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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 01:57 PM
This is my second FB movie and my best so far /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I'll set the scene...

Two British piloted Hurricanes are assisted by two American piloted P-47's in an attack on a German bomber squadron.
Four He-111's accompanied by two Ju-87's and two FW-190's try desperatley to defend themselves but are overwhelmed by this small force of fighter 'Aces'.
However... The 'aces' suffer some casualties /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://www.appy55.dsl.pipex.com/FB/sacrifice.avi

The video is 31.9MB is in Xvid Codec and is 5 minutes 26 seconds long.

Xvid Codec can be downloaded here...

http://www.xvidmovies.com/codec/

All these screenshots are straight captures from the video. What you see is what you get /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.appy55.dsl.pipex.com/FB/sacrificeshots.jpg

I desperately wanted aircraft sound FX and pilot voices but sadly gave up when this started proving a little difficult. Fraps19d as you know records no sound so I captured sound from my recorded tracks seperately and tried to sync them up later. Didn't work /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

EDIT *** Pipex servers are playing up a litle today, if you can't get a download going please keep trying /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Message Edited on 10/02/0303:20AM by Scragbat

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 01:57 PM
This is my second FB movie and my best so far /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I'll set the scene...

Two British piloted Hurricanes are assisted by two American piloted P-47's in an attack on a German bomber squadron.
Four He-111's accompanied by two Ju-87's and two FW-190's try desperatley to defend themselves but are overwhelmed by this small force of fighter 'Aces'.
However... The 'aces' suffer some casualties /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://www.appy55.dsl.pipex.com/FB/sacrifice.avi

The video is 31.9MB is in Xvid Codec and is 5 minutes 26 seconds long.

Xvid Codec can be downloaded here...

http://www.xvidmovies.com/codec/

All these screenshots are straight captures from the video. What you see is what you get /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.appy55.dsl.pipex.com/FB/sacrificeshots.jpg

I desperately wanted aircraft sound FX and pilot voices but sadly gave up when this started proving a little difficult. Fraps19d as you know records no sound so I captured sound from my recorded tracks seperately and tried to sync them up later. Didn't work /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

EDIT *** Pipex servers are playing up a litle today, if you can't get a download going please keep trying /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Message Edited on 10/02/0303:20AM by Scragbat

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 02:20 PM
Nice pictures!

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 02:24 PM
Wow../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif ..Great! Anybody has not seen this movie yet?
It reminds me of Von Tom's pics. Looks like taken by cam. nice effect! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 02:34 PM
S! Scragbat

Love watching the Hurricanes use those very nice 20mm cannons cut up and slice up those He-111 Bombers. Nice!http://www.dslextreme.com/users/mwss/images/banana.gif


Scragbat great job...had alot of action...kept me entertain thru-out the video. Great camera angles with nice close-ups.

At times there was a little jerkyless here and there..but still a very entertaining video...love every minute of it.

Keep up the good work...look forward to the next one.

I don't believe I seen your first movie. Is here a link:


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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 02:44 PM
I think your host is down. Fix it!! I really wanna see this movie.

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 03:05 PM
I had the privilege to be the first to view this movie at a private screening.

Scragbat has put in the best part of 50 hours work. and it shows.

Excellent work mate, don't forget us when your working with George Lucus!

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 03:11 PM
Thanks for feedback and I'm glad you are all so far enjoying my video (no flames yet phew!).

My goal was to try and simulate something on playback that FB does not have in game.
A realistic camera motion.
I tried to have the externals looking like they were shot from another aircraft and I think I have achieved this.
I also wanted realistic ground shake for explosions and think I managed that too.

As for my first video, well I had to remove it from my server because I didn't have enough room to upload this one.
Believe me you're not missing anything.
My first vid was really just a test with fraps of some guncam spray and pray shots.
I got justifiably flamed I suppose, and that criticism inspired me to do this.

Hope those that are interested manage to view it.

You will not believe the hours that were put into this and the outrageous times I was going to bed /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I've contacted Pipex and they say there are intermitant problems with web servers that should be soon fixed...

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 03:19 PM
LOL Parrot, thanks for the praise.

You're actually not the first person to view it. I had Kate Moss and Liz Hurley over before you. Nell McAndrew couldn't make it, other commitments /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 03:56 PM
Excellent flick Scrab. I have seen most of the IL2 movies available, and this is technically the absolute best!!!! No question about it. Looked very realitic with the cameramovements and all.

If you could work a little on you storyboards, I guarantee that u will end up with the absolute best movie ever. Your "movieskills" and Mysticpumas sense of music and editing would make a masterpiece, I assure you.

It would be very interesting to take part of a more detailed "how I did it"

Hope you post this movie and stuff around it on
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Cheers mate and Salute to you!!

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10-01-2003, 04:06 PM
Very well done!

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 04:18 PM
Hello Scragbat,

This is truelly a masterpiece. It looks realistic! What software did you use? Premiere, Vegas? Did you use secondary effects software? If so which one and what effects? Please share.

Very good work! Another one in my favorites directory. Keep up the good work.

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 04:36 PM
Scragbat,

Excellent stuff!! Far and away the best I've seen.

I had my fingers drumming on the table through the whole thing. Great subject, great editing, great effects, great everything. It was a riot to watch and this is definitely the film to show anyone who doesn't understand the glorious fun of flight simming.

Tons of fun, Thanks. And thanks for the DivX code link too.

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 04:52 PM
Wow, this is revolution of FB movie.

I wish FB itself shows this color feel. (thou I heard it needs huge additional performance.)

Heh, I'm greedy. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 05:07 PM
This movie takes FB video making another step. Therefore the criticism needs to be fussy too.

