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leddmirage
10-27-2005, 07:04 AM
i've been playing other flight sims for some time but i'm having trouble controlling my plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
when i turn, the aircraft goes into stalls or spins. is there something wrong with my setup?
is there some way to setup my stick so that the stalls/spins won't happen everytime i turn while i'm dogfighting?
i read in some post mention some aircarft never goes into a stall.. i tried those aircrafts too but still the result is the same.. (inevitable crashes into the pacific)
really appreciate it if anyone could help me out here. thanks

ataloss
10-27-2005, 07:25 AM
Try these settings for your joystick, if you're not already using similar.

Roll=1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100
Pitch=1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100
Yaw=1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100
with 2 clicks of Yaw Filtering.

As for stalling, pay attention to your airspeed - don't really go below 200kmh, and be gentle turning, using rudder if need be.

Try the Zero (A6M3) or Oscar (Ki-43) for IJA/N; or Warhawk (P40E or M) or possibly Lightning (P38) for USAAF/USN.

Failing that the Bristol Beaufighter or A20 - both are reasonably quick, quite stable and will teach you the principles of flying (listen to the wing noise - prior to a stall/spin it whisps). The A20 is not as well armoured either, though.

Hope his helps.

grecobd
10-27-2005, 07:26 AM
if you don´t pull back quickly the joysticky or don´t make steped curves at speed near stall speed this will not occur. see if this decides its problem. good look!

Tully__
10-27-2005, 08:05 AM
Stalls happen when the angle of attack of your wings gets too high. This can occur at any speed and is usually caused by pulling back too hard on the joystick.

Another factor that can contribute is not flying straight. The aircraft will be pointing in the same direction it's flying only at certain speeds and power settings. You'll need to use rudder to keep it pointing in the right direction at other times (if you're cruising at steady speed/power, some aircraft are equipped with rudder trim so you don't have to hold the rudder all the time). The slip indicator on the instrument panel tells you whether you're flying straight or not, see this thread (click here) (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/8311086963) for an instrument reference for all aircraft.

If you're not pointed where you're flying while in a turn, you'll find that it's very easy to stall one wing as the combination of turn and slip will cause the effective angle of attack to be much higher on one wing than the other. Try to keep "on the ball" at all times.

You can adjust your stick so you wont stall, just turn down the sensitivity settings on your pitch axis so that the maximum setting is 70% or less. If you do this you wont stall, but you also wont have full control input when you need it, for example when trying to land with half your elevator shot off.

cueceleches
10-27-2005, 08:48 AM
Could someone please explain to me how do yaw settings play? I use default settings for all axes, and do work fine for me, but yaw settings are the only ones with all the sliders up to 100. Is this correct or too much?

Thanks

JHannibalSmith
10-27-2005, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by leddmirage i read in some post mention some aircarft never goes into a stall.. i tried those aircrafts too but still the result is the same.. (inevitable crashes into the pacific)
really appreciate it if anyone could help me out here. thanks

Good advice above on how to avoid spins, but if you always end up in the drink perhaps you need to practice recovering from them? (Everyone spins by accident from time to time)

1. Kill throttle
2. Full opposite rudder (from the spin direction)
3. Forward/down elevator

This should bring you into a dive which you can gently pull out of when you have enough speeeeeed- don't rush it or you'll stall again.

I spin more often than I ought, but frequently avert a spin by using full opposite rudder just at the point when the wing drops. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Tully__
10-27-2005, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by cueceleches:
Could someone please explain to me how do yaw settings play? I use default settings for all axes, and do work fine for me, but yaw settings are the only ones with all the sliders up to 100. Is this correct or too much?

Thanks
It's up to you whether it's correct or too much. The sliders work the same for all controls, click the "Joysticks..." link under my signature and read the section about setting up sensitivity.

cueceleches
10-27-2005, 11:08 AM
Thanks a lot Tully!

IL2-chuter
10-27-2005, 12:42 PM
AND . . . when you DO go into stalls . . . well . . . quite frankly, the stalls are the weak leak in the game. Instead of dropping the nose you drop a wing and then the tail. It's the least believable part of the sim. I don't ever recall, in 29 years, of unintentially stalling an airplane and yet I occasionally do in the game . . . and then the . . . stall/spin thingy. Oh, well. All the yakking about speeds, dives, turns but the stalls are less than right and no one cares . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

The best thing about the stalls? They're the same for everyone.


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Tully__
10-27-2005, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by IL2-chuter:
AND . . . when you DO go into stalls . . . well . . . quite frankly, the stalls are the weak leak in the game. Instead of dropping the nose you drop a wing and then the tail. It's the least believable part of the sim. I don't ever recall, in 29 years, of unintentially stalling an airplane and yet I occasionally do in the game . . . and then the . . . stall/spin thingy. Oh, well. All the yakking about speeds, dives, turns but the stalls are less than right and no one cares . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

The best thing about the stalls? They're the same for everyone.


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NO sim does a good job of stalls.

IL2-chuter
10-29-2005, 01:46 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif



The Brits, after testing the 109E against a contemporary Spitfire, noted the Spit's ultimate turning superiority but also how much easier it was to fly the 109 on the edge of its stall which allowed for more consistant extreme turns which could work against a less experienced Spitfire pilot. One could argue that stalls and their warning characteristics are extraordinarily important in a dogfight sim of this type. We should all buy and wear camo green wristbands marked Combat Stalls (or just buy this game) so we can help progress the technology necessary to eradicate the status quo in simming today.


I started computer flying in the original Red Baron days . . . I've seen the progress and I know we can beat this thing.


Thankyou. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

III_JG_Dog
10-30-2005, 06:31 AM
same problems, to many stalls

VW-IceFire
10-30-2005, 06:38 AM
The guys having the real stall problems. Do you also note that if you push forward on the stick slightly the nose bounces up and down?

If so, you have the corrupted patch installation. So far the only solution is to use a backup of the root dirctory from 4.01 OR reinstall the game and download the patch from an alternate location and install it that way.

Joystick settings will do nothing to fix this.

If your stalls are happening all too frequently in 4.02, its because the controls are messed up. Reason is unknown but I had it and it was maddening.

If its previous patches then maybe its just piloting skill and technique...but if its 4.02 alone that you have problems with you have a bad install.

tagTaken2
10-30-2005, 06:22 PM
I would totally recommend a force feedback stick. Since I've had one- even my first, a wretched Logitech wingman http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif- stalls have become a non-issue.
Also check that your stick has even response across its range in the control panel. And re. Tully setting the highest number to 90 or less for pitch can also make a difference.

randomskytrash
10-30-2005, 07:54 PM
I'm not expect on this sort of stuff. I've certainly never flown so much as a kite irl.

But the thing I noticed about stalling was that it would happen when I spazzed out on the stick. Pull to hard and.. well.. splash..

Not sure about this getting out of a spin business. It's never happened for me. Been in several and not survived a one unless I bailed out.

My philosophy now is light touch on the stick at all times, no matter what.

AVGWarhawk
10-31-2005, 02:48 PM
Adjust you stick settings "in game" to this:
Yaw 40 40 40 40 40 46 50 65 70 80
pitch 40 40 40 40 45 50 80 85 90 95
Roll 40 40 40 40 45 50 80 85 90 95

You should have much less stall while inflight. I could not fly the P51 until I made these changes. If these seem to work out for you but you feel could be better, move each up and down in small imcrements.