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jagdmailer
02-11-2005, 02:26 PM
Posted Fri February 11 2005 12:29 by Oleg Maddox

"Ju-88A-4 (cockpit and the plane. Sorry need more rework. We started it finally ourselves)"

Does this mean that Jippo/Dietger/Squirel/Falkster Ju 88A-4, Ju 88A-13, Ju 88A-14, Ju 88A-17, Ju 88C-6a & Ju 88C-6a "Field Mod" all have been rejected by Maddox/1C and that Maddox/1C have redone an "in-house" Ju 88A-4 with reworked cockpit and the rest of the variants have been/will be dumped ?

Please say no !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks

Jagd

CKY_86
02-11-2005, 02:29 PM
i seriouslly hope that thisa is not the case http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

would we be able to have some clalification on this please

thanks

harryklein66
02-11-2005, 02:43 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif I hope they can rework the C-6 too

Foo.bar
02-11-2005, 03:56 PM
er hat ja nicht gesagt, dass das modell oder cockpit fehlt. oleg sagte immer, dass er zu wenig daten bezüglich fm hat. so wird es sein.

jagdmailer
02-11-2005, 04:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Foo.bar:
er hat ja nicht gesagt, dass das modell oder cockpit fehlt. oleg sagte immer, dass er zu wenig daten bezüglich fm hat. so wird es sein. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was over 10,000 Ju 88 made as far as I can recall. I doubt FM data would be an issue......

Jagd

CKY_86
02-11-2005, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Foo.bar:
er hat ja nicht gesagt, dass das modell oder cockpit fehlt. oleg sagte immer, dass er zu wenig daten bezüglich fm hat. so wird es sein. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was over 10,000 Ju 88 made as far as I can recall. I doubt FM data would be an issue......

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

would some1 be asble to translate that for me please http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-11-2005, 04:37 PM
edit. I like the theory posted below.

harryklein66
02-11-2005, 04:41 PM
he say "he did not say that the model or cockpit is missing.Oleg said always that it has too little data concerning FM.like that it will be."

LEXX_Luthor
02-11-2005, 05:18 PM
Ok, so FM it is then.

EJGrOst_Caspar
02-11-2005, 05:24 PM
No, Oleg was searching for someone who can upgrade the cockpit. I saw the file and I must say, that it needed definitly some rework. It had Bf109 look and maybe even more worse. Maybe the model is ok, the mapping and texturing not. So I asked Oleg to do that task, but no answer. I guess at that point they already started doing it by themself.

necrobaron
02-11-2005, 05:48 PM
That's a bit surprising. I always thought Jippo was pretty professional in his work. At least it looked like it to my ignorant-to-modeling eyes.

Airmail109
02-11-2005, 06:02 PM
erm.....im starting to think we are stealing from oleg now! we expect so much http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

p1ngu666
02-11-2005, 06:25 PM
ju88 is really complex cockpit to make, alot to show...
perhaps they are redoing the mapping...

crazyivan1970
02-11-2005, 07:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
Posted Fri February 11 2005 12:29 by Oleg Maddox

"Ju-88A-4 (cockpit and the plane. Sorry need more rework. We started it finally ourselves)"

Does this mean that Jippo/Dietger/Squirel/Falkster Ju 88A-4, Ju 88A-13, Ju 88A-14, Ju 88A-17, Ju 88C-6a & Ju 88C-6a "Field Mod" all have been rejected by Maddox/1C and that Maddox/1C have redone an "in-house" Ju 88A-4 with reworked cockpit and the rest of the variants have been/will be dumped ?

Please say no !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They were not dumped or rejected, they just need some additional work to meet some standards that required for them to be in the sim. That`s all.

jagdmailer
02-11-2005, 10:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
Posted Fri February 11 2005 12:29 by Oleg Maddox

"Ju-88A-4 (cockpit and the plane. Sorry need more rework. We started it finally ourselves)"

Does this mean that Jippo/Dietger/Squirel/Falkster Ju 88A-4, Ju 88A-13, Ju 88A-14, Ju 88A-17, Ju 88C-6a & Ju 88C-6a "Field Mod" all have been rejected by Maddox/1C and that Maddox/1C have redone an "in-house" Ju 88A-4 with reworked cockpit and the rest of the variants have been/will be dumped ?