- The "camera shaking heavily" effect shouldn`t sync with the firing unless filmed from inside the cockpit of the plane doing the firing. An external camera (in a plane close by?) wouldn`t be affected by another plane`s cannons firing. Better in these situastions to use the "slowly fluctuating" effect which was terrific. With synced heavy shaking used only where it would be realistic, the effect would be greater.
- There was one instance where the "slowly fluctuating camera" effect should have been less evident: The scene where three bombers are filmed from below. This scene would have to have been shot from the ground and would probably be steadier - perhaps not inert, but steadier.
- Almost all FB movies are shot during "12 o`clock, good weather" conditions. Why? One of the aspects I enjoy most about this game is the beautiful lighting effects you get early in the morning, towards dusk, in bad weather (Rain! Thunder!) etc. Why not use them in movies?

Apart from these totally personal opinions, this movie certainly is classy. Great "blurry upon flyby" effects. The smoothest play I have seen. Excellent choice of angles.

And one last thing: It doesn`t spend 30 or 40% of it`s time showing credits.

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 05:30 PM
Yep, I agree with you and had a feeling that this would be raised.
I decided to put this shake and fluctuation in parts that really didn't need it to glam it up a bit.
People want Hollywood and that's what I tried to give them.
Thanks for pointing it out.
I may be a little more choosy with my shake and fluctuation on my next epic.

There is a glaring continuity error in my vid as well.

Anyone spotted it yet?

When you do I'll tell you why it's there /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

zjulik wrote:
- This movie takes FB video making another step.
- Therefore the criticism needs to be fussy too.
-
-- The "camera shaking heavily" effect shouldn`t sync with the firing unless filmed from inside the cockpit of the plane doing the firing. An external camera (in a plane close by?) wouldn`t be affected by another plane`s cannons firing. Better in these situastions to use the "slowly fluctuating" effect which was terrific. With synced heavy shaking used only where it would be realistic, the effect would be greater.
-- There was one instance where the "slowly fluctuating camera" effect should have been less evident: The scene where three bombers are filmed from below. This scene would have to have been shot from the ground and would probably be steadier - perhaps not inert, but steadier.
-- Almost all FB movies are shot during "12 o`clock, good weather" conditions. Why? One of the aspects I enjoy most about this game is the beautiful lighting effects you get early in the morning, towards dusk, in bad weather (Rain! Thunder!) etc. Why not use them in movies?
-
- Apart from these totally personal opinions, this
- movie certainly is classy. Great "blurry upon flyby"
- effects. The smoothest play I have seen. Excellent
- choice of angles.
-
- And one last thing: It doesn`t spend 30 or 40% of
- it`s time showing credits.
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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 05:36 PM
Holy cow. That movie rocked. It's hard to believe the footage in that movie is the same game I play on HL every night! If UBI was smart, they would hire you and buy the rights to your short film for promoting their game. I loved it and have no critisms. The choice of music was excellent and action was awesome. Sort of reminded me of the Battle of Britain sequence. The chaos of air combat with the elegant sounds of the London Philharmonic. Great job. Look forward to your next work. stubby

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 05:55 PM
Fantasic movie!

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 06:17 PM
Yehhhhhhh !!!

I loved it, very nice

I thoroughly enjoyed it !!

Keep em coming.
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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 06:25 PM
that is just one very very very well done movie

excellent work


it almost looks real and ya know if you had a low budget WWII film, well not even that low, you could use some of your video


Like the camera shake tenique and fram blurs at fly byes



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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 06:34 PM
this movie is just awesome... nice editing on great scenes

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 06:36 PM
Hm...what about a black-and-white version, just to compare to real footage?

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 06:47 PM
Very good work !

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 06:59 PM
I actually did an old film effect version.
Unfortunately it put more detail on the video and when compressed with the same xvid settings it gave me a 45MB version file. Too big for my webspace /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
I thought this was way to much of an increase in file size just to have this effect.
I decided to do something else instead, which is what you see in this version.
I have desaturated the colours by 50% and added a slight blur to the whole movie.
Adding the blur shaved off another 5MB in compression data.
I wanted to keep the level of compression that I have because there is little if any artifacting or distortion.
I use Xvid encoding with 1 single pass and 85% quality (or something like that). The audio channel is MP3 96kbits at 32,000hz.

I believe you can watch movies through Windows Media Player 8 and above in black and white. You just have to call up the video control panel under the video then you can completely desaturate. Think you can shift the hue as well...

By the way... Big thankyou to everyone for the great praise you are giving my production. You're making me blush /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 07:12 PM
the greatest "game"-movie i have ever seen !!

very nice.. indiana jones music /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif


it looks like if it was the game intro movie of FB..


unfortunately the real intro in FB is nothing but a black-white track...

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 07:16 PM
Really glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The link for Xvid codec I think is only for watching Xvid, it won't let you encode with it in your editing software of choice.

I installed all my divx, xvid codecs from the Nimo codec pack, which gives xvid encoding capabilities in your editing software.

I haven't the link for this pack but a quick search on Google should easily find it if anyone wants it for their own encoding.

Beirut wrote:
- Scragbat,
-
- Excellent stuff!! Far and away the best I've seen.
-
- I had my fingers drumming on the table through the
- whole thing. Great subject, great editing, great
- effects, great everything. It was a riot to watch
- and this is definitely the film to show anyone who
- doesn't understand the glorious fun of flight
- simming.
-
- Tons of fun, Thanks. And thanks for the DivX code
- link too.
-
- *You make 'em - we'll watch 'em.*
-
-
-
-
- "Official Lancaster Whiner"




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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 07:17 PM
Cant wait for it to finish dling!

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 07:40 PM
Incredible movie! These are the best visual effects I've seen in any FB/IL2 movie, bar none!

I am gonna side with zjulik's comment about the camera shaking too much from the outside views.
Other than that, all you need now is a good script. When you have something believable to work with, I think the movie will be unmatched! If you manage to squeeze in some more appropriate music for different parts of the film - pure heaven! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

But again, excellent movie! Keep up the good work!!!
This one is definetely going on my FB movies CD!

