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bobbysingh99
02-07-2010, 07:41 PM
So yeah I googled Bonfire of the Vanities and found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonfire_of_the_Vanities

Now I actually thaught the idea of the second DLC was a bit silly, but im very shocked that it was a real event that happened in venice during the reinassance!

Not only that, but the main villain of bonfire of the vanities was a real person aswell:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Savonarola

so is the Medici family:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medici

and even the main villain of AC2 is real, he was even a currupt pope in real life!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Borgia

So yeah Wikipedia users playing pranks on us AC players or are Ubisoft just that amazing at tieing things together?

SPOILER FOR SECOND DLC:

Ive even heard the Medici dude dies in the second DLC and on wikipedia it says that savanorola took over florence when the medicis lost theyre influence.

so yeah Ubisoft really do seem to be the masters of interlinking loads of consiracy theorys/ sci fi and good old history together!

drfeelgood8849
02-07-2010, 07:51 PM
Have you never taken a history class? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

the amolang
02-07-2010, 08:29 PM
of course. nearly all the characters you meet are real people. thats the whole idea of AC. it tries to be as historically correct as possible...

UchihaKarasu
02-07-2010, 09:51 PM
Guys, restrain me before my inner historian turns this thread into an online History Lesson.

bobbysingh99
02-08-2010, 04:00 AM
Originally posted by drfeelgood8849:
Have you never taken a history class? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Well yeah I had 7 years of them, the thing is we didnt learn the names of families and leaders in Florence, the names of all the popes or anything of the sort. Are you saying that instead of learning about the world wars/ the slave trade and so on that these little details about Florence are more important?

Damn you had some irrelevant history lessons dude http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway Im totally shocked these are real people the way people here are stating it as matter of fact makes me laugh, do you realise how hard it must have been for the scriptwriters to put all this stuff together and stay so true to theyre original characters.

drfeelgood8849
02-08-2010, 04:10 AM
Some people actually pay attention in class, not just to what the study guide sums up about the era.

cgdemon894
02-08-2010, 04:20 AM
Originally posted by bobbysingh99:
Are you saying that instead of learning about the world wars/ the slave trade and so on that these little details about Florence are more important?


Sure why learn little details like this, the Medici only revolutionized the banking system so who cares? Rodrigo Borgia is some unknown Pope right? Nah! He's only the most notorious Pope in history how can he be relevant? Oh No! Not Savonarola, he's only the person that almost single-handedly destroyed Florentine culture! Niccolo Machiavelli...who the hell is he!?!?! Oh wait he wrote the Art of War...wait, I learned in History Class that the book was an influence over Benito Mussolinno, I'm sure you've heard of him from all the classes you do! Oh...Don't get me started on Leonardo Da Vinci.... (This is why hours and hours of Discovery Channel and National Geographic pay off, ALSO HISTORY CLASS IF YOU EVER PAID ATTENTION!

Assassin_M
02-08-2010, 04:23 AM
dude you should`nt only count on what you study in class u have to know more general information i mean savonarola and the Medici and even THE BONFIRE OF THE VANITIES !!!!!! come on these things are primary i guess the only person u thought was real was Leonardo Da vinci... i hope
also for your Information the pazzi conspiracy is a real event in which the pazzi family conspired agaisnt the medici family to overthrow them with a bit of change Game-wise francisco was dragged from his plazzo and hanged from the signoria jacoppo was dragged naked in the streets and hanged also bernando was hanged also aswell as maffei. also marco barbarigo was a real person he served as doge of venice from 1485 till 1486 also the doge before him giovanni mocenigo served from 1478 till 1485 which is also preset in the game and serving after marco is his brother agostino barbarigo from 1486 till 1501 another person is Bartolameo d alviano he is a real person too .... wait do i sound like a nerd ?

drfeelgood8849
02-08-2010, 04:30 AM
Wow you guys were a lot harsher than I was. Haha.

cgdemon894
02-08-2010, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by drfeelgood8849:
Wow you guys were a lot harsher than I was. Haha.

It's the ignorance man...the ignorance.

Abeonis
02-08-2010, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by zabrak94:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drfeelgood8849:
Wow you guys were a lot harsher than I was. Haha.

It's the ignorance man...the ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not ignorance, it people getting big headed because they knew something the OP did not. I didn't know about Borgia before I did some background checking once he was mentioned to be in-game, I only knew a vague bit about BotV and the Medicis, you all going to insult me now?

Do us all a favour please, stop being so vainglorious, stop shouting zabrak94, and actually do something to assist the OP, suggest background material or whatever that he can read.