Please say no !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They were not dumped or rejected, they just need some additional work to meet some standards that required for them to be in the sim. That`s all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah! OK! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Thanks for your confirmation that the 7 variants will still happen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was just scared to death that, as per Oleg's statement only the Ju 88A-4 early had been redone from scratch and the whole 7 variants made by the Jippo crew were dumped.

I really want to fly the Ju 88C-6a day "heavy-fighter/heavy-zerstorer" variant on eastern front train busting and other destroyer missions, let alone surprise a few Laggs & Yaks with the Ju 88A-4 bomber look-alike "painted" glass nose with 3 X MG15 7,.92mm + 3 X MG/FF 20mm nose armement......just sounds devastating.....

Jagd

Jippo01
02-12-2005, 12:48 AM
Ju 88 was given to Oleg with all parties knowing about some minor improvements that were needed to finalise the model. It was decided that MG will do this work.

Oleg's post now means that they have now finally found the time to start work on these things. So after many months of break in the Ju 88 development, now the things are finally moving forward again, and Ju 88 A-4 is in works. That is the minimum.

Oleg will surely put in as many variants as he possibly can, but now it is at least A-4, which is already very nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If Oleg can't do all the variants, do not blame him, he will do his best. He will do all if he only can, but he is on a tight schedule.


-jippo

harryklein66
02-12-2005, 03:34 AM
no blame here, even if we "only" have the A-4 it's already a very good news http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
still hope they can add the C-6 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CKY_86
02-12-2005, 03:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
Posted Fri February 11 2005 12:29 by Oleg Maddox

"Ju-88A-4 (cockpit and the plane. Sorry need more rework. We started it finally ourselves)"

Does this mean that Jippo/Dietger/Squirel/Falkster Ju 88A-4, Ju 88A-13, Ju 88A-14, Ju 88A-17, Ju 88C-6a & Ju 88C-6a "Field Mod" all have been rejected by Maddox/1C and that Maddox/1C have redone an "in-house" Ju 88A-4 with reworked cockpit and the rest of the variants have been/will be dumped ?

Please say no !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They were not dumped or rejected, they just need some additional work to meet some standards that required for them to be in the sim. That`s all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah! OK! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Thanks for your confirmation that the 7 variants will still happen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was just scared to death that, as per Oleg's statement only the Ju 88A-4 early had been redone from scratch and the whole 7 variants made by the Jippo crew were dumped.

I really want to fly the Ju 88C-6a day "heavy-fighter/heavy-zerstorer" variant on eastern front train busting and other destroyer missions, let alone surprise a few Laggs & Yaks with the Ju 88A-4 bomber look-alike "painted" glass nose with 3 X MG15 7,.92mm + 3 X MG/FF 20mm nose armement......just sounds devastating.....

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

shhhh your giving away our online tactics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

p1ngu666
02-12-2005, 07:43 AM
yeah a bomber varient, and a heavy fighter would be a nice balence, if we cant have them all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Arm_slinger
02-12-2005, 08:47 AM
Thank you for your input Jippo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jagdmailer
02-12-2005, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Ju 88 was given to Oleg with all parties knowing about some minor improvements that were needed to finalise the model. It was decided that MG will do this work.

Oleg's post now means that they have now finally found the time to start work on these things. So after many months of break in the Ju 88 development, now the things are finally moving forward again, and Ju 88 A-4 is in works. That is the minimum.

Oleg will surely put in as many variants as he possibly can, but now it is at least A-4, which is already very nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If Oleg can't do all the variants, do not blame him, he will do his best. He will do all if he only can, but he is on a tight schedule.


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for your post Jippo.

However, I finally bought PF strictly and after being told to for being able to have your 7 variants of the Ju 88. I would be pretty pi$$ed off if after being told to buy PF to obtain the Ju 88s, I can only have the Ju 88A-4.

Besides this potential state of affair with the Ju 88, the people who bought PF standalone are getting somewhat ripped off even with the latest news as far as I am concerned.

Start to sound like a pattern ?

Common Oleg, please deliver the goods.

Regards,

Jagd

CHDT
02-12-2005, 09:44 AM
It would be much better to do he C-6 first, as it is much more versatile as a simming point of view.

Jippo01
02-12-2005, 11:02 AM
I understand both your points.