T_O_A_D
10-01-2003, 07:46 PM
That was almost Freakish how your photo editing looked real.


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My only complaint is that it was too short and the file too small!


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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 08:10 PM
absolutly phenominal
that old video looks was flawless, and looked photorealistic at worst. outstanding!! i'd say im speachless but ive got so many good things to say i cant stop typing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hehe you should go post the link on various CFS3 forums and watch them cry http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

music was perfect, and the camera work was good.
but that old movie look effect... wow.. that really is something special. Im glad someone finally steped up and took a crack at it, and it looks fantastic!!
I hope you didnt have to do it frame by frame like Bpond did(his shaking and blur) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I know how long and hard you have to work to put these darned movies together and get them looking they way you want, adding even more work is not on my list of things to accomplish http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

the next generation of movies have focused on cinematics, and they look incredible!! You and bpond have really started something, you can litterally see all the expericence gained from different movies comming to gether and the movies comming out are getting better and better. With you and Bpond work in the cinematic look, all future movies will be that much better!!

my only negative comments are that, i agree some of the camera shake was excessive(ie, after the explosions were over, camera was still shaking slowly, and not with the action), and the camera movment when showing aircraft was to "ryhmic" it looked unnatural.

again outstanding work, most "realistic" looking movie i've seen, it was incredible. Cant wait for more, and to hear your ideas on how to accomplish such a fantasic look!

keep them commming or so help you god! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 08:13 PM
AirBot wrote:
- Incredible movie! These are the best visual effects
- I've seen in any FB/IL2 movie, bar none!
-
- I am gonna side with zjulik's comment about the
- camera shaking too much from the outside views.
- Other than that, all you need now is a good script.
- When you have something believable to work with, I
- think the movie will be unmatched! If you manage to
- squeeze in some more appropriate music for different
- parts of the film - pure heaven!
- But again, excellent movie! Keep up the good work!!!
- This one is definetely going on my FB movies CD!
-

This post says exactly how I felt after watching.

Note: I'm not the one that made the crticisms I just agreed. But I also agreed with the positive remarks. ~S~

Hunter82
10-01-2003, 08:17 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 08:21 PM
Scrag: About that continuity error...


...I counted three Hurricanes.

Was it Colonel Toomb? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(or maybe I just can't count)

Stenciled on the side of my Dora:

"Lasst das H√¬∂llentor √¬∂ffen, es friert hier oben!"
("Leave the gates to Hell open, it's FREEZING up here!")

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 08:22 PM
This is one of the very best movies thus far...the "hue"/"de-saturation" and the slight/intentional blur Truly gives it a Realism unachieved by other techniques, in my opinion. The opening scenes were Totally Indistinguishable from Real footage...HARD to believe those scenes were made from FB. This is Hollywood quality stuff!! (In the Positive sense)

Additionally, editing/view-selection/angles were excellent, very smooth...

In many respects,once again, this sets a new standard...definitely an award-winner(IF we were handing out awards.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) It seems we are seeing the MOVIE-MAKING bar raised about once every ten days or so!

[[Unfortunately, as has happened to me several times in the past with other movies, the XVid encoding caused a lockup of the MediaPlayer at 5:06 of the movie, near the end....HARD Lock up of my puter, requiring a cold reboot. After the reboot, the movie played without incident...it seems random When tHE XVid freezes my mediaplayer/computer. If anyone can offer advice on Why this occurs, or how to avoid, please let me know]]


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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 08:29 PM
PlaneEater wrote:
- Scrag: About that continuity error...
-
-
- ...I counted three Hurricanes.
-
- Was it Colonel Toomb? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
-
- (or maybe I just can't count)
-
- Stenciled on the side of my Dora:
-
- "Lasst das H√¬∂llentor √¬∂ffen, es friert hier oben!"
- ("Leave the gates to Hell open, it's FREEZING up
- here!")


i believe the continuity error is the 2 "different" pairs of p47s were used in filming, not the lone pair which is what we are supposed to see. 1 set with rocket pods required for the attack on the fw on takeoff, and in the opening scene, and 1 pair of p47s without rocket pods were used for the fighting scenes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Scrag, dont worry about continuity errors http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif my movies are laced with them, most people wont even noticed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif i bet if you hadnt said anything no one would have known.

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 08:31 PM
Absofreakin beautiful!!! Loved it. None of my friends play but I never miss an opportunity to show them these films, hoping to impress them to play, or at least understand why I have been playing for 2 plus years. This says it best yet. Thanks.
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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 08:34 PM
OUTSTANDING!! very well done....

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 08:49 PM
Thank you all for the comments and criticism. I am taking them all in a positive way.

More than once the excessive shaking has been mentioned and that will be addressed in my next production.

Most of the action for 'Sacrifice' is recorded from a single game set out in QMB and then recorded to a single track. I then recorded mini tracks of each aircraft that was brought down from the main track. This made it easier to record each scene with fraps and from multiple angles without having to fast forward through the main single track.
I also had to record some new tracks seperate to the main track to get that certain angle I wanted.
It got to a point where this was becoming a very tedious project. Recapturing the same scenes over and over again with fraps until I got it just right.
I edited together these scenes with MSPro 7, then rendered the final scene out to a indeo 5.11 100% quality AVI file. This retains the quality of the original fraps capture but the filesize is just a fraction of the original.
I used the Motion Sketch utility in After Effects on these rendered scenes to simulate the camera movements and shake and believe me that was no walk in the park. Every frame of this video has been motion sketched with AE. I had to keep re-doing the explosions and a/c damage shake over and over until I was happy.
More than once I thought about abandoning this project but when I looked at each scene I had motion sketched and rendered I just had to do the next one.
So after an awfully long amount of production time for 5 minutes 26 seconds of video I had my final render.
I then spent about 4 hours trying to put aircraft sound over this but that proved too difficult getting the sync right so I had to abandon that and go with just the music.


