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M2morris
07-30-2010, 04:27 PM
Wow. And all I have to do is hit the 'I' key, start up and go. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.acepilots.com/planes/f4u_corsair.html

R_Target
07-30-2010, 05:32 PM
Good stuff, but the context is misleading. The period that Blackburn is referring to is their stateside training when they were working out the Corsair bugs with Vought representatives, and not their combat deployment.

Still, F4U maintenance was a headache, and it never approached the high serviceability rate of the F6F, even under the same conditions.

AndyJWest
07-30-2010, 05:32 PM
The landing flaps had a protective device to prevent extension at airspeeds high enough to cause overstressing. This was a dandy feature except that the flaps could and often did retract fully and without warning during the final stages of a landing approach. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

... as if there wasn't enough to worry about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

An interesting excerpt.

M2morris
07-30-2010, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by AndyJWest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The landing flaps had a protective device to prevent extension at airspeeds high enough to cause overstressing. This was a dandy feature except that the flaps could and often did retract fully and without warning during the final stages of a landing approach. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

... as if there wasn't enough to worry about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

An interesting excerpt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes exactly. My reaction as well. I would yank the cable on that gadget. Good way to do a face plant into the fence, or the edge of the deck.

Ba5tard5word
07-31-2010, 12:50 AM
Brings new meaning to the word "scramble."

horseback
08-03-2010, 08:10 AM
One other thing you have to consider when reading Blackburn's words is that he was preparing his squadron for a carrier deployment. The big nose, higher landing speed and the bounce were far more critical in a carrier landing than it would be on a regular airfield.

He states later in the book that VF-17 solved all of those problems to his satisfaction before he got word that the Navy had changed its mind and decided to assign the Corsair squadrons to land bases in the Solomons and put Hellcat squadrons on the carriers.

Blackburn seemed to think that it was more a matter of Grumman already having a better logistics chain to the carriers than Vought could promise rather than the issues of carrier landing problems. BuAer may have had a different opinion, though. The Hellcat was universally considered an exceptionally easy plane to fly and land to go along with its reliability.

cheers

horseback

JuHa-
08-03-2010, 12:23 PM
Please somebody clarify this to me, mr. Blackburn commented pretty heavily on the start-up procedure of the engine. But didn't the F6F Hellcat share the same powerplant?

Did the starters differ dramatically?

Otherwise I'd see the Hellcat also suffering from the start-ups.

R_Target
08-03-2010, 01:32 PM
Same engine. R-2800-10 (Hellcat) and R-2800-8 (Corsair) are identical except one uses an updraft and one uses a downdraft model of the same carb. Which is which I can't remember ATM.

JtD
08-04-2010, 09:03 AM
F4U updraft, F6F downdraft carburetion.

PhantomKira
08-04-2010, 03:20 PM
Intersting that the F4U used the shotgun shell starter. I thought that was "old" technology, relatively speaking. They had those things on F4Fs.

berg417448
08-04-2010, 04:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9fkmqPHTDE

crucislancer
08-05-2010, 09:29 PM
I read his book a couple of years ago, it has a lot of interesting details, highly recommended.

WTE_Galway
08-05-2010, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by PhantomKira:
Intersting that the F4U used the shotgun shell starter. I thought that was "old" technology, relatively speaking. They had those things on F4Fs.

Well it was, you know, 70 years ago, and more to the point if it worked why change it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for "old" technology, remember that the early 109's such as the Emil used an inertia starter that the crew needed to wind up with a hand crank ...

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The B17 radials (Pratt and Whitney not Wright) also used an inertia starter, but at least the B17 wound the flywheel up to speed with an electric motor powered by an external supply:

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EDIT:

Good shot of ground crew hand cranking inertia starter on a Blenhiem at 1.03 here:

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Reschke
08-10-2010, 08:42 AM
Don't take that stuff out of context. It was meant for a REAL aircraft and not a simulated one.