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XyZspineZyX
11-28-2005, 05:16 AM
Just watched the news & it appears sombody has got hold of a Royal Marine recruit bonding party featuring:

All naked slugfest between 2 young warriors naked with what appears to be rubber taped around their arms to use as weapons

A kneeling bare fist fight in the mud, refereed by a higher ranking individual in a dress. The fight ends & it appears the cross dressing ref punt kicks one of the guys in the head knocking him down from a kneeling position & possibly out. Enforces 3 things, expect the unexpected, protect youself at all times & keep your bloody guard up!!!

This video is going to stir up a vipers nest, I gather bullying & intimidation is subject to diciplinary action. However I think this sort of behaviour is common place in all military forces, not just the Royal Marines (not sure about the cross dressing bit though). I have seen Russian sargents hammer their recruits on video, I think the Russians are trying to stop this as well. I have also read a book on the Soviet Spetnatz & their disipline borders on the insane

So what does the community think does this sort of bonding & bullying still have a place in the forces, after all these soldiers are trained to kill or should the perpetrators of these sort of activities be charged under military code?

Low_Flyer_MkII
11-28-2005, 05:21 AM
Fighting men fighting, eh?. Whatever next? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Grue_
11-28-2005, 05:23 AM
These soldiers should be taught that violence is wrong.

They'll be killing people next!

sparty7200
11-28-2005, 05:33 AM
Is a fighting force that is taught not too harm a fighting force?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif at the end of the day the basic job of the army/navy/airforces is too hurt the other guy/country etc till he gives up..thats how i see it anyhow

arcadeace
11-28-2005, 05:41 AM
Well no doubt something like this will be subject to disciplinary action because your media will have a field day exploiting it. To me its no big deal.

If its the first time you've seen anything like it, and probably the first for most, then there's no reason to assume its common place. There's a lot of folks in your military and its something you would know about if it was.

I see it as a few guys having some disorderly rough fun and now, unfortunately they'll pay a price. End of story.

AWL_Tonedog
11-28-2005, 06:22 AM
This sort of ritual humiliation will never be stamped out.


there is a major problem like this at the worlds leading universities also, initiation ceremonies etc... especially in france.

these guys are taught to be killers and should be able to take a beating. Lets face it if you see whats happening in Iraq can prisoners of war from British or any other nation expect to be treated any different.

Not that I support this sort of behaviour, but i certainly dont condone it either. Depends on the situation and scenario i guess. But you're right, hornets nest stirred? YES.

Thank you sir! may I have another.

Cheers, Tonedog.

Airmail109
11-28-2005, 08:48 AM
THis seems to be more common in the Royal Marines.....but the Marines also are considered to be better and tougher than the regular army....I wonder why?

JG52Uther
11-28-2005, 09:02 AM
I think the trouble is more to do with one of the instructors (alledgedly)kicking a recruit in the face,than with them being naked.
They are training to be Royal Marines,not girl guides.

Jabout
11-28-2005, 09:04 AM
This stuff will go on as long as is allowed to go on, no more no less.

This stuff is not done by people with whom you want to have to work with in difficult situations.

This stuff is done by people who like the idea of fighting/killing, but are actually too scared to fight and consequently use/abuse their position to hurt or as in the case of Deepcut kill people with impunity and without fear of retaliation.

At the moment there are several ex service people who are developing careers as consultant/celebrities who insist this stuff has no place in the services, but if they really believed that I can't say I would want to be led into action by people who did not know what was going on around them.

B16Enk
11-28-2005, 09:14 AM
It was well OTT, in my service time (British Army) we were 'bullied' by the drill staff, but never physically in the way these guys were.

Yes there were some questionable things done by us recruits to the less fortunate in our number (those that threw in the towel and had to endure our ridicule and ad-hoc pre-release ceremonies that usually entailed humiliation) and some pretty dangerous things done to us too.

I recall watching the Platoon behind mine going on runs, it soon became a sport as to how many would come back injured.
Started out as 30-40 strong but with 6 or 7 weeks 02 Platoon was so depleted, through injury and guys quitting because of the physical demands, that they had to merge 02 with 03 Platoon.

And we were only REME - a bunch of mechanics electronics engineers and other trades people!

I think the theory was we had to undergo a reasonable representation of infantry training because we may be attached to infantry...

RAF23-Chainsaw
11-28-2005, 09:30 AM
wheres the video?

Chuck_Older
11-28-2005, 10:02 AM
You'd expect a very old institution like the Royal Marines to have lots of silly traditions like this

That doesn't mean that this type of behavior is needed to produce a Royal Marine from a raw recruit


Come on now people, be serious. All the training, all the hiking, learning, body conditioning, self reliance, problem solving, teamwork, and physical and mental preparation didn't make these guys Royal Marines, but sripping naked and fighting in the mud does?

This BS is unnecessary. And don't tell me they aren't going to be Crossing Gaurds or Stewardesses. You don't need to be naked fighting another young man (who is your comrade in arms yet) in order to be a Man. That's horse sh*t

LEBillfish
11-28-2005, 10:11 AM
Naked men fighting on their knees in mud.....better still possibly wrestling?.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif......The only thing that upsets me is the lack of pics!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

(naturally knowing they're not appropriate on this forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Xiolablu3
11-28-2005, 01:44 PM
Thats disgraceful, soldiers learning to fight, whatever next. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

On a more serious note they should look into the mysterious deaths of young soldiers at these camps. There seems to be an awful lot of them for them all to be suicides.

Spend more time on that, not a few soliders having a fun 'punch up'.

I'm sure the interrogation resistance training is far worse than this. I know for a fact the recruits are stripped naked, beaten and exposed to phsycological torture too. Its just that they never allow cameras in there, ever.

p1ngu666
11-28-2005, 01:47 PM
the fish wants a pm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Daiichidoku
11-28-2005, 08:15 PM
a couple of years ago, the canadian military had a "scandal" involving "hazing" et al

good thing they spent million$ investigating the shocking, hereforeto unknown practice, instead of investing in modern equipment, training, etc etc etc

meanwhile, a year after this, they lost a few men when the light scout jeep they were in hit a mine in afganistan, instead of the AFV they SHOULD have been in...recified NOW, of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

AWL_Tonedog
11-29-2005, 06:59 AM
Well the question that begs to be asked is:

Waas this a fun naked mudfight or something that has been forced upon said British marines?

this kind of stuff has been going on for centuries if not millenia. I know for a fact that this sort of thing was rife in the ranks of the Roman Legions and the Greek and Spartan armies back in atiquity.

I kind of thought that joining up with such a fighting force that one might expect this sooner or later. The army has always been about survival of the fittest and always will.

its just shocking to mere ordinary citizens as its not often publisised. I bet there is a hell of lot more that goes unseen.

Cheers, Tonedog.

BaldieJr
11-29-2005, 09:39 AM
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What is the exact purpose of the officer wearing a dress?

JG52Uther
11-29-2005, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
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What is the exact purpose of the officer wearing a dress?
Its a British thing and not for you foreigners to know.It harks back to the glorious days of the British Empire and exclusive public school education.