Jagd, it is unfortunate that we all have had to wait for so long. Also it is unfotunate that at this point Oleg can only talk about A-4. But there are things going on in the background, and they seem to be extremely busy. Oleg promised the A-4 and some other variant, we just had an inspiration to do some more while we were at it. So at the moment he is fulfilling his promise, and if he can he will also bring the extras on. It is easier job when one is made ready, so he may be able to do even them all. Let's see what future brings, and try to be hopeful. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


CHDT, C-6 is more interesting gameplay wise, I agree. But in the terms of WW2 it was a plane with significantly less importance than A-4.


-jippo

CKY_86
02-12-2005, 11:28 AM
thanks for your input jippo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fherathras
02-12-2005, 11:32 AM
night time ground attack is so mutch fun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

jagdmailer
02-13-2005, 01:57 PM
Bump for the 7 variants of Ju 88.

Jagd

jurinko
02-13-2005, 02:21 PM
thanks Jippo and other for your hard work. I look forward to that sinister and powerfull bird..

Kannaksen_hanu
02-13-2005, 04:37 PM
Nice to hear from you Jippo! And much much thanks for your effort!

-Waiting for the A-4 with my "Lent¤j¤n k¤sikirja IV" and Ju-88 pilots notes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oleg_Maddox
02-14-2005, 02:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
That's a bit surprising. I always thought Jippo was pretty professional in his work. At least it looked like it to my ignorant-to-modeling eyes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 3D models could looks very priofessional, but they also could be done using different technology that doesn't match the technology that uses in FB. So, the model should be reworked in terms of technology. And it isn't only mapping or so. There is way more work.

The simple sample for you that to explain - CFS series models can't be used in FB as well as FB models can't be used in CFS. But in both cases the models are done by professionals.

Snow_Wolf_
02-14-2005, 02:17 AM
I happy with any Ju-88 even if it only the A4. And thank you for the update on it Oleg and Jippo

DarthBane_
02-14-2005, 03:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Ju 88 was given to Oleg with all parties knowing about some minor improvements that were needed to finalise the model. It was decided that MG will do this work.

Oleg's post now means that they have now finally found the time to start work on these things. So after many months of break in the Ju 88 development, now the things are finally moving forward again, and Ju 88 A-4 is in works. That is the minimum.

Oleg will surely put in as many variants as he possibly can, but now it is at least A-4, which is already very nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If Oleg can't do all the variants, do not blame him, he will do his best. He will do all if he only can, but he is on a tight schedule.


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for your post Jippo.

However, I finally bought PF strictly and after being told to for being able to have your 7 variants of the Ju 88. I would be pretty pi$$ed off if after being told to buy PF to obtain the Ju 88s, I can only have the Ju 88A-4.

Besides this potential state of affair with the Ju 88, the people who bought PF standalone are getting somewhat ripped off even with the latest news as far as I am concerned.

Start to sound like a pattern ?

Common Oleg, please deliver the goods.

Regards,

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree completely: i dont like PF, dont care about corsair, bunch of zeros (all with exeptionaly ugly cockpits), val and sbd with ugly cockpits too, i am waiting for ju88 (all variants), ta 152c, do335. I bought PF but never play anything from that theatre. I bought it to help 1c finish more planes for ET. PF sucks bigtime.

A.K.Davis
02-15-2005, 08:42 AM
Great to hear there is still a good chance of flying the '88.

LEXX_Luthor
02-15-2005, 09:28 AM
A4 is Good

Thanks Oleg and "88 keys" jippo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JG52_wunsch
02-15-2005, 07:53 PM
thx,jippo for clarifying.i hope they have time
for at least 2 versions we ve been waiting awhile and had to buy pf just to get it.cheers

Capt._Tenneal
02-16-2005, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:

I agree completely: i dont like PF, dont care about corsair, bunch of zeros (all with exeptionaly ugly cockpits), val and sbd with ugly cockpits too, i am waiting for ju88 (all variants), ta 152c, do335. I bought PF but never play anything from that theatre. I bought it to help 1c finish more planes for ET. PF sucks bigtime. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha ha, I have the same feeling about BOB theater. Just substitute PF in your statement with BOB and that's how I feel. I can't wait for Oleg to get back to the Eastern Front with the new game engine. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But I like the Ju-88, don't get me wrong. Thanks to everyone working on this plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

jagdmailer
02-16-2005, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Ju 88 was given to Oleg with all parties knowing about some minor improvements that were needed to finalise the model. It was decided that MG will do this work.