I can't say when I will do my next one. I need to catch up on some flying online (and some sleep!). Missed out on quite a bit of dogfighting fun while I've been doing this.


There will be another video and I do have one planned. I was thinking about scenes for my next production when I was finalising 'Sacrifice'.


So yes, there will be another one. I just need a break first /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 09:20 PM
Yep! Hit the nail on the head!

It was the two P-47's. If you look at them in the opening scenes they are numbered 09 and 10, yet later on the two are both numbered 01. This was because I had to re-shoot these scenes to get better angles and I also wanted a cockpit shot of one of them. Not something you can do with an aircraft controlled by AI. Could have avoided this if you could select you're own aircraft numbers /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Well done for spotting that. I hadn't noticed about the rocket pods, another giveaway /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Three Hurricanes????? That's a worry /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I missed that one LOL!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Many many thanks for your comments on my video Davinci.
I am completely blown away by the feedback. Completely!
I had a feeling people would like the 'cam' FX but I wasn't expecting this! I hadn't thought the old film look would be appreciated that much but I was wrong.
Obviously the opening scenes were the first I rendered and I just had to keep watching them again and again, thinking they look 'real' to me. Will they to other people?
Yes apparently /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It's a result of vids like yours, Bpond's and Mysticpuma's which made me want to do this. I wasn't trying to better anybody. You had just opended up ideas in my mind that I wanted to try.
So thanks for that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Thanks indeed /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Davinci.. wrote:
- PlaneEater wrote:
-- Scrag: About that continuity error...
--
--
-- ...I counted three Hurricanes.
--
-- Was it Colonel Toomb? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
--
-- (or maybe I just can't count)
--
-- Stenciled on the side of my Dora:
--
-- "Lasst das H√¬∂llentor √¬∂ffen, es friert hier oben!"
-- ("Leave the gates to Hell open, it's FREEZING up
-- here!")
-
-
- i believe the continuity error is the 2 "different"
- pairs of p47s were used in filming, not the lone
- pair which is what we are supposed to see. 1 set
- with rocket pods required for the attack on the fw
- on takeoff, and in the opening scene, and 1 pair of
- p47s without rocket pods were used for the fighting
- scenes /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- Scrag, dont worry about continuity errors /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif my
- movies are laced with them, most people wont even
- noticed /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif i bet if you hadnt said anything no one
- would have known.
-
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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 09:54 PM
Exellent i love these movies .
Havn't seen it yet they take me hours to dl but most if not all are worth the time .

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 10:15 PM
~S! Scragbat; Great Job! Enoyed it a lot.



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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 10:25 PM
Trust me DedEyes, this is definitely worth the download.
Absofreakinlutely!
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DedEyes wrote:
- Exellent i love these movies .
- Havn't seen it yet they take me hours to dl but most
- if not all are worth the time .


It's only funny til someone loses an eye....then it's hilarious

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 11:40 PM
I loved your fantastic vision on this project. Yes, Ben Ponds technique of the shake and speed blur is going to be an effect that most will apply to their future projects. The cinematic techniques used here were truly excellent. Especially the color film technique, way to go!

I look forward to seeing more of your excellent visionary projects in the future with more fully developed plots. S!

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10-01-2003, 11:42 PM
Dubbo2 wrote:
- Absofreakin beautiful!!! Loved it. None of my
- friends play but I never miss an opportunity to show
- them these films, hoping to impress them to play, or
- at least understand why I have been playing for 2
- plus years. This says it best yet. Thanks.

By coincidence, I took in to work today my CD-RW with those last two Chinese movies, to show some people at work how nice those movies are, and IL2:FB. My buddy was very impressed, and mentioned that he could see how a person could really get into playing the game.

I just downloaded this movie, and it is very impressive. I'll be sure to bring it in to work, too.

These movies are terrific. It's wonderful to see how creative and artistic our fellow flyers can be.



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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 01:25 AM
Scragbat;

WOW!

I'm speechless!

Awesome film!

I am truly at a loss for words. (Incredible comes to mind.)

I can't wait for your next work.

GOOD JOB SIR! I salute you!

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 05:20 AM
Wow! Great movie, most realistic I think I've seen so far,
nice timing on the music too.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 07:11 AM
outstanding!!!

just one thing....maybe try some other skins on the planes...there are some very good ones out there and would add even more to your FANTASTIC movie...very well done indeed.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 08:31 AM
wonderful

but


How is it that you can make a movie of manipulated shots without making a GIF?

I've made some small gifs using frames that have been individually editied by hand and then made into a GIF.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 09:06 AM
The Best Movie Hands Down for me!!

I love the fact that you didnt use the cheesy sound from FB since this would of brought it down a notch its that good.The explosions seem so much more realistic instead of the same 4explosion sound for every different type of crash.Your camera shak is brilliant.The scene where the HE111 is getting pounded and the engine rips off is killer/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Words cant describe how good I think you are at this/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Your tune to Indiana Jones music right after the death star/Star wars footage was freaking Brilliant!!!!

Hey I also wanna add that whats brilliant is the game FB itself.This movie really brings out the physics modeling of it.

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 09:11 AM
Awesome. Felt my heart start to pound and palms went a little bit sweaty the first time I watched it. Watched it again straight away. Loved the blur effect, particularly when the bent Stuka cartwheeled past and the effect when the 190 crashed. Some really impressive shot selections and music probably added to the rush. You've got skills and if this is only your second movie, I'm hoping weve got greater excitement in store. Well done. Sorry, I'm not a critic so I couldn't watch it hard enough to criticise.

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 10:39 AM
Hey!

This movie is great! The effects you put on those clips were fantastic! The camera work and shakings really increased the "perfect" level this movie got, even further. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Faaaantaastic!

The only thing I miss is a good story.... something to bite your teeth in and think about. I always look at a movie through the story, not only the effects. If you had made up a great story together with your effects, it would have been the absolute best movie ever made in FB. This is just me, I need a story.


Great work! Keep it up!

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 11:07 AM
Nice 'original' ideas Scrag.... I'll check out the full vid at work today. Are you gonna bring it in for me?

Just in case anyone out there doesn't know, Scrag and I work together, so there is a bit of competition here. Poor lad has been staying up so late to edit this,that his right eye has started twitching by itself. Now it's in the can, he can take a well earned rest.

So, looks like I have to raise the bar for my next movie. Filming has all been done, but the edit and sound is going to take about another four-five weeks at least. Then I have to go into Post Production special effects.

Nice vid scrag, maybe Oleg will sign us up for his next game!

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 11:32 AM
Mystic.....


So u guys work together in RL.... why dont u work together here as well instead of competing. With your sense of "storytelling" and editing (referring to your last work) and Scrag's afterwork, you would be a killerpair in making this stuff... Think about it. You two together would be great.


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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 11:33 AM
You sure u didn't hire some old planes and borrowed a video camara? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif It sure looks real to me!

This is one of the best FB movie I have seen. I just love the music, it just adds a whole new dimension to the film. And the effects look really nice!

Just a bit more involving story, a bit less camera shaking and you have something thats close to a perfect movie.

Good Luck on your next project

-Zlatzman

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 12:24 PM
I'm only in competition with myself /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Each movie has to be better than my last.
And I've only done two so that wasn't hard /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Not trying to make things better than anyone else, just my own.

Of course, dogfighting online is a different story hehe /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 12:27 PM
Super stuff

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 12:34 PM
Well if you guys need a stunt double to do the crashing into the ground scenes, I`m available. Long experience. Spectacular explosions.

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 12:44 PM
Now that did make me laugh! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

zjulik wrote:
- Well if you guys need a stunt double to do the
- crashing into the ground scenes, I`m available. Long
- experience. Spectacular explosions.
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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:20 PM
This is my intention. I am in the process of burning all my raw avi scenes and motion sketched scenes and project files for 'sacrifice' onto CDR. Just to have as a backup and a reminder to myself of how I set the whole project up.
With my video project partitions empty (I have seperate partitions for capture and rendering) I will be free to begin my next epic.

Unfortunatly, 'Sacrifice' will have to be deleted from my server to get the next one on /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Early days yet tho /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ST_Zlatzman wrote:

- Just a bit more involving story, a bit less camera
- shaking and you have something thats close to a
- perfect movie.
-
- Good Luck on your next project
-
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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 06:32 PM
Deleted to avoid confusion...problem seems to have gone away....

Message Edited on 10/02/0312:29PM by OberstWiley

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 08:15 PM
Have you tried media player 6.4 like I mentioned in VWC yet?
Or a different version of Xvid?
If all your sound seems to be playing up, it doesn't sound like that particular codec is the problem. Trying the other media player could shed some light.
Like you say, could be your sound card.
Do you have the option of onboard sound?
OberstWiley wrote:
- As I mentioned elsewhere during the past day or so,
- movies encoded with XVid have caused me severe
- problems at least twice in the past...locking up my
- puter totally at times, requiring cold reboot,
- etc... I've avoided anything which i knew to be
- XVid encoded as a result...
-
- however, i tried it again with "Sacrifice" (A
- GREAT movie, as I noted earlier) BUT, now, having
- played the new "Sacrifice" movie(Xvid encoded) only
- 1 1/2 times, I have some sort of seemingly Permanent
- 'glitch' with my Windows Media Player or, god
- forbid, with my Sound Card......the sound cuts out
- intermittently and randomly every few seconds on all
- movies and even on my collection of music... The
- music of course totally unrelated to any codecs...
-
-
- I also now find that I seem to have the same
- cut-outs occuring with other sound , such as in
- flying in FB. I never had any sound problems before.
- I've yet to try other sound applications/games..I am
- afraid to even find out how bad the situation is...
-
- While it COULD be coincidental, I think it likely
- that something permanent happened due to the XVid...
-
-
-
- Any ideas what I should/could do??? Would
- deleting/uninstalling everything related to the XVid
- codec possibly help??Someone else somewhere reported
- a MAJOR problem with his System/windows XP as a
- result of the XVid codec... This worries me a lot!
-
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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 08:30 PM
Thanks Scrag....problem seems to have gone away after some uninstalling and reinstalling... it May have been coincidental with XVid.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 09:03 PM
More praise for Scragbat's movie here! The best FB movie I have seen so far by a long long way!

Excellent stuff!!

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 09:15 PM
I think it stunk big time. Worst piece of junk I`ve seen on my PC for a long time - which says quite a lot. There`s only one word for describing that useless excuse for a movie: SPAM.

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 12:48 AM
zjulik wrote:
- I think it stunk big time. Worst piece of junk I`ve
- seen on my PC for a long time - which says quite a
- lot. There`s only one word for describing that
- useless excuse for a movie: SPAM.

This brings up some interesting points. You are going to get seriously flamed for this one.

While most would agree that the 'story' was a bit thin, no one in their right mind would call the cinematics junk, spam or say it stunk. It did not stink, it was really very good. Certainly, the cinematics were more real looking than any other movie to date. That alone deserves credit.

You really need to think about the labor it took to make this movie and avoid this kind of negative critque in the future. Just trying to save you from further flames. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif





Message Edited on 10/02/0304:48PM by BlackPhenix

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 12:55 AM
zjulik wrote:
- I think it stunk big time. Worst piece of junk I`ve
- seen on my PC for a long time - which says quite a
- lot. There`s only one word for describing that
- useless excuse for a movie: SPAM.
-
-


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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 01:00 AM
Before this goes any further, please see my "real" feedback on the movie (page 1 of this thread). Trouble is, drooling praise going on and on bores me, and has bored me since the early IL2 "Friday update" days. Therefore the (maybe lame) contrasting post...

