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Vuco1
09-19-2005, 01:27 AM
Question is simple: what is currently the best civilian simulation (the most realistic, where you struggle to keep it in the air all the time, and no "Press E to start the engine" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )
M$ FS 2004 comes to mind, but I thought of asking u guys.
Btw: what is whit FS 2006?

Cajun76
09-19-2005, 03:24 AM
Check out X-Plane, it's not for novice's. FS is aw'ight, but if you want in depth FM, X-Plane is the way to go, imho. However, "where you struggle to keep it in the air all the time" is not how most planes handle IRL. Difficult doesn't always translate to realistic. Many civilian a/c are pretty easy to handle in normal conditions.

Vuco1
09-19-2005, 11:37 AM
A chance to fly a Space shuttle, and to fly on mars?!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif No really, that is too much. I simply want a simulator which offers me a chance to fly some of the more life-like situations, in planes that I even might get to fly in real life. So I think I'm going for the F$ 04.
Too bad there are no news on the new version so I might end up buying an outdated product.

Bearcat99
09-19-2005, 04:21 PM
FS04 from what I hear.. the 3rd party support is off the hook.

Bernoulli
09-19-2005, 04:47 PM
You decided against X-Plane because of the fact that you have more options about where you fly? Weird.

You'll have fun with either, but be careful. . . you still have a lot of choices in FS2004, but lucky for you, not quite as many as in X-Plane.

PBNA-Boosher
09-19-2005, 04:56 PM
FS2004's physics suck. Trust me. Go with X-plane.

When you spin an aircraft in FS2004, the wings somehow become rotors and the plane can hang there, or even move upward.

If that's how the FS community is treating "realism," then they need to take up the real thing and see what they're missing.

LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2005, 05:18 PM
I will NOT buy any Microsoft products, other than the basic WindowsXP. I am sure MS will buy somebody's flight sim and integrate a flight sim into a version of Windows For Simmers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Go XPlane instead.

p1ngu666
09-19-2005, 06:02 PM
my dads got tons of free stuff for fs2004

fs2004 isnt that good tho, tbh

Vuco1
09-20-2005, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by Bernoulli:
You decided against X-Plane because of the fact that you have more options about where you fly? Weird.

You'll have fun with either, but be careful. . . you still have a lot of choices in FS2004, but lucky for you, not quite as many as in X-Plane.

I decided for the F$ couse whit the x-plane I would find my self spending a lot of time mindless things, like "how long can cesna fly on mars?", "can i land a 747 on carrier?" and so on.

Vuco1
09-20-2005, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
FS2004's physics suck. Trust me. Go with X-plane.

When you spin an aircraft in FS2004, the wings somehow become rotors and the plane can hang there, or even move upward.

If that's how the FS community is treating "realism," then they need to take up the real thing and see what they're missing.

I knew that its physics are not the best in the world, if that is the case, x-plane by every minute becomes more interesting.
I have to think on this a bit more and check some more pages, 50$ is not a small amount of money in any case.

GAU-8
09-20-2005, 01:48 AM
if its basic flying, MSFS2004 is not BAD. it does get wonky FMs though, if you put stess on the aircraft. but its not a bad sim. consideri it the "every mans" general aviation stepping stone on the world of sims.

krmichal
09-20-2005, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by Vuco1:

"how long can cesna fly on mars?"


It can't at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I guess it wouldn't even get airborne.

But this is only an option. You don't have to fly on Mars. Just pick an earth airport and fly. X-Plane is normal Earth-flying simulation with Mars-flying as additional possibility, which you don't have to try if you don't like.

krmichal
09-20-2005, 02:03 AM
BTW. X-Plane is $39 now, not $50 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GH_Klingstroem
09-20-2005, 03:54 AM
Im a commercial pilot in real life and must tell you how surprised I am about the realism in FS 2004. I dont really care about the stall physics since I very seldom stall my aircraft with passengers onboard http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. I know what they mean tho, the physics are a bit screwed up as in most MS sims.. FS 2004 is very close to reality when it comes to IFR navigation, ILS approaches and upper and lower airways. Most beacons in the world are there even with correct morse codes!! NDBs VORs and most compulsiary reporting points as well. I find i amazing! It falls short when it comes to radio procedures within airspaces tho. Not close to reality even tho almost all frequencies are correct for all airports in the world!! Anyhow, I havent relly tried X planes. Just heaed about it. Sounded more like a fantasy thing to me... I would go for FS 2004! good luck!

krmichal
09-20-2005, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by GH_Klingstroem:
Sounded more like a fantasy thing to me...

I can assure you, that most of what you wrote about accurate navaids, frequencies and airports applies to X-Plane as well. There's no fantasy at all. You can use x-plane for online flying in vatsim, too.

Aaron_GT
09-20-2005, 11:04 AM
FS2004 generally has

* Nicer graphics
* More support in terms of planes etc available to download.
* A better user interface
* Better real time weather.