Oleg's post now means that they have now finally found the time to start work on these things. So after many months of break in the Ju 88 development, now the things are finally moving forward again, and Ju 88 A-4 is in works. That is the minimum.

Oleg will surely put in as many variants as he possibly can, but now it is at least A-4, which is already very nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If Oleg can't do all the variants, do not blame him, he will do his best. He will do all if he only can, but he is on a tight schedule.


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for your post Jippo.

However, I finally bought PF strictly and after being told to for being able to have your 7 variants of the Ju 88. I would be pretty pi$$ed off if after being told to buy PF to obtain the Ju 88s, I can only have the Ju 88A-4.

Besides this potential state of affair with the Ju 88, the people who bought PF standalone are getting somewhat ripped off even with the latest news as far as I am concerned.

Start to sound like a pattern ?

Common Oleg, please deliver the goods.

Regards,

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree completely: i dont like PF, dont care about corsair, bunch of zeros (all with exeptionaly ugly cockpits), val and sbd with ugly cockpits too, i am waiting for ju88 (all variants), ta 152c, do335. I bought PF but never play anything from that theatre. I bought it to help 1c finish more planes for ET. PF sucks bigtime. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pretty much the same here....

About the very sad news about the Ju 88, I am very much hoping to have at the very least, 3 variants out of the 7 that were handed over to Maddox a year ago: (perhaps if the last year had not been somewhat wasted on the PF fiasco, we would have 7 great Ju 88 variants in AEP 2 or AEP 3 - and be much more advanced on BoB engine BTW.....)

1. Ju 88 "early" with dive brakes and dive bombing sight.

2. Ju 88C-6 for heavy zerstorer dynamic campaings on the eastern front, or using the Normandy maps for some 1942-1943 scenarios or campaigns.

3. Ju 88A-17 torpedo bomber for the new Murmansk map.

I would be relatively happy with the above if there is no way we can have them all.

Jagd

jagdmailer
02-16-2005, 01:57 PM
Ju 88C-6a from KG40 based in Lorient, France & used in anti-shipping missions circa 1943.

http://gallery02.kitparade.com/images/ju88c6jy_1.jpg

Jagd

avimimus
02-16-2005, 02:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Ju 88 was given to Oleg with all parties knowing about some minor improvements that were needed to finalise the model. It was decided that MG will do this work.

Oleg's post now means that they have now finally found the time to start work on these things. So after many months of break in the Ju 88 development, now the things are finally moving forward again, and Ju 88 A-4 is in works. That is the minimum.

Oleg will surely put in as many variants as he possibly can, but now it is at least A-4, which is already very nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If Oleg can't do all the variants, do not blame him, he will do his best. He will do all if he only can, but he is on a tight schedule.


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once again you have managed to impress me!
How long has the Ju-88 been in the works?
Four years now?

-Avimimus

jagdmailer
02-16-2005, 02:55 PM
Below: Three images of Junkers Ju88C-6a coded F1+XM of the Zerstorestaffel 4./KG76 employed primarily on train busting operations on the Eastern Front in 1943. The transparencies painted on the nose were presumably intended to deceive Soviet fighter pilots (text & images via "The Warplanes of the Third Reich")

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/ju88/ju88%20f1+xm%20-01.jpg

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/ju88/ju88%20f1+xm%20-02.jpg

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/ju88/ju88%20f1+xm%20-03.jpg

http://www.militaryhobbies.ca/custom/Product/dml5536sm.jpg

Jagd

jagdmailer
02-16-2005, 04:10 PM
more Eastern Front C-6...hehehehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

http://www.store666.com/toy_img/401776b.jpg

http://www.store666.com/toy_img/401776.jpg

Jagd

Aaron_GT
02-20-2005, 05:12 AM
I agree, even just the A4 would be nice, with the more the merrier on top (S and R would be nice additions too, but I can wait until BoB)

jagdmailer
02-21-2005, 08:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
I agree, even just the A4 would be nice, with the more the merrier on top (S and R would be nice additions too, but I can wait until BoB) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A-4 early, A-17 & C-6 are a must!