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 01:14 AM
zjulik wrote:
- Before this goes any further, please see my "real"
- feedback on the movie (page 1 of this thread).
- Trouble is, drooling praise going on and on bores
- me, and has bored me since the early IL2 "Friday
- update" days. Therefore the (maybe lame) contrasting
- post...
-
Oh my, I actually agreed with some of your comments the first time around. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I was curious about why drooling praise for these fantastically talented movie makers bothers you so much? I mean to the point where you make an extremely negative post instead of just bypassing the thread. What brought you back?




Message Edited on 10/02/0305:14PM by BlackPhenix

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 01:22 AM
My flick is thin on plot granted, but that's what you get when you try to build a sequence with QMB. There's not a lot of scope for storyline I think because of QMB's limitations. I could have thrown in many more aircraft but I didn't want to overload this project.
I hadn't planned on doing a tremendous amount of story anyway. Just a scenario that would allow for a fair bit of action and keep the timeline down so that I could keep the filesize down. I also didn't want the movie to drag on and wanted to keep people intersted in it throughout. Short, sweet and as entertaining as I could possibly make it.
As far as I'm concerned I achieved this.
My next project however, is going to be derived from a FMB mission with oodles of action, many more aircraft, many more explosions and more building of a story.
There is a very good chance it will exceed my webspace size and if it does I will have to find myself a host with a decent amount of space and bandwidth, and I think I might have one.
That being said, it is still early days...

I'm certain zjulik was just fishing, didn't take it seriously at all. I read his reply ages ago but didn't take the bait. Some people need to get noticed I suppose... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


BlackPhenix wrote:
- zjulik wrote:
-- I think it stunk big time. Worst piece of junk I`ve
-- seen on my PC for a long time - which says quite a
-- lot. There`s only one word for describing that
-- useless excuse for a movie: SPAM.
-
- This brings up some interesting points. You are
- going to get seriously flamed for this one.
-
- While most would agree that the 'story' was a bit
- thin, no one in their right mind would call the
- cinematics junk, spam or say it stunk. It did not
- stink, it was really very good. Certainly, the
- cinematics were more real looking than any other
- movie to date. That alone deserves credit.
-
- You really need to think about the labor it took to
- make this movie and avoid this kind of negative
- critque in the future. Just trying to save you from
- further flames. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 10/02/0304:48PM by
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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 01:26 AM
Zjulik

You have never made a movie before have you?? I didn't think so!
You are entitle to your opinion...but call it (lame) or drooling praise going on and on bores-me...then don't read the post!! You have a choice!

It is a free forum..go somewhere else!

The people who make these video's put there heart and soul into there work. You can't learn to swim unless you get in the water!! Get my drift!!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif go make a video first..before you comment about other people's work!!

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 01:29 AM
Scragbat wrote:
- Short, sweet and as
- entertaining as I could possibly make it.
- As far as I'm concerned I achieved this.

You bet your biscuts you did. Your movie looked so real at the start I really thought it was real footage. That is the highest level of technical expertise that I have seen in any internet movie from a game, and trust me I have seen thousands!(I am a movie jukie).

Anyway, there is no reason to explain because you did a great job. As far as plot is concerned it is just one aspect that is considered your movie was just cherry overall! ~S~

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 01:41 AM
My dad is gone so I got some time on the computer!

WOW those special effects were totally awesome! It is already on my next picks list. How were able to make your movie look so totally real sir? I made my first movie last month, but it didn't look totally real like this one does. Wow, totally unreal, I mean real! I'm so stoked, I can't wait until my dad see's this one. He really liked the effects in Mr. Benjamin Ponds movies too! Great job!

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 03:04 AM
GREAT MOVIE!

Yea, I know I'm shouting...it is just that good.

Well done...thanks for your time and effort.

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 03:47 AM
After 3 whole pages of comments I think we have pretty much determined that scragbat`s movie is one of the best to come out of this game so far. Missing to see the point of yet another "awesome! fantastic" post and perhaps suddenly feeling that what a guy as talented as scragbat would need more is some constructice comments - which I and others gave on the first page - I just felt like throwing in something different. No big deal. And since I already HAD given my comment, I hoped that scragbat would notice that, which he did.

This is probably the closest I`ve been to starting something ugly. Which is not bad. Hadn`t realized it was that easy.

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 06:35 PM
WOW!! What and AWESOME and FANTASTIC movie!!!! Great Job Scragbat!!

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Seriously, it is now available for viewing on my Site(see Sigblock below). On the homepage, just follow the flashing arrow shortcut to "Sacrifice"... You can view it at either the embedded 320X240 size, or download/stream the 640X480 version.


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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 07:36 PM
SSSSHHHHH!

You'll upset zjulik /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Can't give a man too much praise LOL...

Cheers for hosting that, appreciate it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 09:03 PM
Scragbat wrote:
- SSSSHHHHH!
-
- You'll upset zjulik

*grabbing for my medication*

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 09:20 PM
S! Zjulik

I hear you....http://blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/fcinema.gif


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Hawgdog
10-03-2003, 11:30 PM
EXCELLENT
BEST I'VE SEEN YET!
dang sb looked very real,excellent

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 11:43 PM
I showed this to some guys in the office and they ran out and bought FB. Great job. Thanks!

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 11:52 PM
Sorry to say, but I am again experiencing Major problems somehow related to the XVid encoded movie. Now I can't play any version of "Sacrifice" without MediaPlayer locking up or some related error message.