Sheesh.

cgdemon894
02-08-2010, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by Abeonis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zabrak94:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drfeelgood8849:
Wow you guys were a lot harsher than I was. Haha.

It's the ignorance man...the ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not ignorance, it people getting big headed because they knew something the OP did not. I didn't know about Borgia before I did some background checking once he was mentioned to be in-game, I only knew a vague bit about BotV and the Medicis, you all going to insult me now?

Do us all a favour please, stop being so vainglorious, stop shouting zabrak94, and actually do something to assist the OP, suggest background material or whatever that he can read.

Sheesh. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The ignorance is the fact that he counts on class to learn about general information, the very fact that he also never knew that these were not real people has me in awe, the fact that he also told someone here that he had a weak history class makes me angry as he thinks that you only learn this stuff in class. Oh and I'm sorry for you and anyone out there that are offended by this since it's my thoughts and viewpoint that you people are angry about. I'm angry at this person here for his ignorant opinions and you are angry at me for this rant. I really do not care about your opinion as that is your belief so do what you do and i'll do what i'm doing which is finishing this essay paper instead of trying to resist utter temptation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

drfeelgood8849
02-08-2010, 04:49 AM
This is getting out of hand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif BT where are ya when I need you?

drfeelgood8849
02-08-2010, 04:54 AM
Really? Zabrak94 now you're just being immature. Ragging on someone for not knowing a few things is one thing but spamming isn't tolerated here.

Edit: Deleting your posts doesn't help you by the way.

cgdemon894
02-08-2010, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by drfeelgood8849:
Really? Zabrak94 now you're just being immature. Ragging on someone for not knowing a few things is one thing but spamming isn't tolerated here.

Edit: Deleting your posts doesn't help you by the way.

i was pressing the quote button the whole time i was getting into fits of anger....silly me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif well no-one knows this but you and me now so i will have to assassinate you from this existence...see you later... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Blackglasswar
02-08-2010, 06:38 AM
in 1489... between sequence 11/12/13 Cyprus fell to Venice. How very nicely that ties in with the game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

mojsarn
02-08-2010, 07:19 AM
Zabrak, are you kidding me? Of course there are people not knowing who these people was, myself included.

Different countries have different history teaching values and you cannot expect someone not coming from Italy to know these people from school only, (not saying that you are from Italy).

I could tell you another just as an imortant event in history from another countrys perspective and then tell you that you are an idiot for not knowing the details.

BK-110
02-08-2010, 08:32 AM
I, too, found out that these people were real people through playing the game and doing some research. I never heard of the Medici, the Pazzi, the Barbarigo, Borgia and pretty much all the others before playing ACII.
Hell, history lessons throughout my school time went like this: From the stoneage to the Egyptians, skipping to the middelages, a bit about Louis XIV, skipping to World War I continue on to World War II and done. That's all the history I learned in 9 years of history lessons. We never even touched the Italian Renaissance.

NeonXXV
02-08-2010, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by Abeonis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zabrak94:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drfeelgood8849:
Wow you guys were a lot harsher than I was. Haha.

It's the ignorance man...the ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not ignorance, it people getting big headed because they knew something the OP did not. I didn't know about Borgia before I did some background checking once he was mentioned to be in-game, I only knew a vague bit about BotV and the Medicis, you all going to insult me now?

Do us all a favour please, stop being so vainglorious, stop shouting zabrak94, and actually do something to assist the OP, suggest background material or whatever that he can read.

Sheesh. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

QFT. If it wasn't for AC2 90% wouldn't even know about the Bonfire of Vanities, I'm sure. Besides, do you know who Jakub ?winka was? Or Henryk Kietlicz? Well, for Polish students it IS primary, yet you probably don't know who these people are, geez.

Blackglasswar
02-08-2010, 08:45 AM
And in the UK we celebrate the failings of a terrorist every year... thats right... every year we all stand out in a field and shoot fireworks in the air and burn effigies of him. Guy Fawkes anyone? History is written by the victors and is so one sided. What is relevant to one person is not to another. Nations have different histories.

BTOG46
02-08-2010, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by zabrak94:
i was pressing the quote button the whole time i was getting into fits of anger....silly me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif well no-one knows this but you and me now so i will have to assassinate you from this existence...see you later... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Wrong there, I know, I have the post you deleted on my monitor screen as I type this, and quote trees are not popular with moderators. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

If you're going to criticise the historical knowledge of others, please do so in a reasonable manner, and remember, different countries have varying ideas about what is considered important for pupils to learn, don't assume that because you learned a particular section of history, everyone else learned about it.

