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VFS-22_SPaRX
05-06-2004, 08:34 PM
I have decided that we will not allow Shooting of pilots in their chute. This is IMHO a very cheap thing to do. You will be afforded 2 warnings. Third time will be a perm ban on the server. Let's try and fly with some honor. Shooting a helpless pilot in his chute is in no way, shape, or form honorable. I have a couple of admins that will remain nameless and they will be watching very closely. So everyone has been warned.

S~

SPaRX

VFS-22_SPaRX
05-06-2004, 08:34 PM
I have decided that we will not allow Shooting of pilots in their chute. This is IMHO a very cheap thing to do. You will be afforded 2 warnings. Third time will be a perm ban on the server. Let's try and fly with some honor. Shooting a helpless pilot in his chute is in no way, shape, or form honorable. I have a couple of admins that will remain nameless and they will be watching very closely. So everyone has been warned.

S~

SPaRX

heywooood
05-06-2004, 08:37 PM
wheres the "proud chute shooter" now?..


Heywooood agrees 100effing percent.

BS87
05-06-2004, 08:46 PM
As its your server, i dont care, because you make the rules, and i follow them. But i seem to recall the fact that a little while ago you condoned cute shooting because "Pilot counts help win the battle"

VFS-22_SPaRX
05-06-2004, 08:53 PM
BS87,

You are reading into my comment. Someone posted that they thought this may increase the number of ppl chute shooting. I did not believe it would for that reason i stated. In the hours i have on the server, i personally never witnessed any chute shooting, but now it seems that people are starting to do this more and more. I do not condone it and i think it is a very dishonorable practice. I honestly thought that this would not be an issues. Now that it has become and issue, we are going to deal with it. I feel that gameplay on the server will be effected negativly if we continue to allow chute shooting, therefore we are not going to allow it.

S~
SPaRX

luftw4ffles
05-06-2004, 09:13 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

And your server is aimed at realism? *laugh*

...waits till greatergreen is back up... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/354.gif

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TgD-Sammie
05-06-2004, 10:35 PM
Sparx, if chute kill tracking was reliable, I could easily code it into FBD2. The problem is the server is (incosistently) slow to update player's status (i.e. in their plane, on the ground, in their chute, etc). I would be happy to back you up on a request to Oleg to improve this request. You know how to reach me...

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LeadSpitter_
05-06-2004, 10:41 PM
sucks to ruin a good server with such a lame rule why even have a death kick then??? Its lagging up the game real bad from all the constant joiners. The thing that made me like your servers was its great fighting skillfull players and no sissy rules like, if a plane has flaps down you cant shoot him, wheels on runway means your safe, you cant vulch with bombs rockets or guns. I hope you change your mind sparx and remove the death kick so Warclouds stays full with less lag

Guess ill wait till greatergreen is up or the death kick is removed and same with bs can't shoot a bailer. Very lame stuff man

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Slammin_
05-06-2004, 10:44 PM
I brought my server down tonight. I love how much better I can hear the TV now.

This crowd is a very hard bunch to please. Can't ask them to do what you ask, and can't expect anything but negativity when you don't do whatever they expect.

Nothing personal, but I really can think of better things to do with that box; Linux server, Web server, home automation server, Lomac server, all kinds of things.

Maybe one day I will host IL-2 again, but as long as we have have others that are more willing, I'll more than likely just join great servers such as Sparx's.

LeadSpitter_
05-06-2004, 10:52 PM
lomac server you cant be serious slammin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.giflomac = good skeet targets.

It stinks to see your server go althought I didnt fly in there much but was fun the fly the ai in there a couple times.

you will be back when the patch is around I know it.

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Huxley_S
05-06-2004, 11:03 PM
Slammin, perhaps if you mirrored the War Clouds settings and maps on your server?

You're right that hosting is a tough gig and you get plenty of negative vibes from a few. However, there are plenty of people who really appreciate and enjoy it.

I think Sparx has set a high standard and with his new settings made some bold and interesting decisions that only add to the enjoyment.

If some people don't like it, it isn't any loss... there are people queuing up to play on War Clouds as it is.

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Smoky_161st
05-06-2004, 11:18 PM
Damn why would you want that guy to get in another plane and come gunning for you again lol. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif I wouldn't have hesitated to do so if this was real war not to mention straff there asses on take off.

Slammin_
05-06-2004, 11:48 PM
I'm just waiting for my TR3-Pro to come. I don't want to run my server with ext=enabled and cockpit=off because I no longer prefer to play at those settings, but I don't have the time to try to create a really good full-difficulty server either. I only have one DSL line, so I can't serve and play on a different server at the same time, nor can I join a different server while there are players on my server.

WarClouds is hands down the best DF server on the Internet for the settings I prefer. If I could keep my server populated, I'd prefer to play on it with my +1 ping :-) but alas, useage is too inconsistent, and probably because you are such a picky bunch.

And yes, trying to serve to the community is expectedly thankless, and this I accept. I do however take exception to some of the harsh 'feedback' from some of our more established members, even when it is not directed towards me.