Jagd

Romulan
02-23-2005, 07:15 PM
Can€t wait to fly the ju88! Been looking forward to it ever since I saw the first demo of il2.
Can we have the C-6 version as well as this plane shot more allied bombers down at night than all the other version of German night fighters put together.

jagdmailer
02-23-2005, 07:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Romulan:
Can€t wait to fly the ju88! Been looking forward to it ever since I saw the first demo of il2.
Can we have the C-6 version as well as this plane shot more allied bombers down at night than all the other version of German night fighters put together. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but it's the C-6a heavy day fighter/zerstorer that we may be getting - not the night fighter variant C-6b or C-6c.

Also need the A-17 torp for the upcoming Murmansk map.

Jagd

p1ngu666
02-23-2005, 10:16 PM
wonder if we could ask for a bay of biscay map, just different colour sea http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ju88, mossies, pby, bombers, all did maritime stuff out there, i dont know much about it tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

allies hunted uboats in that area, with the more strike type aircraft, mossies, beu's etc http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

PraetorHonoris
02-24-2005, 01:28 AM
I am sorry to tell, but there will be only the A4

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Index2.htm

sad...

jagdmailer
02-24-2005, 08:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
I am sorry to tell, but there will be only the A4

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Index2.htm

sad... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What I was told is Ju 88A-4 late almost for sure, other variants perhaps. Jippo & some of the Ju 88 crew has been back in contact with Oleg to supply additional info lately to see that as many are done as possibly. Not sure what the end result will be, but I would be content with:

Ju 88A-4 "early" (early & late a pretty similar, so if we get late - we may likely get early)
Ju 88A-17 (torp) - do not forget the Murmansk map !!
Ju 88C-6a

Cross your fingers......

Jagd

Jippo01
02-24-2005, 10:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
I am sorry to tell, but there will be only the A4

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Index2.htm

sad... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It is "at least" A-4. I wrote in the Ju 88 forums my guesses about the future, so you might want to read those (thread was something like "Oleg has spoken" or something like that).

I have been since in contact with Moscow, and things seem to be progressing very well now. But it is too early to comment about variants yet. I suggest to be happy about one and ecstatic if there are more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That is my personal approach anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But so far there haven't been any complications and all looks good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


-jippo

CKY_86
02-24-2005, 11:39 AM
fantastic there is hope yet for the other ju88 variants http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jagdmailer
02-24-2005, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
I am sorry to tell, but there will be only the A4

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Index2.htm

sad... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It is "at least" A-4. I wrote in the Ju 88 forums my guesses about the future, so you might want to read those (thread was something like "Oleg has spoken" or something like that).

I have been since in contact with Moscow, and things seem to be progressing very well now. But it is too early to comment about variants yet. I suggest to be happy about one and ecstatic if there are more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That is my personal approach anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But so far there haven't been any complications and all looks good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jippo,

Thanks for your post.

Like I said however, I basically bought PF for the Ju 88 and short of getting the 7 variants that were done, I would be content with the following:

- Ju 88A-4 "early" (a "must" IMHO)
- Ju 88A-4 "late" - since it seems this is the first one that is being integrated anyway
- Ju 88A-17 (for the Murmansk map)
- Ju 88C-6a (another "must" IMHO for BoE Normandy & Eastern Front maps)

Thanks for your renewed efforts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Jagd

Romulan
02-24-2005, 05:53 PM
Ok, ok, so i fergot an A. I would like the C-6a the most.

PS does any know if the Do-17 will be flyable in BOB?

jagdmailer
02-24-2005, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Romulan:
Ok, ok, so i fergot an A. I would like the C-6a the most.

PS does any know if the Do-17 will be flyable in BOB? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Talking about the Ju 88C-6a, here it is in all it's glory with it's 3 X MG/FF cannons and 3 X MGs and ready to be optimized & integrated into FB/AEP/PF......I have been waiting 18 months for this.....!

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Project/finalskins/C-6_grey_01.jpg

Do 17Z-2 is dead. Finally went to the scrap heap for good when Lord Luthier http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif scooped most of the third party modellers for his half-a$s effort at the pacific theatre of ops.

Jagd

heywooood
02-24-2005, 07:22 PM
wow - hell yeah for the Ju88...

..ilya... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Romulan
02-26-2005, 02:26 AM
Jagd,

Thanks for the great pic. Looks soo good.

jagdmailer
02-26-2005, 09:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Romulan:
Jagd,

Thanks for the great pic. Looks soo good. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your are quite welcome. Here another one of my favorite: Ready to be optimized and intergrated in FB/AEP/PF flyable Ju 88A-17 torpedo bomber. Some standard features of Ju 88A-17 - lower gondola removed, and the 4 X A-series standard inner wing bomb racks replaced by 2 X torpedo shackles.