And now, let's continue this thread without any more spamming or abuse from anyone.

caswallawn_2k7
02-08-2010, 09:35 AM
And in the UK we celebrate the failings of a terrorist every year
if only he had managed then we might of been better off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

as for history it is a pointless subject anyway (chose not to do it when given the choice of subjects) if you spend all your time looking back your never going to move forwards.

get over it already if history was a meaningful subject they would force you to do it and it wouldn't be done to make things look better than they are and try to given good reason for terrible events that should of never happened and had no reason or point.

PWNcracker
02-08-2010, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And in the UK we celebrate the failings of a terrorist every year
if only he had managed then we might of been better off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

as for history it is a pointless subject anyway (chose not to do it when given the choice of subjects) if you spend all your time looking back your never going to move forwards.

get over it already if history was a meaningful subject they would force you to do it and it wouldn't be done to make things look better than they are and try to given good reason for terrible events that should of never happened and had no reason or point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." History is just as vital for our future as the most advanced of sciences... or at least, i think it is.

Back onto topic; I think it's a really good concept to have actual historical figures within a game, really connects it all together and makes it much more believable and to me altogether enjoyable.

nitres15
02-08-2010, 01:20 PM
im not good at history why i live in sweden and they just want u to know about swedish kings boring as hell http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

TheEpicWolf
02-08-2010, 01:29 PM
The only thing about having Leo in the game is i now wish Ezio was real and then we may know loads of awesome stuff XD. I can dream can't i? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

CEO_of_Abstergo
02-08-2010, 02:06 PM
Yes, yes, yes. Beware, gushy AC fanboy junk coming...

There are 3 reasons the AC series truly stands apart from most video games:
1) Historically accurate settings.
2) Scientifically relevant science-fiction.
3) A REAL story with mutli-level plot reveals.

The good thing here that most video games cannot claim - many of you are learning about things that happend in 1400's Italy (and other info) that you may not have learned about if you were not playing a video game! And those who already were familiar with the history get an even more fulfilling amusement out of the fiction.

Same with the science. The Animus is based on the notion that memories reside in DNA. Go look up "cellular memory" hypotheses. And same with the plotline - there are many secondary literature and "conspiracy theory" books and such out there that echo what AC plotlines on Templars/Masons, the Church, Origin of Man, etc.

You SHOULD go look up everything you wonder about when you saw it in the game. It makes you enjoy the game more, and it makes you in general - smarter! Not all video games can do this.

AMuppetMatt
02-08-2010, 02:18 PM
Going back to the harsh aggression shown by those towards people who didn't know about the Bonfire of the Vanites... if it's any consolation here in England we never once did a history lesson on anyone or anything in Italy... minus a very very brief summary of the Romans, and even then it only glossed over it. So, ya know, we can't all have good history lessons... :/

bladencrowd
02-08-2010, 02:28 PM
OMG, chck th1s 0ut!!1!one!. Leonardo is actually REAL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci

Hurri211
02-08-2010, 02:29 PM
People should read more Horrible Histories! I knew about the Medici, Machievelli , Borgia etc before I was 11! So it does suprise me slighlty that people don't know about them

P.S. Horrible Histories was a children's magazine in the UK for those who don't know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Captain Tomatoz
02-08-2010, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Hurri211:
P.S. Horrible Histories was a children's magazine in the UK for those who don't know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm sure it began as books and then were made into magazines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Blackglasswar
02-08-2010, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Tony6593:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hurri211:
P.S. Horrible Histories was a children's magazine in the UK for those who don't know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm sure it began as books and then were made into magazines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remember the books - they were just coming out as I left school... back then they were crap but now... retrospective is a great thing

caswallawn_2k7
02-08-2010, 03:27 PM
yeah I read a couple of the books way back, normally on stuff I needed for school tho. (was early 90's for the books if I remember right)

cgdemon894
02-08-2010, 04:02 PM
okay i'm back...wow all these posts. Okay... get things straight... I am from Canada (Philippine Descent, I am in Catholic High School which is an Arts School. I knew the Medicis, Borgias, and the Bonfire for History Class Grade 9. Canada....

caswallawn_2k7
02-08-2010, 04:08 PM
the school being catholic could be the reasoning behind you being taught, as following history going on around the pope leading into Italian history would be much more likely.

AgentValentine
02-08-2010, 04:56 PM
LOL I just can't believe anyone didn't know about Lorenzo Il Magnifico...

I'm from Kentucky, USA and I learned about him, in public school, at the ripe old age of 9.

cgdemon894
02-08-2010, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by AgentValentine:
LOL I just can't believe anyone didn't know about Lorenzo Il Magnifico...