X-Plane
* Is FAA certified
* Has been used by companies to check handling
of aircraft prior to construction
* Has a rather basic GUI

TX-EcoDragon
09-20-2005, 12:10 PM
Good breakdown Arron_GT
X-Plane at 39.00 is hard to beat from and FM perspective though! I have all of them, and use most for their various strong points. If you are more interested in a decent sim that has nice out the window details of the entire planet and tons of nice looking freeware models, get FS2004, if you are more interested in atmospheric behavior and effects on aircraft, flight models, VTOL/helicopters, and higher fidelity instrumentation, then get X-Plane. I wouldn't want to live without them both, there are some very good add-ons for FS2004 that give it a pretty good FM, though spins are pretty silly even in those, though they are far from accurate in X-Plane, or any sim really. For online flying I usually use FS2004 since it has more accurate navaid, airport, taxiway, and topographical details all over the world, this helps prevent some little issues like when flying on VATSIM.NET the controllers wont ask me why I€m taxiing in the dirt. :-D

Aaron_GT
09-20-2005, 03:17 PM
If you are more interested in a decent sim that has nice out the window details of the entire planet

The rain and cold weather visual effects for FS2004 are really quite atmospheric (no pun intended!). I can't seem to get the same immersive feel for weather in X-Plane. FS2004 bad weather is more immersive than IL2. And this is without the add ons that improve the weather textures. It's nice to be able to fire up FS2004, pick a plane, the local airstrip and the current weather and take it up for a flight. I haven't found an easy way to do that in X-Plane yet.

Vuco1
09-20-2005, 03:20 PM
I just ordered X-plane.
May God have mercy on your souls if I find it disliking! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

TX-EcoDragon
09-20-2005, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you are more interested in a decent sim that has nice out the window details of the entire planet

The rain and cold weather visual effects for FS2004 are really quite atmospheric (no pun intended!). I can't seem to get the same immersive feel for weather in X-Plane. FS2004 bad weather is more immersive than IL2. And this is without the add ons that improve the weather textures. It's nice to be able to fire up FS2004, pick a plane, the local airstrip and the current weather and take it up for a flight. I haven't found an easy way to do that in X-Plane yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The blowing snow is better in X-Plane, but otherwise I'd totally agree if we are talking about visual effects. . . I meant the way in which things like icing, windshear, and thunderstorms effect the aircraft, in that department it's X-Plane all the way!

Loco-S
09-20-2005, 10:19 PM
have you given a look to http://www.flightgear.org/ has the same engine as X plane, plus its free...( as in free beer)...I use it once in a while, and you can download the whole world in topographic database....quite good for practicing ILS's......or just going cross country from Alaska to Ushuaia.. http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery/Small/SFO-3.jpg
http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery/Small/Citation-II-3d-panel.jpg

and for the approach plates you can download them for free here ( official NACO, FAA approved plates:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp

msalama
09-20-2005, 10:26 PM
...and see what they're missing.

Spot on Boosher!

But each to their own, of course, and things like navaids, weather etc. _are_ superbly modelled in FS2004. But the physics, as you already said, are downright weird in places...

BaldieJr
09-20-2005, 11:18 PM
Ms is big and that makes them an easy target. Thats a shame because they get beaten up even when they do well.

I like fs a lot. I don't play it as often as FB, but I'm very much satisfied with it. I have no regrets about buying it, or any addons.

X-plane: dunno. There is something about it that doesn't draw my wallet out, if you know what I mean.

krmichal
09-21-2005, 01:56 AM
Don't get me wrong. I wasn't blaming FS2004. I didn't say it is bad simulator. I was just "defending" x-plane, because some people (who probably didn't even see it with their own eyes) describe it as unrealistic cr*p...

Aaron_GT
09-21-2005, 08:43 AM
have you given a look to http://www.flightgear.org/ has the same engine as X plane,

Entirely different engines.

Bearcat99
09-21-2005, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Vuco1:
I just ordered X-plane.
May God have mercy on your souls if I find it disliking! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Just make sure you deluge it's developer with all your gripes and complaints in long, rambling chart filled, diagram riddled posts on their forum... over and Over and OveR and OVER AND OVER.... uhhh... geeze sorry guys.. I kinda lost it there... mod sickness...

SkyChimp
09-21-2005, 05:39 PM
I hated CFS3. But FS 2004 is maybe the best sim ever.

Brass_Monkey
09-21-2005, 05:55 PM
Amen Chimp! and if you add http://www.fsnavigator.com/ you've got one entertaning flight sim.

BaldieJr
09-21-2005, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Brass_Monkey:
Amen Chimp! and if you add http://www.fsnavigator.com/ you've got one entertaning flight sim.

Hey neat. Thanks.

rnzoli
09-22-2005, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">have you given a look to http://www.flightgear.org/ has the same engine as X plane,

Entirely different engines. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, FlightGear has an engine you like... because it is open-source.

But they are not entirely civilian anymore, since they work on guns and tracers for some aircraft (no collision code however).

The community also works on a dedicated server...whatever that means... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

LeadSpitter_
09-22-2005, 03:31 PM
ms fs9 is the best graphically and has the most free content addon meshes scenery aircraft etc, xplane 8 has the best physics, while not looking as good as ms9 its close it also has a large freeware community of planes. Its definatly worth checking out if you enjoy flightsims with outstanding full world terrain.

There is also a soaring simulator which has great physics similiar to xplane8.

Hope that helps.

ploughman
09-22-2005, 03:34 PM
You mean there's something better than PF/AEP 4.01m out there? I only have so many flight coupons, please tell me I have invested in the right (combat) airline?

mike_espo
10-05-2005, 01:59 PM
You guys are forgetting one very important point that X-plane has over FS2004:

In X-plane, one can have system or instrument failure! Awesome!

This feature alone makes it superior to FS2004! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif