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Matz0r
05-26-2007, 05:52 AM
I've got an old X-45 I'd like to rebuild into a throttle/trim quadrant. Anyone done this before? Tips, guides?

XyZspineZyX
05-26-2007, 06:39 AM
I recently took the joystick apart with the intention of making a console with a whole bunch of switches and buttons with it. I wanted to make rudders out of the pots for the axiis, but a computer store was closing near here and I found Saitek pedals for cheap so that fell by the wayside http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

How are your soldering skills? I ask because to remove the top part of the stick and pass it through the base I had to cut all the wires that came up through the stick portion.

Sokol__1
05-26-2007, 07:04 AM
F16 Matz

Look in forgotten thread "Sm Pit Builder/Stick Modder Thead" (Community Help), lots of idea an samples of modded X-45 in buttom/trim box:

Aka Triggerhappyfin X-36 box:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134/p/3

Sokol1

Matz0r
05-26-2007, 07:10 AM
Thanks for the tips Skunk and Sokol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I own a soldering iron and I guess I'm ok-ish with it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (At least I've managed to repair some electronic devices at home with it :P)

Been thinking about how to do it and here's what I've come up with:

- Remove the stick and save the buttons for switches. The stick pots I will use as rotaries.
- Move the circuit board from the throttle base and re-wire the game-port like connector in the throttle base (my guess is I can make room for the second CB by removing the stick axis gimbals).
- Move the three axis rotaries from the throttle unit to the stick base but leave the buttons.
- Make holes on the top of the stick unit to allow mounting rotaries/buttons on top.

Not sure if I will use any slider type rotaries or lever types as it's mechanically more complex, but I'll get some old-style switches that can be mounted on top.

Bearcat99
05-26-2007, 08:08 AM
Here is what I did with mine:
http://star.walagata.com/thumbs/bearcat_X-45mod.jpg (http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/X-45mod.jpg)

I tried to keep the top of the stick in tack because the parts are just so small...

One thing that helped me comlete this project with a minimum of hassles was my Dremel (http://www.dremel.com/NR/rdonlyres/AEEC37A1-3DF0-48D5-86B3-81B325F6EA54/0/gateway.jpg) tool. The X-45 is very well made so it wont be a cakewalk taking it apart.. just take your time... . I wound up getting a 15 pin m/f connector to connect the wires from the top of the stick to the board..... and I took that big plug that goes from the throttle to the stick and cut it to shorten it considerably.... I butt spliced the wires tiogether.. then I reconnected it.. it is actually in the base. Just take your time.. If you look you will see the X & Y pots.. one on the left side of the throttle and one in the center. So far I have had no issues with it and it has been this way for over a year.

XyZspineZyX
05-26-2007, 08:23 AM
Hey BC, do you have trouble with your throttle at all? Mine gets jittery sometimes, it wont transition smoothly. By that I mean that on the Il-2 screen I see the throttle often going back and forth 5-8% even though the throttle is physically not moving.

I suspect a bad pot. Thoughts?

triggerhappyfin
05-26-2007, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by Skunk241981:
Hey BC, do you have trouble with your throttle at all? Mine gets jittery sometimes, it wont transition smoothly. By that I mean that on the Il-2 screen I see the throttle often going back and forth 5-8% even though the throttle is physically not moving.

I suspect a bad pot. Thoughts?

It's more likely you got a broken lead. Go into controlpanel and watch the axis while you bend the lead between throttle and stick. Begin in the connector end, it´s prone to break some 5cm in front of the connector. If the break is there you can see the axis columns change
while you bend the lead.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/Triggerhappyfin/HPIM0559.jpg

I had this one going for a while ago. It ended up as a mockup. Mark 2 is on its way.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/Triggerhappyfin/47194888_3.jpg

Recently I bought these sticks, made of steel, rocksolid.

Next project is to make a throttlequadrant and mod one of these sticks. I´ll gut my x-45 and use the electronics in this project.

Bearcat99
05-26-2007, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Skunk241981:
Hey BC, do you have trouble with your throttle at all? Mine gets jittery sometimes, it wont transition smoothly. By that I mean that on the Il-2 screen I see the throttle often going back and forth 5-8% even though the throttle is physically not moving.

I suspect a bad pot. Thoughts?
Hasnt happened to me yet that I have noticed... but yeah I would suspect a loose connection on a wire of the throttle pot or the pot itself..

Matz0r
05-26-2007, 12:53 PM
Thanks for the pointers guys.

Those sticks looks like they could withstand nuclear war fin.... wish I was more handy with materials so I could build something like that.

Anyway, I've broken apart my throttle unit now. Wasn't much trouble. I need to cut all the wires going through the center axis to get the buttons and pots out. The "rocker" mechanism looked really interesting, thinking about keeping it as a slider.

X32Wright
05-26-2007, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Skunk241981:
Hey BC, do you have trouble with your throttle at all? Mine gets jittery sometimes, it wont transition smoothly. By that I mean that on the Il-2 screen I see the throttle often going back and forth 5-8% even though the throttle is physically not moving.

I suspect a bad pot. Thoughts?

I opened my X-45 throttle since I had this problem. I found out that the lubrication on the warpped RUBBER mat has dried out so I placed some vaseline there and it worked. I also did yes adjust the potentiometer a bit. It is very easy to replaced. The rubber mat inside has slats you see for past WEP (100% slat) and for idle (10% slat) and if it is not well lubricated, it does not move the potentiomer as smoothly so it jerks the voltage.

This problem happens because the rubber does not slide as good as before so you get a slight JUMP when you throttle up to 100% or near it. Sometimes mine would drop back to Zero too after 100% throttle.

F19_Orheim
05-26-2007, 05:37 PM
U can ask me on TS next time mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bearcat99
05-26-2007, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by X32Wright:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skunk241981:
Hey BC, do you have trouble with your throttle at all? Mine gets jittery sometimes, it wont transition smoothly. By that I mean that on the Il-2 screen I see the throttle often going back and forth 5-8% even though the throttle is physically not moving.

I suspect a bad pot. Thoughts?

I opened my X-45 throttle since I had this problem. I found out that the lubrication on the warpped RUBBER mat has dried out so I placed some vaseline there and it worked. I also did yes adjust the potentiometer a bit. It is very easy to replaced. The rubber mat inside has slats you see for past WEP (100% slat) and for idle (10% slat) and if it is not well lubricated, it does not move the potentiomer as smoothly so it jerks the voltage.

This problem happens because the rubber does not slide as good as before so you get a slight JUMP when you throttle up to 100% or near it. Sometimes mine would drop back to Zero too after 100% throttle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Keep in mind that vaseline is a petroleum product which will break down plastics..