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TAGERT.
09-04-2005, 12:13 AM
Here are some pictures..

http://www.heroesofthepacific.com/images/screens/images/Heroes29.JPG
http://www.heroesofthepacific.com/images/screens/images/Heroes30.JPG
http://www.heroesofthepacific.com/images/screens/images/Heroes31.JPG
http://www.heroesofthepacific.com/images/screens/images/Heroes32.JPG

One small problem.. it aint Pacific Fighters but some ghay XBOX like shoot-em-up PC game called..

http://www.heroesofthepacific.com/images/planes/Devastatorbig.jpg

UBI News (http://www.ubi.com/US/News/Info.aspx?nId=3383)
heroes of the pacific sight (http://www.heroesofthepacific.com/)

WarWolfe_1
09-04-2005, 12:18 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Here I thought.......

F0_Dark_P
09-04-2005, 12:28 AM
Can't that be a good strategy?, Ubisoft introduces WWII history to the console kids, and that lead to the kids beginning to look for other sims, and that will first and foremost be il2, couse il2 is the best sim on the market and will be for a long time with BoB

it might be a long-term strategy to shovel in new people to the flight sim genre, that never would play such games

F19_Olli72
09-04-2005, 03:07 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

hmm on the site it also says:
"Planes

€ Over thirty-five WWII aircraft, including all major US and Japanese models

€ Bonus planes from the U.K., Germany, and the USSR

€ Plane types include: Fighters, Dive Bombers, Torpedo Bombers, Bombers, and Experimental

€ Upgradeable planes to actual models for a total of over ninety planes "

Specially the "bonus" planes seems odd, but i imagine they're just going to take some planes from FB/PF to add some more content? Why cant they do the opposite then and take some models from PH to PF? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Oh and the lower left plane silhouette on the 'plane' page is that a P-61???

Capt_Haddock
09-04-2005, 03:40 AM
Heroes of The pacific is being published in Europe by Codemasters. Despite the general incompetence of Codies' management their licensing lawyers are very good, and they are used to dealing with car manufacturers and such. As you can see in their website the planes use military designations, not trademarks (Grumman, Northrop, etc). It would have been that easy for Pacific Fighters.

On a side note. Funny to see Heroes being published in the States by... Ubisoft? Hahahahaha. Nice one Codies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh3.jpg

major_setback
09-04-2005, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

....Oh and the lower left plane silhouette on the 'plane' page is that a P-61???

This? (Made by Nowrthwrop!)

http://www.heroesofthepacific.com/images/wallpaper/HOTP_Black_Widow_%20Flyer.jpg

Also a later Seafire (?):


http://www.heroesofthepacific.com/images/wallpaper/HOTP_Seafire_Attack.jpg

major-setback. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

woofiedog
09-04-2005, 04:45 AM
There is a Demo out of PH... but it Studders so bad on my Rig... it remminds me of my 79 Pinto Wagon starting up.

major_setback
09-04-2005, 05:14 AM
Demo link (I havn't tested this yet):

http://games.softpedia.com/get/Games-Demo/Heroes-of-the-Pacific-Demo.shtml

capt_frank
09-04-2005, 07:13 AM
i just tried it and thot it was major ****.

deleted from HD

**** = kerap

Dtools4fools
09-04-2005, 07:57 AM
Regarding pic one:

If that plane dropped that torpedo, then the torpedo went into "highway mode" and overtook the plane or what?

It would be very nice those planes in IL-2 however...

****

VW-IceFire
09-04-2005, 08:46 AM
I think those are our planes too....by our I mean planes developed for PF. Because they imported a whole whack of the other aircraft from PF as well...

Shame.

I guess the legal situation changed or something else is in effect.

Also, that Seafire is a post WWII Seafire 47 which is based on the Spitfire Mark 22. Its bloody fast and rivals the early jets in speed, firepower, and climb.

p1ngu666
09-04-2005, 08:50 AM
shame http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

PBNA-Boosher
09-04-2005, 09:58 AM
Stupy Ubi. Who would think that we actually want a flyable TBD devastator? It would be unthinkable! Why the hell would we want it?

Kuna15
09-04-2005, 10:32 AM
Some of arguably most important battles in Pacific (early/mid war) saw torpedo bombers from both sides as the main actors in airwar. They could made a difference by sinking enemy shipping and they did...

So IMHO torpedo bombers are 'a must' for Pacific airwar sim.

PF will remain to be excellent sim, but it would be really awesome with just one flyable 1-engine torp bomber on each side.

"Flyable Kate instead of flyable Val, flyable Devastator or Avenger instead of SBD Dauntless". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Olli72
09-04-2005, 10:41 AM
Are all planes available in demo? Was thinking if i bought it, it would be for screenshots only of course... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

-HH-Dubbo
09-04-2005, 01:33 PM
.... As you can see in their website the planes use military designations, not trademarks (Grumman, Northrop, etc). It would have been that easy for Pacific Fighters.


Hmm except in the very next post major_setback has a promo shot from the game of the P-61. The P-61 is referred to "Industry Leading P61A Black Widow "The Ace in the Hole"" in the shot. So there's gotta be more involved than what you say Capt_Haddock http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

wayno7777
09-04-2005, 01:41 PM
Tried to install the demo but it said it won't run on my machine. Guess you need XP...

