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Claus Valka
09-16-2004, 08:15 PM
Hey! I've recently taken an interest in air combat games, and I have a few questions pertaining to them, please no flames.. im a newbie remember http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


1.) Would a mouse and keyboard be playable with this type of game?

2.) What do others use? Will there be a disadvantage of me not using what someone else uses? (like a Joystick), or can I perform just as well as you do with a mouse and keyboard.

3.) I'm a competitive player that comes from first person shooters, I enjoy ladder play.. does this type of game have any ladders?

4.) How difficult is it to fly these planes? (I've never played any flight simulators or anything, and im talking how hard is it to get the plane off the ground.. maintain speed.. .is there a lot of button pushing?)

5.) I'm pretty psyched for some dogfights, is it as fun as I think it will be?

If any of you could be so kind, please give me some advice!

Claus Valka
09-16-2004, 08:15 PM
Hey! I've recently taken an interest in air combat games, and I have a few questions pertaining to them, please no flames.. im a newbie remember http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


1.) Would a mouse and keyboard be playable with this type of game?

2.) What do others use? Will there be a disadvantage of me not using what someone else uses? (like a Joystick), or can I perform just as well as you do with a mouse and keyboard.

3.) I'm a competitive player that comes from first person shooters, I enjoy ladder play.. does this type of game have any ladders?

4.) How difficult is it to fly these planes? (I've never played any flight simulators or anything, and im talking how hard is it to get the plane off the ground.. maintain speed.. .is there a lot of button pushing?)

5.) I'm pretty psyched for some dogfights, is it as fun as I think it will be?

If any of you could be so kind, please give me some advice!

Bull_dog_
09-16-2004, 08:35 PM
Welcome...

1) Yes, but don't do it...you'll hate it. Get a good joystick or wait before buying it.

2) You'll be at a severe disadvantage and be shot down regularly on line...don't do it!

3) Not sure what you mean

4) With a good joystick like the Saitek X-45, the act of flying is not hard...taking off and landing is tough for beginners though... I found it took me a long time (months) to gain on line proficiency and this was after even longer offline in other games (years). There are good teachers and good guides, but being competitive on line is near impossible for a new pilot with no experience with the game...but of course learning is exactly why I fly!
5) It should be real good...although I don't know what you think it will be like. You may get frustrated at first online so be patient. Very satisfying to kill virtual pilots http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I hope you do decide to join the festivities...the game is downright addictive to me. If you are a WWII history buff, you'll probably get years of enjoyment learning about the game and learning more about history playing it and talking to people on this forum than you thought imaginable. Some folks aren't necessarily history buffs, but still like the fast action and skill it requires.

I can tell you this...any person on line in a plane with guns can kill another player, but there is a huge difference from the casual pilot to the true aces...try it, you will see for your self.

Claus Valka
09-16-2004, 09:42 PM
Thanks! And by #3, With other games there are ladder competitions.. with "clans" and "guilds" and a fight for #1, do these games support that? I look forward to playing this game. If you could please and its not too much trouble, link me to that joystick i'd like to check it out.

Claus Valka
09-16-2004, 09:48 PM
I'll probably purchase the game, and see if I do like it a lot, then purchase the joystick since it seems to cost a nice penny. How big of a disadvantage am I at compared to the pilots who have been "flying" for years?

Spectre_USA
09-16-2004, 09:52 PM
I used to play keyboard only, MANY years ago. It's much tougher,
and less likely to have a competitive edge. Anyone with
a joystick, no matter how n00b will wipe the floor with a
keyboard only flyer.

A fair starter joystick can be had for $30, and well worth it...

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Claus Valka
09-17-2004, 12:03 AM
Hi.. sorry for all the questions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But, what kinda things am I gonna need to know to play this game? Everyone around here seems to know so much about planes... am I really gonna have to know everything? Or is it pretty easy to learn?

owlwatcher
09-17-2004, 12:45 AM
Go for it.
Buy a saitek X-45.Easy to setup.
DSL or cable connect.
Cleanup your computer get it running smooth.
Good chance you may want to upgrade for better play.
Pick a plane you like and pratice.
Ask awhole lot of stubid questions.
Read up on the plane you want to fly.
You will have to learn more then you ever wanted to know.
By the way the key board play. waste of time and results.

GoToAway
09-17-2004, 01:12 AM
I'll third the recomendation for the X45. It's worth the price.


As for "trying" with the keyboard, don't bother. The game is practically unplayable with a keyboard. I know as I had to play with a keyboard for a week while I waited for my new flight stick to come in the mail.

A keyboard is digital input. It doesn't offer the range of motion that you need to fly a plane. Imagine driving a car if you could only steer with one strength and apply only one set amount of throttle. You'd be lucky to get down the street without killing yourself.


As for required knowledge, all that you really need is a working understanding of how flight works. You'll be able to pick up the rest on your own or through watching others. It's definetely a good idea to read up a bit on the aircraft that you fly or frequently fly against, though. The game contains a dictionary of sorts that will allow you to compare and contrast different aircraft if you don't want to do any leg work.