I cannot even view the movie correctly on my own website...it freezes at the 1:02 point. And, the copy on my hardrive locks up MediaPlayer at about a minute into the movie...Very Odd, Indeed. All other movies(WMV and AVI) play fine.

Is anyone else experiencing problems, perhaps due to XVid?? Would someone visit my site, then tell me if you can successfully view the embedded version of "sacrifice" and/or download/stream the full size version and if you can see That version of the movie without hangups??




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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 12:30 AM
Sorry to hear about your problems OberstWiley (thought you'd fixed it?)

Just visited your site and it played OK in my browser.

As an experiment I just re-encoded the whole thing to WMV.
The end file was 33MB, but the quality just doesn't cut it compared to the Xvid version. It's Ok until there is action going on then there is some blockiness which I just don't like.

So unfortunately it will stay as Xvid. The compression/quality factor is just much better than WMV /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Have you had this problem since a clean install of your OS.

I have a few friends with PC's and they have thus far experienced no problems with Xvid. It even plays OK on our works computer which is a G4 AppleMac!

Hope you get it sorted /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 01:06 AM
Off Topic:

Asking again, is it possible to make FB itself shows Scragbat's color feel?

If it's impossible, what's the reason? (assuming CPU power is enough)

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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 01:08 AM
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Message Edited on 10/05/0312:18AM by WUAF_Badsight

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 01:19 AM
if this is your first movie then your going to make some crackers in the future
( FB is a great vechile for it isnt it !!! )

but this one was far from the best ive seen & your skill in scene editing & action speed is surely going to show in the future

your have included some of the unrealistic elements of FB into Sacrifice & im sure that with this being your first attempt will be a big learning curve

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 01:26 AM
What an amazing video. I didnt think it was the sim when it first started. How much time did you put into makiing that?

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 06:08 AM
zjulik wrote:
-Missing to see the point of yet another "awesome! fantastic post

Maybe this point; The more people that compliment this awesome! fantastic movie in this forum, the more noticeable and available his work will be because it is near the top of the forum and not hidden away (until a movie forum is established anyway). As a result more people will see it, then compliment it, resulting in more people noticing it and watching it...well you get the picture.

Maybe more people will buy the game if they don't own it already resulting in more people online.

Maybe it will inspire others to make equally exciting movies.

Maybe someone will come up with another idea or suggestion for Scragbat or someone else.

These things won't happen if we forget about it.

I'm sure most of the critique work has been stated already. Lets just let Scragbat bathe in this glory until his next work of art is complete.

And no I don't agree with you Scragbat when you said in another forum, something like, 'I thought it was good but not that good'. I think your closeness to the project means you are probably far more critical than we 'gobsmacked' were.





Message Edited on 10/04/0307:05AM by Lost_Lamb

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 06:24 AM
WOW!

Very good work, Scragbat. Thank you, for all the time and energy you placed into making this film, and sharing it with the community.



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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 10:53 AM
The buzz about movies made from this game and the quality of the finished products is certainly one of the most exciting and novel aspects of IL2/FB. Makes you meditate about where all this is going. In fact, the results now are getting as good as to give the impression that the limitation to what can be made now stems from game, not the makers...with the game graphics being as good as they are, it still takes huge work like scragbat`s to approach a "real life" feel. Other game-imposed limitations: The in-game explosions (not the following damage) are in my opinion too alike and somewhat lifeless, especially when it comes to buildings. The aspect of including any action involving humans - even if it was just to see them run TOWARDS their planes on a scramble - is still extremely limited.

Still, the development of the game is of course driven by playability issues, not by demands from moviemakers. Who will have to make as good use of the already built-in features as they can. Still, one cannot help but think a few years ahead when the common man`s pc will allow closer-to-life graphics, and when so many people have fast connections that creating much longer films will become interesting (check out the new Sevastopol-44 movie for a step in this direction).




Message Edited on 10/04/0311:55AM by zjulik

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 02:18 PM
Great job Sir! I'm glad you didn't give up like I did! I like to do desaturated screen-shots & when I tried it on film my hardware wouldn't hold up and deliver a descent final product, this was like watching a dream come true! Thanks!

Question: Why didn't u cutaway 1 or 2 seconds before the He-111's wing breaks off? Funny thing, I personally thought that fraction of a sec. was visualy disturbing & not so much the "shaking". This last effect seemed to blend in very well in most cases, specially when the FW hits the deck!

When special effects are the "main atraction" its okay to abuse them, imho. IE: The Matrix.

I do a lot of messing around and I average around 4 hrs to produce 1 min of video. You've made a master piece compared to what I do, Salute!

Constructive criticism: keep an eye on object movements & directions, a lot can be done here. Visual continuity is vital! IE: if in a sequence 2 planes head on, the plane going right on the screen should always be going right in the frames of that secuence, etc. I belive the cinematographic term is "raccord". Little details that sometimes get overlooked
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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 03:25 PM
For comparison purposes here are the two 'stukas' being taken down with no post FX, just editing...

http://www.appy55.dsl.pipex.com/FB/ju87goboom.avi

I have compiled a list of all the criticism I have received (constructive criticism), and will do my best for the next video...

But bear in mind seqeuls have trouble living up to their originals /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I have decided to base the amount of camera shake on how close the camera is to the action on external aircraft shots. I'm aware that an external camera would not produce as much shake as an internal one, but I feel the drama is heightened with it. The amount of shake on the first Ju-87 that is taken down I think I got just right. I have a sequence with just the small camera movements that you see through most of the video on this scene but it looks so much better with the jarring motions. The second one side on I would now have probably done less shake. This is just my opinion, but I may bow to overall public opinion on this (overall I hope you agree with me though).

