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01-18-2007, 06:52 AM
I was in a mixed coop with the 99th the other night. It was all F6F's and meatballs. As per I was ground poundin' but after I'd expended ordinance and we got "Red Wins!" I decided to go huntin'. I use track IR and out of the corner of my eye I see a Red tangled up in a dogfight with a couple of Ki's.

The guy (can't remember his handle) is smokin' but holding his own, just barely. Both of the Ki's gets on his six so I fire wall it. I spray a few shots at tail end Charlie and he loops away, I close in enough to get on Primary Blues 6 and let him have all six. I get good hits but in the turn fight I lose track of em. When I straighten out I look around just in time to see a firey collision in front of me. Both gone, both were breathers...

What I don't understand is why this scenario upsets me so. The guy wasn't a squaddie, just a visitor but I was so instantly invested in his 2 on 1 struggle to survive that I was really saddened at him/her going out like that. I don't care bout not getting any kills I just wanted him/her to survive the mission. I wanted to help, but in the end I couldn't.

Here it is two days later and I'm still thinkin' about it all. Games shouldn't affect you like this should they?

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01-18-2007, 07:44 AM
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01-18-2007, 07:50 AM
No reason why not, people get more invested in golf/squash/football at their local sports club than you are in this game. Apart from a certain level of sweat and energy expenditure I don't see any difference.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-18-2007, 07:54 AM
dude as long as you didn't drop to your knees while raising your hands up in the air in despair and screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" at the top of your lungs... it's okay haha.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


01-18-2007, 08:12 AM
Immersion! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

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01-18-2007, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Deadmeat313:
Immersion! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Immersion. Got to love it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


01-18-2007, 09:19 AM
No, games should not affect you in that way.

I have the same problem sometimes, where something will happen while flying this sim and I will find myself thinking about it later on in the day or night.

Right, people get the same way over games of all kind, that does not mean it is healthy.
I remember when we were kids, my brother running to his room and crying when it was apparent his team was going to lose the superbowl, and also I remember him doing the same thing when I beat him at ping-pong.

In this day and age, especially in the society of the west, I think we use games as a substitute for something that our lives should have, but don't have because of modern society, or that we don't have because we are living in a way that evolved so fast that human evolution does not have an answer for it.

I think if we had real distractions, like wives, children to raise and jobs which gave us a feeling of fulfillment, we would not be getting it from sports, video games and watching lame television shows like American Idol or Cops.

I know if I find a real activity, using my hands or mind to do something physically or mentally constructive and productive that helps myself or a family member or friend with their lives, then I tend to spend less time on myself, including sitting around playing the flight sim, or doing stuff like this.

In short I think we need to get a life, so we don't look like that big-butted, beer-bellied gamer geek, who's life goes by while his face is buried in a computer monitor fighting goblins and saving princesses.

01-18-2007, 09:35 AM
I think it`s relatively healthy and to be expected if you take your online flying and wingman\allied ethics seriously. You wanted to help and failed - you feel bad. It`s natural.

It`s natural because while you were playing a game, you were still playing with REAL people. You know that it`s not AI, but a real person desperately trying to virtually survive against the odds and YOu could change those odds. At that very moment, the stranger, a world away was really hoping for someone to get him out of this virtual bad news.

You sensed that.

I`ve felt similar feelings too.

Of course, he doesn`t die, he`s just dissapointed, went for a beer/smoke/pepsi and he`s probably forgotten about it by now.

You should too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-18-2007, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
I think if we had real distractions, like wives, children to raise and jobs which gave us a feeling of fulfillment, we would not be getting it from sports, video games and watching lame television shows like American Idol or Cops.

You do know that a lot of people dig themselves into that just to for a while avoid all the
distractions of wife, children and what the job was already over today.

Some people even take their gaming to work by discussing with others or even playing at work.
Over half the people I've seen in offices tend to be doing something not work over half the
time while in shop floor jobs it tends to be much less wasted time. It gets them out of work
whike they are at work, till the boss is coming anyway.

Like anything else, the game can take over and become that place to go to avoid real stress
and work out real stress releases without perhaps harming others and real property. It can
be good or bad depending on the obsessiveness of the player, his wife, kids, job, etc.

01-18-2007, 10:32 AM
Without a doubt I've too much going on my life to consider this "reality" or anything like it. It's like anything I do I suppose, while I know it's a game and I joke around with my squaddies terribly (Klingon sense of humor I suppose) I do try and do what responsible pilots should do.

Most instances I bomb, I get shot down or limp back home.. I rarely look for one on ones unless the situation is thrust upon me as this was. I'm not "losing sleep' over this Seafire, it's more like I'm surprised I care. I stopped crying over sporting events (mostly) decades ago but this is a bit more personal. You see the icon, you know it's not a faceless A.I., you see the person's perdicament and you're just a bit too late...

Sigh... Get over it I guess.

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01-18-2007, 12:01 PM
Perhaps you have had a parallel situation IRL that you have not gotten emotioned-out on
and your sub-conscious has related the two?

01-18-2007, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
...buried in a computer monitor fighting goblins and saving princesses.

I do that in real life. Working in the Spanish administration, you really get to fight many goblins and save quite a few princesses -who never kiss you, poor frog- every day. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

01-18-2007, 01:01 PM
It's our passion for the game brother. I also think about missions good and bad for days afterwards also. Like any hobby, reflection is how we learn and grow to be better at what we do. This is our hobby and we want to be good at it. Like Tuly said, it's no different than any other hobby really at the end of the day.

S! Sir. See you in the skies latter tonite.

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01-18-2007, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Perhaps you have had a parallel situation IRL that you have not gotten emotioned-out on
and your sub-conscious has related the two?
I think you hit it. I know where I'm getting this feeling from... It involves the death of my older brother, at age 44 from cancer. I couldn't help him either. It was the exact same feeling (to a far greater extent) but the same be sure. Chit...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">