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
09-04-2005, 01:53 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif well thats one title for my xbox then whooohoo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif does it support track ir ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

F19_Olli72
09-04-2005, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Dubbo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">.... As you can see in their website the planes use military designations, not trademarks (Grumman, Northrop, etc). It would have been that easy for Pacific Fighters.


Hmm except in the very next post major_setback has a promo shot from the game of the P-61. The P-61 is referred to "Industry Leading P61A Black Widow "The Ace in the Hole"" in the shot. So there's gotta be more involved than what you say Capt_Haddock http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well thats exactly what Captn' means, P-61 was produced by Northrop. Not "Industry Leading" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Capt_Haddock
09-04-2005, 02:23 PM
Exactly Olli http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
"Northrop" is the forbidden word.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh3.jpg

Enforcer572005
09-04-2005, 04:34 PM
everyday i live I hate lawyers and judges more.....as well as company execs who are all totally ignorant of aircraft and history.

I see these same companies buy ads in all sort of magazines just to get their name some air time, including tv comericials. You would think they would want people to see their names and be familiar wiht the history of thier products and thier role in past conflicts-schools sure dont teach this.

When I was in high school (30+yrs ago) I sent requests to NOrthrop, Mcdonnell Douglass, and Lockheed for whatever material or photos they had for free. I got a large number (over 20) of BW 8x10s, actual photo prints on kodack paper, of everything from a P-61 to the "new" F-5E. Got all sorts of promotional material to. MD sent some smaller photos and a nifty company catalogue, and lockheed sent me a blasted calender and some photos as well. OH yeah, bell helicopter sent some photos as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I guess the type of thinking is a bit different now. How do photographers and the news media keep out of court? I hope all those morons were on vacation on the beach in the middle of that hurricane.....and surfing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

JunkoIfurita
09-04-2005, 05:29 PM
News Media is home to some of the most devious law departments on the planet. Be sure.

(musings of a freelance writer...)

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huggy87
09-04-2005, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
everyday i live I hate lawyers and judges more.....as well as company execs who are all totally ignorant of aircraft and history.


Amen. The worst are the ones on tv or phonebooks trying to get business for accidents. Is it as bad in the rest of the world as it is in the U.S.?

Luftwaffe_109
09-04-2005, 06:45 PM
Perhaps you all will not be so vocal in your disgust of lawyers next time you find yourselves in need of the services of one?

jarink
09-04-2005, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Luftwaffe_109:
Perhaps you all will not be so vocal in your disgust of lawyers next time you find yourselves in need of the services of one?

A large part of the disgust is based on the fact that, in present society, it is virtually inevitable that a lawyer's services will be needed, even for things that did not require those services only a few to several years ago. The 'sue everyone' mentality has made a mockery of our court system, in my opinion. (For the record, my aunt is a lawyer. Even so, she agrees in principle that some things have gotten out of hand in her profession.)

This situation is second only to problems with our patent office when it comes to stifling freedom, personal responsibility and innovation in the USA.

Luftwaffe_109
09-04-2005, 07:20 PM
It seems to me that your gripe should then be with society itself, not with the legal profession. If people are more inclined to sue than they once were one can hardly blame the legal profession, for they are there simply to represent their clients. I agree that many disputes do not really belong in the highly expensive litigation system €" probably this is why we have seen such a remarkable surge in Alternative Dispute Resolution systems in the US in the last twenty years.

Regards

huggy87
09-04-2005, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by Luftwaffe_109:
Perhaps you all will not be so vocal in your disgust of lawyers next time you find yourselves in need of the services of one?

They can definitely provide a useful service, and the silent majority are probably honest and hardworking. But you have to admit that the ads are pretty obnoxious. What are you, a lawyer yourself {getting pitchfork}. Aren't you from greece? How is it there?

Luftwaffe_109
09-04-2005, 08:38 PM
Law student only at the moment. To be honest I haven't seen any of these ad campaigns you describe in the US so I am not really in a position to disagree with you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I will say, though, that dislike for the legal profession is not confined to the States by any stretch of the imagination. Its quite universal, and that includes in my nation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kuna15
09-04-2005, 08:41 PM
TBH I don't like this 'hunting down the witches' part.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif I am not defending any profession here, just it is really odd that we are jumping on lawyers in this particular case. It is not their fault.

I think there is many prejudices about this profession.

tagTaken2
09-04-2005, 09:36 PM
This thread topic was pure cruelty. I was overjoyed for the 2 seconds it took to open. Here I am now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Re. the hatred of the legal profession, I'd say that the majority of the blame lies with the greed of the suing public (esp with no-win, no-fee offers), and the myopic stupidity of juries.

Chuck_Older
09-05-2005, 07:54 AM
Northrop Grumman Corporation. NGC for short. There is no "Northrop"

How do I know? From working with the Boeing Company (they aren't named 'Boeing' and no paperwork from the company ever says "Boeing" it's "the Boeing Company") and NavAir for work on contracts with NGC and the Boeing Company http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Da_Godfatha
09-05-2005, 09:12 AM
I see that this theme has become another "Urban Legend". Maybe some of you should E-mail Northrop and ask for the real truth on this. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

BTW, Chuck_Older, did you know the real Chuck Older was the Judge at the Charlie Manson trial. Strange things you can learn by using Google (TM).....(I don`t want to pi$$ anyone off there!)

Chuck_Older
09-05-2005, 10:28 AM
Yes