I've said it once, twice, and many times before; we are our own worse enemy. Objective critisizm is welcome, but **** like "And your server is aimed at realism? *laugh*" and your off the wall comments, Leadspitter. Way out there.

It's hard to guess what any/everyone wants, but it really becomes difficult when so called 'veterans' add pure nonsense. And I got beer. And my Tr3 has not arrived yet.

But no matter. This room is so much quieter with that server shut down!

Sweetiecakes
05-07-2004, 12:10 AM
Just yesterday several new players were complaining about harsh treatment from vets. Of course a couple took it wrong and started attacking people that agreed with the new players. Too bad a few bad apples are trying to ruin things for everyone else. Sorry to see your server go, but I understand completely. You don't deserve that kind of abuse, nobody does.

No limpeys please

lbhskier37
05-07-2004, 12:26 AM
Thanks guys for being hosts! I would have one up if I had the bandwidth, and tell everyone that didnt like my settings to piss off http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

But you guys handle the rough criticism great! I do think the deathkick is helping the server out. It is fairly full whenever I want to join, and there seems to be less stupid furballs and more people trying to survive. A great break from co-ops.

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LeadSpitter_
05-07-2004, 12:30 AM
my off the wall comments? Read the thread again that wasnt me who said that. Anyways have fun in lomac with all 39 players max online.

And thanks for hosting while you did slammin, had some fun times in your server when the new plane patchs came out and wanted to see them in externals

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Huxley_S
05-07-2004, 12:33 AM
Some people think that because they have been playing FB for a long time that they have the God given right to hurl abuse at you for not doing what they want.

Best thing to do wgen people whine about your server settings - permanently ban them from your server. Job done!

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Prof.Wizard
05-07-2004, 12:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
Let's try and fly with some honor. Shooting a helpless pilot in his chute is in no way, shape, or form honorable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
But it also happened for real at the last stages of the war! Both sides have been doing it from 1944 on, consistently.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Your rules in your playground are for me LAW, but if you are really considering realism in WarClouds please make up your mind. Afterall, not everyone is doing it... yes many, but not all.

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SodBuster43
05-07-2004, 12:58 AM
I ejected and quickly hit refly when i saw the guy going after my pilot hanging in his chute or rather my pilot and his tail gunner. He never had a chance to "chute" me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Also I have decided to only use the main runway for takeoff and landing. I find myself having to taxi on the grass though to avoid being run over on the taxiway http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

CaptainGelo
05-07-2004, 01:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SodBuster43:
I ejected and quickly hit refly when i saw the guy going after my pilot hanging in his chute or rather my pilot and his tail gunner. He never had a chance to "chute" me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Also I have decided to only use the main runway for takeoff and landing. I find myself having to taxi on the grass though to avoid being run over on the taxiway http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

there is runways? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Stalker58
05-07-2004, 01:05 AM
Please Sparx let deads kick on, because it's the only chance for people without permanent connections (it seems that those with perm connections are hanging on you server all day long) to get in!

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

WUAF_Badsight
05-07-2004, 01:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
I have decided that we will not allow Shooting of pilots in their chute. This is IMHO a very cheap thing to do.
SPaRX
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

not only is shooting parachutes/pilots fun ...... your death kick gave a purpose to it !

thats a lame rule ...... guy gets shot down but still want to be allowed to live

ENNNNNH ....... wrong

the victor should be the one who decides on the chute shooting

VulgarOne
05-07-2004, 01:55 AM
Chute shooting, well it was done by all nations. I think it should be allowed. If the enemy has enough time to make a run at a chute, then your team is not doing its job.

Does not matter when in enemy territory, could be annoying when in own territory. Though would cause you to fight better or be more careful, cause even though you may be able to bail, you might not make it.

Let the chute shooting stay and let the strong survive.

Vulgar

Ironman70
05-07-2004, 01:59 AM
Hey Sparx, if ya want a realistic server ya gotta have chute shooting legal tender bro. It happened in real life it should happen here too.

Huxley_S
05-07-2004, 02:07 AM
I think Sparx is trying to encourage honourable play. You don't have to shoot chutes to win the game. You could try taking out the necessary ground targets or just down 'nuff planes instead.

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Xnomad
05-07-2004, 04:34 AM
God give the man a chance with death kick enabled it's a nice chance to save a life. I don't shoot chutes on Warclouds because of death kick and hope that nobody else does. If you condone chute shooting then everyone will do it and what is the point of even modelling a parachute then? Please explain???? I understand chute shooting vulchers.

If you encourage bailing then your opponent's plane is more likely to crash faster and you are less likely to have your kill stolen. I smoked a plane last night and was shocked when he stuck with it and attacked me. A team mate had to shoot him down. The guy was risking one of his 3 lives by doing this when he should have bailed earlier as his engine could have blown up.

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VFS-22_SPaRX
05-07-2004, 04:52 AM
Dont have time to respond at this moment, i will do so tonight when i get home from work. For now, please goto this post and place your vote. I am gonna leave the decision for chute shooting up to the players.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=223104693

S~ SPaRX

SeaFireLIV
05-07-2004, 05:03 AM
Sparx, you are doing the right thing. I`ve been flying that server and several times been shot down and had to bail. During those bail times I wondered, "Who would be B*stard enough to shoot me knowing that I could be banned for 5 mins?" Luckily no-one did, but I know I wouldn`t have been happy had I been killed that way.

The stakes are much higher now and I think even the chute shooters would not at all like being killed in such a manner. It`s bad enough getting vulched on the ground, which I think we should still allow.

For the record I`ve NEVER shot a guy in a chute (AI or otherwise) and still won`t.

I also believe it would cause some off-server bitterness between players (into the forums, etc). I don`t anyone`s really thought about that...

Perhaps a separate `Hard Core` server can be created where you only have 1 life and where you can shoot bailers.

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Zayets
05-07-2004, 07:44 AM
I never took on Warclouds. Sounds pretty interesting. My fave type server :
- first death = kick (force to re-login)
- rules = there are no rules
-vulch allowed,chute shoot allowed, is not a fair world , remember?
I was downed in my chute many times , first I didn't understood , but it was a scripted server , and to win you have to kill the other guy.Is that simple.

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gates123
05-07-2004, 09:58 AM
Whats so hard about bailing and hitting refly before they can get a shot on your chute? I can care less but yes alot of german pilots died in their shoots towards the end of the war and Doolittle sure the hell didn't condone it. I will have to admit its nice to see furballs at 3500k on Warclouds. I like the settings just would like to see more historical plane match ups instead of a bunch of western front 43-45 planes.

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LeadSpitter_
05-07-2004, 11:44 AM
what about the people who bail out when they are outnumbered in a fight. Some are rather bailing now then being shotdown, come on now. Not of these sissy rules rules, honor what a joke. respect is different you need to earn it

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Huxley_S
05-07-2004, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>what about the people who bail out when they are outnumbered in a fight. Some are rather bailing now then being shotdown, come on now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'll be saying that didn't happen in real life next http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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BaldieJr
05-07-2004, 11:57 AM
Being scared of losing your life is a bit different than being afraid of loosing your slot in a server.

It happened in real life, it just happens far more often online than in real life.

I guess if Oleg would add better engine damage from misuse, the next thing you'll hear on comms is "Sorry guys, I can't fly into this fight, my engines running a bit rough.".

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609IAP_Recon
05-07-2004, 12:01 PM
"Perhaps a separate `Hard Core` server can be created where you only have 1 life and where you can shoot bailers."

Sounds good - more hardcore is good for this simulator http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Salute!

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LeadSpitter_
05-07-2004, 01:50 PM
that would be cool recon but the lag would be so bad from people joining. I would like to see something like that on weekends see who can stay alive the longest, it would make people really work together to stay alive

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VFS-22_SPaRX
05-07-2004, 06:36 PM
Leadspitter,

Its pretty obvious that you are the only one that is experiencing an increase in lag. You might want to look into your PC or connection. I have asked repeatedly many ppl on the Teamspeak server if they are getting any more lag and all of them say no they are not getting lag. Now keep in mind that not only are these guys flying on the server, but they are also on the Teamspeak server that is running on the same machine. So if they guys are not laggin, then its got to be something on your end. I am sorry this is happening to you. One thing everyone had to remember, this is an online game, lag is a given. It will happen and there is nothign anyone can do about it. It is the nature of online gaming.

S~

SPaRX

PS. The ban for Chute shooting will not go into effect due to the vote in the other thread.

VFS-22_SPaRX
05-07-2004, 06:39 PM
JG50_Recon,

I think that is a good idea. But i dont feel that it would be a good thing to do with only having one server ATM. If i had the ability to host more servers, i would gladly throw a server with a one kill and your out setting. I too think that would be alot of fun. But as i am having enough problems getting the funds to host the current server (which btw runs me $180 a month) i do not see me getting another server anytime soon.

S~

SPaRX

TheGozr
05-07-2004, 08:03 PM
I wanted to say that I totally agree with Sparx on the settings on his server.
The reason for that is that it is the closest to the settings of the competition Match we have. ( some minor differences a bit harder )

If you want to feel at ease when fighting in the future fights vs Germany France Russia UK etc.. "warCLouds" is a great training environment. It is the closest settings to the competitions settings if some Veterans can remember http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
AND CHUTE SHOOTING IS no permitted.
As Oleg himself is looking at those competitions.
SO i say Sparx is doing a good job.

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Snow_Wolf_
05-07-2004, 08:21 PM
well there goes the line

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BUG3222
05-07-2004, 11:26 PM
I think the chute should explode just like in Aces High.
Maybe it would look great if the pilot has some kind of damage model but than with the flesh part.
and some blood.
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LeadSpitter_
05-08-2004, 04:45 AM
Ask anyone in the server with a ping under 100, they dont lag for me at all its the people with 275-400 ping who constantly getting the 1-3 warnings like the 335 members and a few others.

Other people with 300 ping dont seem to lag only certain people when your on thier tail they start to warp around badly and it says thier name with the warnings. Is it thier connection or are they inducing it on purpose is the question.

I just recently had my line checked last monday for packet loss and its fine. I also run scans for any spyware that can be taking bandwidth, and theres none just the ubi forum tracking cookies which I always delete

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