That would be just AWESOME for the upcoming Murmansk map...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif This one already has the proper skin...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Jagd

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Project/finalskins/A-17Wellenmuster_02.jpg

CHDT
02-26-2005, 09:34 AM
This variant would be cool too: basically just an A-4 with a fixed 20mm in the gondola:

http://img176.exs.cx/img176/1267/profiledecal48002r4wp.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

jagdmailer
02-26-2005, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CHDT:
This variant would be cool too: basically just an A-4 with a fixed 20mm in the gondola:

http://www.imageshack.us <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, this is the Ju 88A-14 and it is one of the 7 variants that Jippo/Dietger/Falkster/Squirrel made and gave to Oleg a year ago.

BTW, the MG/FF 20mm cannon in front of the gondola is not fixed, but flex mount.

Jagd

Jippo01
02-26-2005, 10:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:

BTW, the MG/FF 20mm cannon in front of the gondola is not fixed, but flex mount.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually it can be fired by pilot (fixed) and observer (flex) so both are right. If we see it in FB it will be fixed only, and observer will fire Mg-81 in A-Stand.

Jagd, while you are at it, you could post all the renders of the different models here. Maybe someone hasn't seen them before. But all remember that Oleg has promised only A-4, while others are "optional".


-jippo

jagdmailer
02-26-2005, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:

BTW, the MG/FF 20mm cannon in front of the gondola is not fixed, but flex mount.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually it can be fired by pilot (fixed) and observer (flex) so both are right. If we see it in FB it will be fixed only, and observer will fire Mg-81 in A-Stand.

Jagd, while you are at it, you could post all the renders of the different models here. Maybe someone hasn't seen them before. But all remember that Oleg has promised only A-4, while others are "optional".


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure if you do not mind :-)

Thanks for correcting me & thanks your continued efforts Jippo!

BTW, I could not find renditions of A-13 & A-14, but here is what looks like an A-4 early in desert camo.

Jagd

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Project/finalskins/A-4_desert_01.jpg

Jippo01
02-26-2005, 11:03 AM
No, I don't mind. That is why I asked you to do it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo

CHDT
02-26-2005, 11:47 AM
Btw, this model is a total beauty. COngrats!

jagdmailer
02-26-2005, 12:02 PM
Ju 88A-4 "early" with similar desert camo but with the wellenmuster as used in Italy against the Allied invasion forces circa 1943.

Jagd

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Project/finalskins/A-4_desert_03.jpg

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Project/finalskins/A-4_desert_02.jpg

p1ngu666
02-26-2005, 01:58 PM
jagd, u got any accounts on how well the torp ju88 did?

from what ive read in books, they wherent very successful, and took heavy losses against the ships going to murmansk http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

mostly from AA, later convoys had swordfish and escort fighters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JG53-Falkster
02-27-2005, 03:57 PM
well im nut sure but i think some swordfishes don't care the ju88 that much, or were they faster than, let's say ~450 km/h? But if i remember right, they have had hellcats on the murmansk carriers.

Hm the Ju88A-17 was after the ju188 the best german torpedobomber.
They had heavy losses but they made also some heavy losses........

""heavy losses against the ships going to murmansk""

hm, in 44/45 probably......but bevor remember PQ17 and many others......

Jippo01
03-10-2005, 07:06 AM
Message from Alex in Moscow:

You can say -" flyable Ju-88 will be necessarily inserted into IL-2" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Alex has been working with the import to game engine today and during last two weeks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo

Vipez-
03-10-2005, 07:20 AM
Indeed, Ju88 A-17 was the best german torpedo bomber (not counting FW190s with Torpedos http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).. they suffered casualties, but it was understandable, considering the amount of AAA, which sometimes where protecting the convoy..

PQ-17 was a success, but later with improved AAA-cover, in PQ18 for example ..There was Several destroyers, AA cruiser HMS Scylla, carrier HMS Avenger, and later 4 more Soviet destroyes from murmansk to give additional cover.. that is one hell of a flak barrage..

