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krmichal
09-21-2005, 09:28 AM
Hi.

Long time ago I heard about possibility of using "car pedals" shipped with steering-wheel as rudder pedals. Do you know which can be apropriate for that? (I read somewhere that only one-axis pedals can be used this way. Can this be changed with some software?)

Greetings.
Michal

Pig_Mac
09-21-2005, 04:06 PM
i tried out a mates thrustmaster hotas cougar (mainly the throttle and the programming), and needed something to use as rudder pedals. i searched through my mess and found an old momo forcefeedback wheel with pedals.

it worked pretty good, but since the pedals don't both move like a normal rudder, it got a bit confusing. (i stepped on the left pedal quite a few times to 'brake' when i came in too fast). i guess you get used to it after a while, but i don't really recommend it.

someone in these forums had a link to his homemade rudder pedals, and they looked a lot more suited for the task. i also found some pictures of homemade pedals that used an old joystick as base of his project.

buy real or make them (or use the flimsy one on the joystick like the poor and lazy guys like me do), the wheel pedals feel wrong for the task in my opinion at least.

Tully__
09-21-2005, 04:46 PM
It works but is odd to use.

You need to have single axis pedals or use the pedal software to combine the axes of both pedals into one virtural axis. Members of this community have succesfully used both Logitech and Thrustmaster car controller pedals.

I'd advise you make or buy a set of proper rudder pedals instead.

Loco-S
09-21-2005, 10:26 PM
try mine..(Homemade rudder pedals) I made them about three years ago and they work real good, just buy a regular old joystick and voila....here is the how to make them:

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/kurbalaganda/Rudder+mk2.pdf

PS, you can buy a joyport to USB converter at any radio shack, they allow you to hot plug the pedals without having to turn the computer off.

USB Game Port Adapter
$16.99 Brand: RadioShack
Catalog #: 26-164 Model: 26-164

http://www.radioshack.com/images/ProductCatalog/ProductImage/26/26-164.jpg


http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=26-164

FoolTrottel
09-22-2005, 12:24 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Rudder1a.jpg

-HH-Quazi
09-22-2005, 12:36 AM
I know a squadm8 of mine used car pedals from a PS2 for a couple of years for rudder pedals before they wore out. He then purchased the real deal CH Pro Pedals. Of course he said the difference between the two was so steep, that words could do it just. But he also said since he had never experienced the CH Pro Pedals that he didn't know what he was missing. He actually come to really like using those PS2 car pedals for rudder peddals.

krmichal
09-22-2005, 12:53 AM
Thanks for all your answers! Home-made pedals seem very interesting, but I guess I lack some skills needed for that... I'll try to borrow pedals from some car games enthusiast, and I'll see if I'll be able to use it effectively.

NorrisMcWhirter
09-22-2005, 12:12 PM
Hi,

Beware of gameport MS Sidewinder wheel/pedal combos.

It doesn't seem possible to use the pedals for rudder even if you use a gamport<->USB converter.

Not when I tried, at least.

Ta,
Norris

notamuppet
09-22-2005, 12:49 PM
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/rudder4.jpg
Not that hard to drill a couple of holes and bolt it up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

jeroen-79
09-22-2005, 08:09 PM
The problem with carpedals is that they aren't physically linked.
That makes it impossible to let both feet know what the other is doing so you are pushing two levers, rather than turning one bar.

Some carpedals also have springs of different stiffness on each pedal.

It would be possible to put a cable in the pedal so that pushing one pedal pulls the other one up.

hshmulik
03-26-2006, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Hi,

Beware of gameport MS Sidewinder wheel/pedal combos.

It doesn't seem possible to use the pedals for rudder even if you use a gamport<->USB converter.

Not when I tried, at least.

Ta,
Norris

(also posted on another thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/7081084224/r/5901030624#5901030624) )

Right. I currently own an MS-FFB1, and I remember reading extensively in the past about mixing gameport & USB controllers, and the conclusion was that it is not supposed to work. The main reason was because the sidewinder game controller series employed a proprietary communication protocol running over the 2 MIDI lines of the gameport (and none of the analog inputs mind you), which gets translated by the driver into regular game controller actions understood by games. USB is a totally different comunications protocol in which the controller has to idenify itself as an HID device of a specific type in order to be recognized by games.

So, unless this USB converter actually has some brains in it which allows it to understand both "languages" and to translate back and forth, you're not very likely to succeed.

thefruitbat
03-26-2006, 09:04 AM
hi, i use logitech racing pedals as my rudder without any problem. I do want to get proper rudder pedals at some time, but they are way down on my list of proritys at the moment.

There is no way i would go back to using a twiststick though, i find i have so much more control with pedals, even car pedals.

one thing i have found though, is that you will have to use a program such as il2 sticks, or edit the config manually to edit the curves or filtering for the pedals.

cheers fruitbat

trumper
03-26-2006, 09:56 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I use logitech wingman car pedals as rudders with my X 45 ,no problems at all.
Maybe one day i will get pro pedals but i really dont think you need them ,pedals are fine.

JG52Uther
03-26-2006, 10:52 AM
Why are people dragging up all these old threads lately? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif