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HotelBushranger
10-30-2007, 03:43 AM
From the wikipedia article on the Battle of the Eastern Solomons, a bomb hits the USS Enterprise:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/USS_enterprise-bomb_hit-Bat_eastern_Solomons.jpg

Pirschjaeger
10-30-2007, 04:29 AM
Great photo.

Thanks for sharing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Fritz

ploughman
10-30-2007, 04:42 AM
WoW! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Jasko76
10-30-2007, 04:56 AM
Shizit! What happened to the cameraman? That's one in a million, must have squeezed the trigger just as the bomb was about to hit the deck.

F19_Orheim
10-30-2007, 05:11 AM
If I recall the story correctly about this pic, the camera man actually survived the shot, maybe a few bruises.

Bremspropeller
10-30-2007, 05:23 AM
I guess he was deaf for a second.

Clipper_51
10-30-2007, 05:23 AM
I believe I first saw this photo in the old "Air War,: book series from Edward Jablonski, published in the early 1970's.

The caption indicated that the camerman was killed and the film was later recovered from his camera.

HotelBushranger
10-30-2007, 05:40 AM
It's just like the effects (I forget what its called) that you can do in photoshop, that I used to do when doing edited shots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

F19_Orheim
10-30-2007, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by Clipper_51:
I believe I first saw this photo in the old "Air War,: book series from Edward Jablonski, published in the early 1970's.

The caption indicated that the camerman was killed and the film was later recovered from his camera.

Actually there has been some confusion about this particular photo. The photographer whom you are talking about, Photographer's Mate Second Class Robert Frederic Read (http://www.cv6.org/noumea/default.asp?uri=detail/kane-img-z--3100001), who was first credited for taking the snap, was indeed killed during this attack.

However,the picture is a still from a film taken by Photographer's Mate Marion Riley (http://www.cv6.org/noumea/default.asp?uri=detail/riley-img-z--3200006), and he indeed did survive the attack, though the camera was busted.

Here is the story about the picture (http://www.cv6.org/1942/solomons/solomons_2.htm):

http://www.cv6.org/images/solomon3.jpg

One of the most famous images of the Pacific War - a bomb caught at the instant it exploded on the Big E's flight deck during the Eastern Solomons battle - has long been attributed to Photographer's Mate Second Class Robert Frederic Read. Read lost his life during the battle of 24 August 1942 and it is widely believed that his final photo was of the bomb that killed him.

While outwardly plausible, the story contradicts the historical record. Enterprise's action report for 24 August 1942 indicates that four photographers were in action during the afternoon attack. Ralph Baker (PhoM 1/c) and Read both operated still cameras: Baker from a point forward of the island, Read from the aft starboard 5" gun gallery, at flight deck level. Marion Riley (PhoM 2/c) manned a motion picture camera from the aft end of the ship's island, above the flight deck. W. Edward Smith (PhoM 2/c) was stationed in the Air Plot, also in the ship's island.

Read, the action report states, photographed the enemy planes as they attacked and were shot down. The first bomb to strike the ship did not deter him, but the second bomb destroyed the gun platform were Read was stationed. Read was killed instantly by this bomb, along with 37 other men. The bomb exploding in the photo was the third to hit the ship, and was photographed from above the flight deck.

Torpedo Ten photographer Joe Houston recently contacted both Smith and Riley's son, Marion Riley III. Ed Smith indicated, and Mr. Riley confirmed, that the photo is Marion Riley's. Riley's camera was damaged by the explosion, but the film survived. A dramatic sequence of stills from the film was published in Life Magazine months after the battle.

Read's legacy is not diminished by this revelation. It appears that at least one of Read's photos survives to this day: that of an enemy plane burning on the sea (http://www.cv6.org/noumea/default.asp?uri=detail/usna-img-z--1200017) while the Big E races by just yards away. The ship's rail, the curve of the hull, and the angle of the shot all indicate this photo was taken from the aft starboard quarter of the ship, where Read was stationed. More of Read's photos probably languish in the archives, waiting only for proper identification.

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ddpairborne59
10-30-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
WoW! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I'll double WOW that !

NAFP_supah
10-30-2007, 01:41 PM
And this is exactly why telephoto lenses are worth their initial investment http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Brownba
10-30-2007, 01:57 PM
Here's a video of the attack:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kFXcnUtMT4A

F19_Orheim
10-30-2007, 02:31 PM
thank you... those are really gruesome pictures... war is sick.

major_setback
10-30-2007, 02:34 PM
Amazing work on finding info on this guys!

Great teamwork. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rammjaeger
10-30-2007, 02:47 PM
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/FlakLG.jpg

F19_Orheim
10-30-2007, 02:53 PM
h-o-l-y smoke.... i had no idea... look at those shrapnels!!!

K_Freddie
10-30-2007, 03:12 PM
Amazing flak burst, Oleg has undermodelled IL2 flak.
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Korolov1986
10-30-2007, 03:31 PM
All I can say is...

Who farted?

ElAurens
10-30-2007, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Amazing flak burst, Oleg has undermodelled IL2 flak.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

No, Oleg has intentionally undermodeled human damage. Some of you may remember back in the days of IL2 V1.0 or so, Oleg actually posted that the human damage model was not accurate, as if I remember correctly, no one would play the game if it was accurate.

Lurch1962
10-30-2007, 05:52 PM
That flak burst photo is amazing. What you see of the shrapnel pattern is only part of the wide cone being flung out more-or-less perpendicularly to the direction of travel of the shell. Note how it peters out with distance due to dispersion. Imagine the entire pattern replicated in the surrounding air as well. The appearance suggests that the shell was moving in the general direction of the camera, and the shrapnel pattern could be described as "reaching forward" so as to envelop the target. Good thing it detonated early!

VonGrantoven
10-30-2007, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Clipper_51:
I believe I first saw this photo in the old "Air War,: book series from Edward Jablonski, published in the early 1970's.

The caption indicated that the camerman was killed and the film was later recovered from his camera.

Actually there has been some confusion about this particular photo. The photographer whom you are talking about, Photographer's Mate Second Class Robert Frederic Read (http://www.cv6.org/noumea/default.asp?uri=detail/kane-img-z--3100001), who was first credited for taking the snap, was indeed killed during this attack.

However,the picture is a still from a film taken by Photographer's Mate Marion Riley (http://www.cv6.org/noumea/default.asp?uri=detail/riley-img-z--3200006), and he indeed did survive the attack, though the camera was busted.

Here is the story about the picture (http://www.cv6.org/1942/solomons/solomons_2.htm):

http://www.cv6.org/images/solomon3.jpg

One of the most famous images of the Pacific War - a bomb caught at the instant it exploded on the Big E's flight deck during the Eastern Solomons battle - has long been attributed to Photographer's Mate Second Class Robert Frederic Read. Read lost his life during the battle of 24 August 1942 and it is widely believed that his final photo was of the bomb that killed him.

While outwardly plausible, the story contradicts the historical record. Enterprise's action report for 24 August 1942 indicates that four photographers were in action during the afternoon attack. Ralph Baker (PhoM 1/c) and Read both operated still cameras: Baker from a point forward of the island, Read from the aft starboard 5" gun gallery, at flight deck level. Marion Riley (PhoM 2/c) manned a motion picture camera from the aft end of the ship's island, above the flight deck. W. Edward Smith (PhoM 2/c) was stationed in the Air Plot, also in the ship's island.

Read, the action report states, photographed the enemy planes as they attacked and were shot down. The first bomb to strike the ship did not deter him, but the second bomb destroyed the gun platform were Read was stationed. Read was killed instantly by this bomb, along with 37 other men. The bomb exploding in the photo was the third to hit the ship, and was photographed from above the flight deck.

Torpedo Ten photographer Joe Houston recently contacted both Smith and Riley's son, Marion Riley III. Ed Smith indicated, and Mr. Riley confirmed, that the photo is Marion Riley's. Riley's camera was damaged by the explosion, but the film survived. A dramatic sequence of stills from the film was published in Life Magazine months after the battle.

Read's legacy is not diminished by this revelation. It appears that at least one of Read's photos survives to this day: that of an enemy plane burning on the sea (http://www.cv6.org/noumea/default.asp?uri=detail/usna-img-z--1200017) while the Big E races by just yards away. The ship's rail, the curve of the hull, and the angle of the shot all indicate this photo was taken from the aft starboard quarter of the ship, where Read was stationed. More of Read's photos probably languish in the archives, waiting only for proper identification.

.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I dont mean to cast doubts on the legacy of Mr Read, but it appears to me as if the shot of the burning planes in the water attributed to him also come from the video footage (also linked above) which included the bomb explosion.
Just after the bomb hits the deck, the camera pans to the left over the rail and catches the burning planes.
I include screens of both the picture attributed to Read and a capture from the video shot by Riley.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff292/VonGrantoven/Readpic.jpg http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff292/VonGrantoven/BigEvideo.jpg

zardozid
10-30-2007, 10:45 PM
WOW! thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

F19_Orheim
10-31-2007, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by VonGrantoven:
...
I dont mean to cast doubts on the legacy of Mr Read, but it appears to me as if the shot of the burning planes in the water attributed to him also come from the video footage (also linked above) which included the bomb explosion.
Just after the bomb hits the deck, the camera pans to the left over the rail and catches the burning planes.


Yes I agree, I noticed that as well when I saw that flick. He could of course have taken a picture of the same "scene", but according to testemonies above and the course of action, Mr Read would have been killed when Enterprise passed by these planes (if the last bomb in the movie is indeed the famous impact).

However I am not sure it is, as according to what is stated ealier, Riley's camera was busted at the instant that bomb hit (the famous shot), and on the footage the camera continues to film.

Still, considering the composition of the photo (angles, object in focus etc), it is quite clear that this is indeed a still from the film mentioned.