Still, considering the heavy AAA-cover in convoy PQ18, JU88 A-17s and HE111 H-6s on KG30 managed to sink 10 ships out of convoy of 40 ships (u-boats sank additional three more)....losses were kinda high for germans as well (they lost 41 airplanes in various strikes to convoy PQ-18, though most of them obsolote HE-115 planes..), but this certainly does not give the idea of Ju88 beeing ineffective http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif In total, PQ-18 had 53 warships protecting the convoy.

PQ-17 was naturally different case, no war ships escorting, so the convoy was butchered by torpedo bombers..

Can't wait to use Goldene Zange tactics in my JU88 against the convoys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (golden comb)

Atzebrueck
03-10-2005, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Message from Alex in Moscow:

_You can say -" flyable Ju-88 will be necessarily inserted into IL-2" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif_

Alex has been working with the import to game engine today and during last two weeks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/huepfen/jumping-smiley-014.gif http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-011.gif

nsu
03-10-2005, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Message from Alex in Moscow:

_You can say -" flyable Ju-88 will be necessarily inserted into IL-2" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif_

Alex has been working with the import to game engine today and during last two weeks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


good news http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
is the Ju88 in the next Patch 3.05?

Gruß NSU http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Philipscdrw
03-10-2005, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Message from Alex in Moscow:

_You can say -" flyable Ju-88 will be necessarily inserted into IL-2" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif_

Alex has been working with the import to game engine today and during last two weeks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wonderful! I will look forward to a Ju-88 dynamic campaign.

Just wondering, how much work is required to produce a varient such as the '20mm gondola cannon' version from the A4?

Vipez-
03-10-2005, 08:25 AM
again stupid question, but can we know for sure what subtypes of ju88 we got for sure (as flyable i mean )..

waiting for ju88 for two weeks is driving me nuts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jagdmailer
03-10-2005, 08:27 AM
Alex,

Make sure we get at least the Ju 88A-4 "early", the A-17 & the C-6a variants.

Thanks,

Jagd

Jippo01
03-10-2005, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
again stupid question, but can we know for sure what subtypes of ju88 we got for sure (as flyable i mean ).. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well for sure it is A-4.

Other possibilities have been listed here and can be found in the Falkster's Ju88 website in more detail(link in my signature), but these are only possibilities, not promised. Other versions than that are virtually impossible for one or other reason.

So far Alex has been able to go on without any major problems that I know of. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo

Ps. I don't know too much about what is happening in Moscow so I cannot give all the answers.

JG53-Falkster
03-10-2005, 09:13 AM
The Diva is coming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif vroooooooooum
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/cl-pln4/images6/29Ju88A-4.JPG

jagdmailer
03-10-2005, 09:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53-Falkster:
The Diva is coming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif vroooooooooum
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/cl-pln4/images6/29Ju88A-4.JPG <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


That is an awesome drawing Falkster!


Well again, running the risk of repeating myself: Since I (and probably a fair portion of the people that did) bought PF simply for more eastern/western patches including most importantly the flyable Ju 88s, I am hoping for 3 variants at least out of the 7 that are ready to be integrated in the game: A-4 "early", A-17 & C-6a.

Others (A-4 "late", A-13, A-14 & C-6a "Field Mod") could be made AI if they cannot be integrated as flyable in time.

Based on why I bought PF for, anything less than that would be a rip-off in my honest opinion.

Now please deliver the goods Mr. Maddox.

Jagd

269GA-Veltro
03-10-2005, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Message from Alex in Moscow:

_You can say -" flyable Ju-88 will be necessarily inserted into IL-2" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif_

Alex has been working with the import to game engine today and during last two weeks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YES!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

p1ngu666
03-10-2005, 11:24 AM
more i read about ju88 the more i want it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

avimimus
03-10-2005, 01:42 PM
I doubt it would be in 3.05 and in anycase it will probably be only for the merged install.

"After a long break mainly because PF we get some news from oleg, he told that they're working on the Ju88 but in reason of time only the A-4 will be flyable, for the other versions, is no big hope....."

The last line looks rather sad!

Personally given the relative levels of work, I would like to see all varriants flyable.

Some of these varriants would add a lot to gameplay even if only as AI.

I really am irritated enough by the resources diverted to PF (eg. Ki-100) that I really could not stand seeing all these aircraft cancelled (the PBY was bad enough).

In anycase Jippo, thank you!

avimimus
03-10-2005, 01:46 PM
What of the possibility of an AI with guided weapons using the Ohka system?

jagdmailer
03-10-2005, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by avimimus:
I doubt it would be in 3.05 and in anycase it will probably be only for the merged install.