A game like Il-2 does require a signifigant amount of time invested. It isn't like Quake or UT in that you can jump onto a server and start blowing people up. For the first week or two you will find yourself getting completely waxed even by early war bombers. It takes practice to become a pilot that does much more than absorb enemy bullets.

However, eventually you'll get it and then you'll see what the game is all about. You'll know what it's all about when you wipe the sweat off your head after downing 3 LaGGs and running like hell over the Gulf of Finland or being the sole survivor of a furball involving 20 planes over Normandy.

VW-IceFire
09-17-2004, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Claus Valka:
Hey! I've recently taken an interest in air combat games, and I have a few questions pertaining to them, please no flames.. im a newbie remember http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


1.) Would a mouse and keyboard be playable with this type of game?

2.) What do others use? Will there be a disadvantage of me not using what someone else uses? (like a Joystick), or can I perform just as well as you do with a mouse and keyboard.

3.) I'm a competitive player that comes from first person shooters, I enjoy ladder play.. does this type of game have any ladders?

4.) How difficult is it to fly these planes? (I've never played any flight simulators or anything, and im talking how hard is it to get the plane off the ground.. maintain speed.. .is there a lot of button pushing?)

5.) I'm pretty psyched for some dogfights, is it as fun as I think it will be?

If any of you could be so kind, please give me some advice!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Welcome!

1) Joystick is a 99% requirement. I imagine a few play on mouse/keyboard but its lunacy at best http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

2) There's lots of joysticks and joystick/throttle combos floating about. I like my MS Preicsion Pro 2. They are no longer available but some are on eBay. Lots of guys recommend the X-45 but I've never used it so I can't say yay or nay.

3) There are ladders and large squadron organizations. There's VEF and VWF as well (Virtual Eastern Front and Virtual Western Front). I've never flown with these guys but they are quite serious into it flying with the most difficult settings and having a great time too.

4) Flying the plane is something you'll probably have to work at. You can't just pick it up and fly...well rather you can but you won't be any good at it probably. But this shouldnt' discourage you. This sim has a ton of options to turn or tone down things till you get comfortable. Plus some planes are easier to fly than others. I'd recommend that your first plane be a Yak or a La-5...those being the "easiest" to fly. You'll learn the basics of flying and then work on your gunnery skills.

There's a great Quick Mission Builder which I spent most of my first 3-4 months in learning the planes and learning how to shoot. Like FPS'es...once you learn what your doing you can become very proficient and its all natural.

5) Dogfights, coops, and ground pounding are the highlights of this experience for sure. There's a little bit for everyone...some servers are specifically designed to be quick and dirty dogfights (usually favors some planes over others).

There's nothing more satisfying then having a two minute joust with another pilot and finally gaining the upperhand nailing his aircraft with a few good shots that rips a wing off or similar destruction.

Its great fun, highly recommended, but if your new to these things, be prepared to put in a bit of time to learn the basics...once you get there you'll start to feel at home and learn lots of new things. I've been playing this game for a year and a half...I'm still learning things but I feel confident in my flying and gunnery.

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JFC_Phantom
09-17-2004, 08:40 AM
first off id say...a joystick is a must...even if it only has a few functions (just 2 buttons)..but the more you have to hand on the joystick, the fast you will be able to react really.

second, just fly around in the quick mission builder to get used to the physics of the game...start off at a highish level of difficulty (ie..dont put "god" style settings like invulnerability and no stalls on) but dont use complex engine stuff etc till you get into it.

In terms of plane choice...all the planes take a degree of knowledge about them to fly to their upmost...looking at sites like www.ilyflyingtips.com (http://www.ilyflyingtips.com) (i think thats 1 of them) for tactical essay type things can be useful but there is no substitue for flying agaisnt real people online, though offline practice is great for gunnery skills and takeoff/landing practice as well as navigation.

In terms of big tournament type things, VEF/VWF are quite popular though i had problems with them because my stats would not go up (and yes...i checked everything!) Some squads have virtual campaigns online that are good fun too

Claus Valka
09-17-2004, 10:34 AM
Thanks for all your responses! I look forward to playing with you all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Claus Valka
09-17-2004, 09:42 PM
I'm sorry to bother you all again, but i'm having some trouble finding some things to read up on beforehand to help me fly when I get the game... if any of you know some good links to do so, please link me! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

steve_v
09-18-2004, 08:36 AM
Alot of very good information here, including flying tutorials.

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/il2_fb.htm

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Tooz_69GIAP
09-18-2004, 11:07 AM
There are a number of competitions and online wars, and so on that you can participate in.

Go here for a list of some of these competitions (http://baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/106.0.html)

There is air racing, dogfight tournaments, online wars based on coops and dogfights, and they each have their own attributes which you may or may not be interested in.

Also, for online play (although I would suggest spending a good amount of time offline practicing in the offline campaigns) you should go here (http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/) and download the Hyperlobby client which is what the majority of people use online to find servers to join.

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