I'm from Kentucky, USA and I learned about him, in public school, at the ripe old age of 9.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

bobbysingh99
02-08-2010, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Abeonis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zabrak94:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drfeelgood8849:
Wow you guys were a lot harsher than I was. Haha.

It's the ignorance man...the ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not ignorance, it people getting big headed because they knew something the OP did not. I didn't know about Borgia before I did some background checking once he was mentioned to be in-game, I only knew a vague bit about BotV and the Medicis, you all going to insult me now?

Do us all a favour please, stop being so vainglorious, stop shouting zabrak94, and actually do something to assist the OP, suggest background material or whatever that he can read.

Sheesh. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, and thanks for all the other people that didnt come out with sarcastic jibes, im not a avid reader of history and my high school lessons didnt cover that aspect of Italy at all, the medici's revolutionising banking is pretty interesting but I learnt about different stuff, which was also interesting. Sure Leanardo Da Vinci is a big name and everyones heard of him, but Borgia or Savarolona are pretty obscure, just like html is something everyones heard of but wombat programming wont be.

As for the fact people are having a go at me for not reading up on history or watching the discovery channel, get over yourselves ive done the equivelant of that for topics that are more relevant to me, im just not interested in History, just like your probably ignorant about programming, or ignorant about Geography etc etc carry on hating me for ignorant im glad you dislike me, your a pretty ignorant person yourself if you expect people to know everything about everything just in case a discussion will come up.

So yeah enjoy your one upping on these forums, outside of these forums I havent talked to ANYONE about the bonfires of the vanities and probably never will outside the context of talking about a video game. So yeah enjoy feeling smart on the internet, your awesome!

But I am a video game fan and I did find it cool that the stuff is real, and im really amazed that Ubisoft managed to twist all the things together into such a coherent story, and thats what I came here to discuss, with more mature people of course.

BTOG46
02-08-2010, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by AgentValentine:
I'm from Kentucky, USA and I learned about him, in public school, at the ripe old age of 9.

At that age, in my school, they were teaching us about England during that period, along with ancient Greece, Rome and Egypt.

But I did learn about Florence and the Medici's from other sources....

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6725/swordfreedomcomic.jpg

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> now even the newcomers here will know how old I am </pre> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

godsmack_darius
02-08-2010, 05:45 PM
Your not old BTOG http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Your just wise http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



Wise = Old

AgentValentine
02-08-2010, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by BTOG46:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AgentValentine:
I'm from Kentucky, USA and I learned about him, in public school, at the ripe old age of 9.

At that age, in my school, they were teaching us about England during that period, along with ancient Greece, Rome and Egypt.

But I did learn about Florence and the Medici's from other sources....



<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> now even the newcomers here will know how old I am </pre> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

=p No worries. It just seems strange that someone wouldn't have even HEARD the name.

It's like, NEWSFLASH! Machiavelli really -did- write The Prince!

mantledarcanum
02-09-2010, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
Guys, restrain me before my inner historian turns this thread into an online History Lesson.

Do it! The historical aspect to this whole game is entirely fascinating!

obliviondoll
02-10-2010, 12:05 AM
And you didn't notice the historical figures and events in the first game? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_crusade)

SteelCity999
02-10-2010, 12:34 AM
Well to make it even more amusing...it seems that Borgia had a son named Ceasare who actually employed Da Vinci to head up his military as chief engineer. So Da Vinci actually helped the guys out in real life that Ezio is trying to kill. So in Episodes we should see something like this...

Ezio....: Layonardooo...what have you been dooing. You realize my childhood friend I must kill you with da blade you made for me back awhile......"

Leonardo......"How exciting!"

SWJS
02-10-2010, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by SteelCity999:
Well to make it even more amusing...it seems that Borgia had a son named Ceasare who actually employed Da Vinci to head up his military as chief engineer. So Da Vinci actually helped the guys out in real life that Ezio is trying to kill. So in Episodes we should see something like this...

Ezio....: Layonardooo...what have you been dooing. You realize my childhood friend I must kill you with da blade you made for me back awhile......"

Leonardo......"How exciting!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Actually, when Leonardo walks up to Ezio in Venice and Ezio says "When did you get back?!", that is when Leonardo returns from serving the Borgias. He was probably forced to do it though.

Borgia: You will work for us, or die!

Leonardo: ...How exciting!

CEO_of_Abstergo
02-10-2010, 02:43 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Hilarious. Maybe the 'secret military invention' Borgia contracted him to do was a just an oil painting of him... Borgia was so fat, ugly, and emasculated that Leo painted a portrait of him that would later come to be known as "The Mona Lisa". Ha ha.

"Leonardo, you will paint my pretty face or die!"
"Hmmm, ok. Maybe you will become pope! How Exciting!"