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AndyJWest
10-08-2009, 02:21 PM
I haven't seen this documented anywhere, so people may not realise a nice touch with some of the new 4.09m planes. The closed-cockpit ones (Avia-B-534, Fokker D.XXI and I-16 type 5) not only have opening cockpits, but with the cockpit open 'Toggle Seat Position' selects an alternate view - off to the side for the Fokker and I-16, and higher up for the Avia:

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/CL1.jpg
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/CL2.jpg

You will need to assign keys for these controls if they aren't already set.

This is presumably to assist in taxiing and low-speed flight - open cockpits cause increased drag and will affect performance.

Waldo.Pepper
10-08-2009, 02:35 PM
Neato. Would have been nice to see this written down. Like in a readme or something. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jim57
10-08-2009, 02:36 PM
This is a great post!! Thanks for finding this!

Jim

Romanator21
10-08-2009, 02:54 PM
Have you also noticed that the pilots move the stick in outside view as well? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jure_502
10-08-2009, 02:58 PM
Thanks for info! Great! Just fantastic! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Hurra for TD! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://www.shrani.si/f/37/2F/4mTkWLi7/leanout.jpg

RPMcMurphy
10-08-2009, 02:59 PM
I am such a corsair carrier junkie you can bet I will be using that alright. Coo-ool.

crucislancer
10-08-2009, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
Neato. Would have been nice to see this written down. Like in a readme or something. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

True, but sometimes it's neat to find these things on your own.

ffb
10-08-2009, 04:43 PM
ssssshhh... if they forget to add it....it gets called an easter egg!

stalkervision
10-08-2009, 04:57 PM
that's really neat and great but bob/wov has had that for ages and also mouse usable cockpit switches and controls. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

glad it is now here thou.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
10-08-2009, 05:01 PM
it will give some of you multiplayer guys a real rush I bet looking behind you now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AndyJWest
10-08-2009, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
it will give some of you multiplayer guys a real rush I bet looking behind you now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Um, that might not be a good idea - open cockpit canopies slow planes down. I'll try to do some tests tomorrow to see by how much.

stalkervision
10-08-2009, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by AndyJWest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
it will give some of you multiplayer guys a real rush I bet looking behind you now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Um, that might not be a good idea - open cockpit canopies slow planes down. I'll try to do some tests tomorrow to see by how much. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Might be neat in a tight turn situation looking behind you while being shot at. Try that one too andy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I have done this in the bob and it's pretty fun to do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

The_Stealth_Owl
10-08-2009, 08:21 PM
Ummm. This feature was in pacific fighters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M_Gunz
10-08-2009, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Ummm. This feature was in pacific fighters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was waiting for someone to note that. It still works for the planes that have it.

julian265
10-08-2009, 09:15 PM
^ Such as the corsair!


Originally posted by RPMcMurphy:
I am such a corsair carrier junkie you can bet I will be using that alright. Coo-ool.

Waldo.Pepper
10-08-2009, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Ummm. This feature was in pacific fighters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But it stuck your head up. Not to the side.

WARNING OPINIONS FOLLOW!!!

I always though of it as unnecessary in PF and unrealistically implemented. I thought that the level of movement that it allowed was excessive so much so that it amounted to a cheat (of realism).

I always thought that it was a cludge or a fudge to obviate the harder task (for the programmers) of introducing a proper LSO (or equivalent for the IJN) carriers.

na85
10-08-2009, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
that's really neat and great but bob/wov has had that for ages and also mouse usable cockpit switches and controls. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

glad it is now here thou.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Who cares? This is an IL2 forum.

AndyJWest
10-09-2009, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Ummm. This feature was in pacific fighters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yup, but that was a 'raise seat' feature, rather than a 'lean sideways' one as in the new Fokker D.XXI and I-16 type 5. The Avia viewpoint is raised, but to nothing like the extent the PF ones are. I think the PF raised seats are ridiculously high, in the F4U for instance I doubt you could even reach the rudder pedals from the raised position.

It would be nice to have this feature, along with opening cockpits, added to existing planes, but I doubt that TD would consider it a priority. A properly implemented and realistic 6DOF option would be even better, but that is a major task.

If TD could be persuaded to look at incorporating this into existing aircraft, I'd suggest that the two Fiat fighters are prime candidates, since you can't see the runway at all with the default viewpoint...

fabianfred
10-09-2009, 03:30 AM
I never really used the raised seat option...but this to-the-side would be great for all cockpits which open....to allow seeing the plane ahead when in closed pit servers on take-off

willyvic
10-09-2009, 03:58 AM
fabianfred...check PM.

EDIT: Check that...disregard...

WV

AndyJWest
10-09-2009, 05:15 AM
In order to determine the effects of canopy position on speed, I ran a few tests using my prototype autopilot system. The tests were all carried out under the following conditions:

Map: Crimea
Weather: Clear
Time: Noon:
Altitude: 2000m
Heading: 270 degrees
Complex Engine Management: On
Mixture 100%
Fuel: 50%

My autopilot currently tends to overcontrol these relatively light aircraft, leading to slightly unsteady flight. This may have had a minor detramental effect on speeds.

'Wonder Woman' view was used to determine TAS.

Avia B-534
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369 km/h TAS canopy closed
363 km/h TAS canopy open

These speeds are with radiator position 6 to keep a stable engine temperature. With canopy closed and radiator fully open, TAS drops to 366 km/h, closing both gives 374 km/h but overheating rapidly.

The raised view option works at all speeds.


I-16 type 5
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420 km/h TAS canopy closed
413 km/h canopy open

These speeds are with the radiator fully open, though even with this, the engine overheats.

The 'leaning out 'option works at all speeds, but there are graphical anomalies when looking sideways and backwards.


Fokker D.XXI (sarja 3 late)
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When used in the air, the 'Toggle Seat Position' option only opens and closes the side panels on the canopy, and has no effect on viewpoint. The TAS was apparently unaffected by this, at 356 km/h.

If used on the ground, the left hand side of the canopy door opens, and the viewpoint is moveable. However, if left in this position after takeoff, the door fell off at approx 250 km/h IAS. The viewpoint remained stuck in the position it was then in, leaning out. In this condition the TAS dropped to 341 km/h at 2000m. With the fixed offset viewpoint, the gunsight would be unuseable.

The Fokker tends to overheat at full throttle, and has no radiator control.