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Tooz_69GIAP
05-14-2006, 10:49 AM
New Flyable Planes:

LaGG-3R
Yak-3R
La-7R
Bi-6
MiG-9
MiG-13
Yak-15
Yak-3 VK-107A
Ar-234B
He-162B
He-162C
Ta-152C
Me-262HG-II

New AI Planes:

Ta-183 (possibly flyable, if time permits)

Well, interesting list! The Soviet aircraft, I knew about for the most part, but the German list is interesting!

As far as I can tell, the He-162B and He-162C were never actually built, or were in a half constructed state at the end of the war.

This is all I could find in a quick search:

"A number of advanced follow-ons to the He-162A were considered. An "He-162B-1" was slated to go into production in early 1946, with a more powerful Heinkel-Hirth 011A turbojet providing 1,300 kilograms (2,870 pounds) thrust, along with a fuselage stretch to provide more fuel and endurance and increased wingspan, with proper dihedral and discarding the turned-down wingtip extensions.

The He-162B-1 was to be armed with twin MK-108 30 millimeter cannon. In reality, only nine Heinkel-Hirth 011A turbojets were ever completed, and the He-162B-1 never happened.

The He-162B airframe was also used as the basis for possible designs powered by pulsejet engines, one concept using a single Argus As-044 engine with 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds) thrust and the other using twin Argus As-014 engines with 332 kilograms (734 pounds) thrust each.

Although pulsejets, unlike ramjets, can produce static thrust, the Argus pulsejets didn't produce enough power at low speed for takeoff, and so various launch schemes were considered, ranging from towplanes to catapults to the most intelligent solution, a rocket-assisted takeoff booster unit.

However, neither the Luftwaffe nor Heinkel engineers were at all enthusiastic about using pulsejets, as they had poor high-altitude performance, bad fuel economy, and high levels of vibration.

Pulsejets operate with a pulsed combustion scheme that gave them a loud, low, rapid "putt-putt" sound, and a ride in an aircraft with such engines was likely to be rough. Messerschmitt had experimented earlier in the war with a fighter designated the "Me-328" that was powered by twin pulsejets, and engine vibration eventually led to the loss of the aircraft.

The pulsejet-powered He-162 project was driven from the top, with the aircraft perceived as almost completely expendable. Although three airframes were set aside for testing, they were never fitted with the Argus engines.

Other He-162 variants under consideration included the "He-162C", with the B-series fuselage, Heinkel-Hirth 011A engine, swept wing, and "vee" or "butterfly" tail assembly; and the "He-162D", with a similar configuration but a forward-swept wing. They were to me armed with twin MK-108 30 millimeter cannon, and a scheme was considered in which the cannon could be pivoted upward from the horizontal, allowing the fighter to fire at a bomber while flying under it.

The He-162C and He-162D got no farther than a half-completed prototype that could be fitted with interchangeable forward-swept or back-swept wings, discovered by the Allies when they occupied the plant at Schwechat.

In fact, the only advanced variant of the He-162 that was actually flown was the "He-162E", which was an He-162A fitted with the BMW-003R mixed power plant, which was a BMW-003A with an integrated BMW-718 liquid-fuel rocket engine for boost power. At least one prototype was built and flight-tested for a short time.

The advanced He-162 variants have proven to be of interest to modelers, particularly the imaginative LUFTWAFFE / 1946 interest groups, which project the aircraft that the Third Reich might have had available had the war lasted longer. Model kits of many of these mystery aircraft are available from specialty model companies."

And the Me-262HG-II seems to be very interesting! I couldn't find any specs via googling, but I found this pic on 'luft46':

http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds262-1.jpg

Looks quite sexy with that twin fin configuration!

And it would also seem all you guys who have been lusting after the Ta-152C are gonna get your wish!! A quick google churned up this info:

"The Ta 152C-1 was powered by a Daimler-Benz DB 603LA twelve-cylinder liquid cooled engine rated at 2100 hp (2300 hp with MW 50) for takeoff and 1750 hp at 29,530 feet (1900 hp at 27,560 feet with MW 50). Armed with one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon with 90 rounds, two fuselage-mounted 20-mm MG 151 cannon with 250 rpg, and two wing-mounted 20-mm MG252 cannon with 175 rpg. Maximum speed was 227 mph at sea level (356 mph with MW 50), 436 mph at 37,730 feet (460 mph at 32,810 feet with MW 50). Initial climb rate was 3050 feet per minute and service ceiling was 40,350 feet. Weights were 8849 lbs empty, 10,658 lbs normal loaded, and 11,733 pounds maximum. Wingspan was 36 feet 1 inch, length was 35 feet 6 1/2 inches, height was 11 feet 1 inch, and wing area was 290.89 square feet."

But I'm surprised, after all of the controversy, and discussion here, that the Ta-183 is listed as AI (although possibly flyable). Will be interesting to see what happens with that one!

ploughman
05-14-2006, 10:54 AM
Already.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6821086244

The 162-c might have a V-tail.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mctomney/he162c.jpg

But the 262 might be more like this.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mctomney/262HII.jpg

Tooz_69GIAP
05-14-2006, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Already.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6821086244

Ah well, didn't see it afore I posted.

ploughman
05-14-2006, 11:06 AM
It's going to be an interesting add-on though. Purists'll be rotating but I'm looking forward to it as being the 'party' ending to Il-2. Some of those Luft '46 designs are mental.

Bremspropeller
05-14-2006, 01:07 PM
Too bad they didn't make up the 262HG-III http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


Ploughman, the Luft'46 pic is correct http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ploughman
05-14-2006, 01:18 PM
Groovy!

jagdmailer
05-15-2006, 12:44 AM
I hope we get the Ta 152C-1. The C-1 variant is the one with the MK 103 30mm long barrel canon Motor Kanone and 4 X MG 151/15 15mm long barrel cannons. One of the reason they chose the MG 151/15 to pair to the MK 103 was that with its long barrel, it had very close ballistics with the MK 103. The 151/15 was not as hard hitting as the MG 151/20, but with four of them, along with the MK 103, it would have been devastating in real life!

The Ta 152C-3 would also be OK, but it had the "hard to use in a dogfight" Mk 108 short barrel Motor Kanone and 4 X 151/20.

Better yet, give us the 2 variants!!!

Jagd