The shake on the ground explosions as with all the shaking was done by hand, and I did my best to have them gradually die down. This however is quite tricky because you do not get a realtime preview of what you are doing, and only get the result at the end. So I had to keep doing them again and again until I was happy. These will get better with practice. Distance to camera is not so much an issue here if the camera is ground based because it would be affected much more by the explosion. The explosions view from above the ground will have to have less shake next time round...

The unrealistic elements of the game that are included in this video are evident. The bodies moving through the he-111 as it spirals down in closeup. Unless they are X-men xtra's they wouldn't be able to do this /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Also the break on the wing is too clean, but the missing prop looks OK.
The bailing pilot from the P-47 looks a bit suspect too and the deploying canopy looks too much like a solid object rather than fabric.
These parts of the video do not worry me too much. I left them in as they were important for the edit and they remind you that this is just a game...

I did my very best with continuity but became a little blinded having watched this over and over. The rocket sequence with the P-47 destroying the FW-190 on the airfield. I forget to put the sequence with that FW landing. Someone thought it was taking off. It wasn't. That was one of the two that thought it had escaped!

The learning curve continues.....

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Message Edited on 10/04/0303:33PM by Scragbat

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 04:34 PM
OberstWiley, could I make this suggestion...?

Uninstall all traces of your Xvid codec. I'm assuming that this particular build of Xvid is causing some sort of conflict within your system.

Then download the nimo codec pack build 8
http://www.prism.net/chris/nimo50build8.exe

It's 6.8MB

It's been checked for viruses and is clean (double check yourself if you want)

Then do a custom install with this and make sure nothing is selected, just the Xvid codec.
It appears in the nimo pack under video codecs - 'Xvid 28/06/02 (Nic's Build).
Only have that selected then do the install.
This is a different build of Xvid which also gives you encoding capabilities.
It's what I and several other people use without problems.

Fingers crossed.

If it don't work I won't be upset if you can no longer host my vid...
Regards
Scrag


OberstWiley wrote:
- Sorry to say, but I am again experiencing Major
- problems somehow related to the XVid encoded movie.
- Now I can't play any version of "Sacrifice" without
- MediaPlayer locking up or some related error
- message.
-
- I cannot even view the movie correctly on my own
- website...it freezes at the 1:02 point. And, the
- copy on my hardrive locks up MediaPlayer at about a
- minute into the movie...Very Odd, Indeed. All other
- movies(WMV and AVI) play fine.
-
-
- Is anyone else experiencing problems, perhaps due
- to XVid?? Would someone visit my site, then tell
- me if you can successfully view the embedded version
- of "sacrifice" and/or download/stream the full size
- version and if you can see That version of the movie
- without hangups??
-
-
-
-
-
-
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- size="3pt">Click HERE to visit
- Wiley'sWWIIGunCameraWorld</a></center>
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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 05:55 PM
- I have compiled a list of all the criticism I have
- received (constructive criticism), and will do my
- best for the next video...

- I have decided to base the amount of camera shake on
- how close the camera is to the action on external
- aircraft shots.

most of the camera shake was fine, it was only about 3 scenes or so that went overboard and gave the impressions of overall excess camera shake.
When the first p47 hit the ground, after the impact and the force ring has disapated, the camera is still shaking like a explosion, this goes on for a second or 2. Same with the fw on landing(i thought it was take off too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ), camera keeps shaking violently well after the event.

other then those few drawn out "over shakes", the shaking was fine.

- The shake on the ground explosions as with all the
- shaking was done by hand, and I did my best to have
- them gradually die down. my take.

they shouldnt gradually die down, the big shakes should end as soon as the even ends. If 2 cars in in a crash they dont keep shaking for 5 seconds afterwards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- The rocket sequence with the P-47 destroying the
- FW-190 on the airfield. I forget to put the
- sequence with that FW landing. Someone thought it
- was taking off. It wasn't. That was one of the two
- that thought it had escaped!

i aswell thought it was taking off, in a scramble situation.
You're story telling could be improved, dont be affraid to keep scenes that dont look like much, if they are essential to the story. A scene of the fw flying out of the fight(gives the idea he is trying to escape), then landing is exactly what was needed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
the story was the only aspect of the video you might consider lacking(but you really cant do much in a qmb anyway), the camera work was good(though dont be affraid to experiment), and the look was "perfect", absolutly flawless http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

on a technical side, you could have upped your anti-aliasing, quin is like 4x performance on nvidia, which is about 2x quality on ATI, i run 4x performance on ATI with a considerably weaker card(radeon 9000 non pro). a higher AA combined with the bluring(which gives you another 2x), would give you an even more solid image(not that this was a problem in your vid), but it would give less poppin/shimmering around edges http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

again this is the best looking video i've ever seen, the realism was incredible, only thing you might need to improve is the story aspect, and mabey some more elaborate camera work to really show off this incredible look you've got. Im looking into getting camera shake through filters, so you dont have to spend so much time shaking the videos frame by frame http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Ive allready got a camera shake filter working in after effects, and got a hue/saturation filter for virtual dub(which allready has blur). I'll let you know when it(camera shake filter) working as needed! This will let you concentrate on more important things, and cut your work load in half http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Great work, keep them comming.

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 06:37 PM
Scragbat,

That was freaking awesome I love the video and camera effects. You had some really well shot sequences from great angles http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. This is one of the best movies out yet.

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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 07:08 PM
Well, I thought it would be good, but I never expected this. Awesome. It looked REAL, especially at the start. I personally think the jinking with the camera was great.

All it needed was a little storyline.

Excellent work,Scragbat.

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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 07:13 PM
Nice !!!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 01:29 PM
Very good. I really enjoyed the little cinematic effects resembling live camera shots, and the music added to the atmosphere. It kept me glued to the screen the entire time.


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gehn241
10-22-2004, 12:19 PM
With all of this prasie for sacrifice, I was hoping id get a chance to watvh it. Since it is no longer on the website, is there any other way I can watch it or download it? I dont want to miss out!