39 AM
Since starting my online experience last weekend i soon found out what's my biggest problem: aiming. So i went offline to improve my gunnery, as usual in "my" 109-G or 109-K. I'm sure that i flew these planes 50% of my time with FB, the other 50% Las, Yaks or P47/51. I hardly ever flew the 190, maybe because of my traumatic experience with it from the original IL2. Using way too much ammo when fyling against the CPU with the 109 I decided to try to use the 190 with stunning effects. I bring down the CPU with my 2nd or 3rd burst. The effect of 4 cannons is amazing!!!
Of course the handling of the thing way different then flying a 109, but after a bit more practise I will make the 190-A8 "my" online plane (although I'm sure that it will result in more crashes due to stalls, but maybe i can finally bring down somebody when he's infront of my nose...).
To come to the point of this post: which one do you prefer? The Messerschimtt or the Focke-Wulf??? Offline and Online? And most importantly why?

F19_Gazoo
04-03-2004, 10:42 AM
I prefer the Messersmitt 109, much because you see better. And the earlier models turn better. Not much into the Zoom and Boom.

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Maj_Death
04-03-2004, 11:07 AM
I prefer the Fw-190's superior speed, firepower and high speed handling. Stalls should not be an issue because you shouldn't be turning the Fw-190 in combat. Fly in a series of straight lines and gentle curves. No hard turns are needed or recommended. The Fw-190A will not outturn anything except at very high speeds (600km/h+) and if you turn hard at those speeds then you will loose that speed very quickly. Once your speed is gone so are you if you are flying an Fw-190. In my oppinion the Fw-190A is one of the best fighters in FB/AEP but it does require alot of patience to fly properly.

On a side note, I recommend the Bf-110G2 if you like lots of guns. Sure she is slow and unmanuverable but your opponent only has to pass infront of you for half a second for you to blow him away http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif.

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XyZspineZyX
04-03-2004, 11:09 AM
Hehehe, funny, Gonzo, because, visually speaking, those two planes were reversed: the 109 was "confining, cramped and view restricted", while the FW190 had an excellent view.

Shame Oleg doesn't see it that way and puts the graphic equivalent of 2x 4s in the way to block the FW190 pilot's view....

Anyway, I prefer the 109. For your aiming problem, most models have a nose 20mm/30mm main gun, and closely grouped MGs in the cowl, so unless you're in a Emil or toting gunpods, there are no convergence problems.

The 109 also has a different kind of style than the 190. It doesn't usually have the punch of the Focke Wulf's 4 x 20mms, but it has more subtlety. The 109 is a rapier or a foil; the 190 is a sabre or a meatcleaver.

Stalker58
04-03-2004, 11:19 AM
Me 109, because of great versatility, you can do B&Zing, energy fighting or even T&B against "right" oponents.Fragility and weak weaponry on early models are the main problems for me.

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

Kneenibbler
04-03-2004, 11:44 AM
I prefer the 190, D-9 late war to be specific. Mostly I like it just seems to hold its speed so well (except after you stall). I never seem to be lacking speed and it feels like I'm always in a situation where I know the bird will be able to cash in its E quickly for some advantage. I can only imagine how great it is in the hands of a good piolt. Drawback is definately the view from the canopy and stalling, though it's not as bad as the A series for me.

I like the 109's but I can't fly em very well for some reason. I stall more often in a K-4 then in a Dora so who knows whats up.

Xnomad
04-03-2004, 11:45 AM
Bf 109 here, even with the great fire power that the Fw 190 has, half the time you are deflection shooting in the dark due to that <#*&%ing> bar, so I prefer the 109.

If the 190 had a better (realistic) view forward I would fly her a lot probably half the time when flying blue. I don't like the A-9 or A-8 FM's much I'm not saying they are wrong I just don't like them. The D-9 is sweet but fires with Pea shooters and the A-5 is my favourite Anton but that view just stops me from enjoying all of them.

Such a shame as there are really only two Axis fighters to fly and all of the one version (Fw 190)were born with a view defect. Not very fair on the poor 190 drivers is it? I just don't get it.

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Maple_Tiger
04-03-2004, 11:50 AM
My favorite between the FW and BF would be the FW190-D9. She's fast, handels well at high speed and has a pretty good Zoom climb.

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Zen--
04-03-2004, 12:14 PM
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No better E fighter exists in the game, except perhaps the 109K4.

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JG7_Rall
04-03-2004, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:
FW190D9 '44
No better E fighter exists in the game, except perhaps the 109K4.

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Amen.