"After a long break mainly because PF we get some news from oleg, he told that they're working on the Ju88 but in reason of time only the A-4 will be flyable, for the other versions, is no big hope....."

The last line looks rather sad!

Personally given the relative levels of work, I would like to see all varriants flyable.

Some of these varriants would add a lot to gameplay even if only as AI.

I really am irritated enough by the resources diverted to PF (eg. Ki-100) that I really could not stand seeing all these aircraft cancelled (the PBY was bad enough).

In anycase Jippo, thank you! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fully agree with you Avi,

I am hoping & would consider fair for 3 variants at least out of the 7 that are ready to be integrated in the game: A-4 "early", A-17 & C-6a.

Others (A-4 "late", A-13, A-14 & C-6a "Field Mod") could be made AI if they cannot be integrated as flyable in time. A-4 "late" & A-14 were fairly common, while A-13 and C-6a "field mod" were probably mainly Eastern Front.

C-6a would be awesome flyable for Eastern Front Heavy zerstorer long range train busting missions and perhaps even BoE add-on for the desperate attacks of KG40 on the invasion fleet. A-17 would be fantastic for upcoming Murmansk map. A-4 "early" was general purpose. I would rather have A-4 "early" so we can dive-bomb with it too as the "late" variant had only level bombing capacity and less defensive armement even - unless we get the rear B & C-stand MG15s replaced with MG131s which was fairly common "Field Mod" later in the war as the MG15 no matter how many were pretty much useless anyway.

Thanks again Jippo/Falkster/Dietger/Squirrel for your efforts.

Jagd

Philipscdrw
03-10-2005, 08:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by avimimus:
What of the possibility of an AI with guided weapons using the Ohka system? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We have an Ohka? Where?

p1ngu666
03-10-2005, 10:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by avimimus:
What of the possibility of an AI with guided weapons using the Ohka system? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We have an Ohka? Where? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

was in dev update http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Jippo01
03-10-2005, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
A-4 "early" so we can dive-bomb with it too as the "late" variant had only level bombing capacity and less defensive armement even - <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Who said it couldn't divebomb? It just doesn't have dive brakes.

Weaponry is Mg-81, and ther will at least not be any version with Mg131.


-jippo

jagdmailer
03-10-2005, 10:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
A-4 "early" so we can dive-bomb with it too as the "late" variant had only level bombing capacity and less defensive armement even - <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Who said it couldn't divebomb? It just doesn't have dive brakes.

Weaponry is Mg-81, and ther will at least not be any version with Mg131.


-jippo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What about the dive bombing sight ?

MG81 all around ?

Jagd

Jippo01
03-11-2005, 12:59 AM
Sight is there alright. Divebrakes were removed from 88's around 1943, because fast shallow dives became favored tactic and brakes caused air resistance also when closed. Front mg was not always, but often removed later in the war because of it's limited usability and hindrance to pilot visibility.

Machineguns are Mg-81j's and Mg-81z's all around. See "plane specification"-thread in Ju88 forums for more details on actual specifications suggested to Moscow. But there will be no Mg-131 for sure. Would have been for S-3 but not now.


-jippo

LEXX_Luthor
03-11-2005, 01:44 AM
jippo:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Divebrakes were removed from 88's around 1943, because fast shallow dives became favored tactic <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey jippo.

Why shallow dive become favored tactic? ... more AA danger??? Ju~87D5 brings us shallow dive bombsight...same reason?

Jippo01
03-11-2005, 01:57 AM
Yes, exactly, less exposure to flak and faster escape from target area. But Stuvi can be used all the same on steep and shallow dives.


-jippo

p1ngu666
03-11-2005, 10:31 AM
i do shallow dives, cos of twist stick and how rudders are ingame, easy to throw off your aim, speed helps keep plane straight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

steep dives when aa gunners realised to keep shooting became dangous for stuka's because of predictable flightpath

jagdmailer
03-25-2005, 10:20 AM
Bump for flyable Ju 88A-4 "early", Ju 88A-17 & Ju 88C-6a.

Ju 88A-4 "late", Ju 88A-13, Ju 88A-14 & Ju 88C-6a "field mod" can by AI, although there is really not much more work in getting an A-4 "late" from A-4 "early" and an A-14 from an A-4 or vice-versa :-)

Jagd