FW 190 A9 might be my new favorite though. Not so much E fighting, but still very very deadly! Dora will always have its place in my heart though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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robban75
04-03-2004, 01:00 PM
I prefer the Fw 190D. Not just to the Bf 109 but to all other planes in FB aswell, including the Ta 152. What attracts me about the Dora is her speed and the lightness of her controls at high speeds. It also looks really cool, but that's just a bonus! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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IV|JG51Flatspin
04-03-2004, 01:14 PM
Without a doubt the 109. When I get one on my six I just jump into the tailgunner's slot and wax 'em. Might get 2 if I'm lucky. 190? dump ord go low, and hope to god he didn't see you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Hunde_3.JG51
04-03-2004, 01:22 PM
I prefer the 190, all of them to any plane. The A-4 is decent in '42, the A-5 is great in '43, and the A-9, D-9, and Ta-152 are all good in '44. In '44 I prefer the A-9 in full switch type servers, but if I'm going to mess around in servers with icons or externals (which is rare), then I prefer the D-9. The Dora is an incredible performer, one of the best in the game, but the changes in weapon/DMing hurt the Dora a bit more than the others. If the patch changes things I will put more time into the Dora again, it feels like a speed sled and is a rush to fly. I'm starting to fall for the Dora, but then again, I love all of the 190/152's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Btw, the reasons I prefer the 190 are: firepower, toughness, stability, roll, speed, high speed handling (this being the most important IMO), and versatility (this also being very important). When bombers show up, or you need to put a pickle on an enemy base/AAA, I would much rather be in a 190 (particularly a 190A).

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WUAF_Boxer
04-03-2004, 01:24 PM
The 190A9 is the plane that I am most deadly in. The mk 108's make all the difference. I love the Dora too, the late model. Because in AEP, the 190's all overheat very fast, but the 45 Dora seems to be able to stay cool a little longer.

Spinne_3.-JG51
04-03-2004, 01:27 PM
Depending on the situation, I like the 109 better. It just seems more natural. The 190 view is porked with the enormous cockpit frame blocking 30-40% of the view. However, nothing beats a 190 for sheer firepower, except the 262. Of the 190s, I like the Dora the best. The Ta-152 comes next. Of the 109s, I love the G-6/AS and G-10.

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ASM 1
04-03-2004, 01:33 PM
Prefer Ta152/D9 '44 when B&Z'ing (152 up High http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) can vapourize just about anything if I can get the approach right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif If I want heavy armament I take a A8/9 with either the 108's or 103's for ground pounding. Like the handling of the 109's - G2 for dogfights, G6AS for Chasing B17's and K4 up high.

Actually I really like both - current ride of choice (as you can tell from my sig!) is TA152 H http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif a C variant would be a nice compliment.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Teufel_Eldritch
04-03-2004, 02:00 PM
Im a 109 man. I like the 190...I even get a better framerate inside its pit but the 109 is easier for me to fly. Besides the 109 just looks mean. Looks like it is itching for a fight.

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Skalgrim
04-03-2004, 02:57 PM
when la-7 is 700m behind you

you are deat 190, but 109 has you chance survive, because better climb and same or better accelerate

190 bad accelerate compare la-7 or 109

that is ther differ

fear much more good fly 109 as 190 when fly 190

Maj_Death
04-03-2004, 04:05 PM
Actually the Fw-190D9 and A9 will outrun the Lame-7 in most situations. If you do something stupid and bleed all your speed then yes the La-7 will get you but otherwise he stands little chance of catching you. Of course the situation is no different if you are in a Bf-109K4. The K4 can outclimb the La-7 but that doesn't do you any good if the La-7 can get you into range before you can pull away. So basically don't fly slow with La-7's around if you want to live.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-03-2004, 04:10 PM
i love um both but i dont fly the FW190 that much altho the D9 is the most sexiest and best lookin plane of all
my favo is the 109/G14

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US_8th_Dosiere
04-03-2004, 04:22 PM
Bf-109 here. The F-4 and the K-4 are both excellent planes to fly online. The F-4 is quick and manueverable for its time(1941) and can outfly just about anything either the US, British, or Russians had at that time. The armament is its only real drawback; BnZing in the F-4 is difficult as it can be hard to take down your opponent in just one pass. Fortunately it can actually dogfight rather well.

The K-4 is an entirely different beast. BnZ is the name of game, and few planes can do it better. Its nose cannon is enough to down many planes in 1-3 hits, so a single pass is usually all it takes.

The 190s are great planes as well, but online it is hard to exploit their strengths. In more "realistic" servers where you are confined to the cockpit and with limited icons, it can be great, as its armament is killer. If you can line up a pass on an unsuspecting enemy, they dont really stand a chance.

Ob.Emann
04-03-2004, 05:25 PM
Bf-109 for me. Less twitchy than the 190 and while less standard firepower compared to the FW, it is much more versatile and open to customization, as evidenced with my G-10's Mk108 gunpods. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I also seem to have better luck turnfighting in 109's as well, as I've been finding myself turning with Spits and Yaks online very easily.

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Snow_Wolf_
04-03-2004, 07:55 PM
Big Fan of the Focke wulf 190 F series so for 190 i take a F8 or A5 U17. For 109 i like the Bf-109 F2/4 or the 109 G 14

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TheGozr
04-03-2004, 08:21 PM
190 f8?A8?A9

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04-04-2004, 06:34 AM
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