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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:53 PM
Although I've very rarely posted here before, I feel the need to chip in with a comment now. Why is it some people feel the need to constantly complain, whine, whinge and generally moan about everything? Since the release of FB the amount of complaining has increased incredibly. Within ten minutes of the patch being completed there were multiple threads complaining about it. If you've got a gripe - be constructive. Send the devs an e-mail detailing the problem. At the very least take five minutes to read other posts and keep the comments confined to the one thread. And if you are polite and eloquent in your complaint, I'm pretty sure they'll reply and the community will get an official response. Both the IL-2:FB and LO:MAC communities seem to enjoy this constant moan-fest, complain about everything and make a lot of people's lives a misery. So what if a patch gets delayed. So what if a demo doesn't get released. If it is delayed there is a good reason - the devs need to work the bugs out. And if it gets released hastily still containing bugs, as appears to be the case here - well we can all point our fingers knowingly at the whiner brigade.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:53 PM
Although I've very rarely posted here before, I feel the need to chip in with a comment now. Why is it some people feel the need to constantly complain, whine, whinge and generally moan about everything? Since the release of FB the amount of complaining has increased incredibly. Within ten minutes of the patch being completed there were multiple threads complaining about it. If you've got a gripe - be constructive. Send the devs an e-mail detailing the problem. At the very least take five minutes to read other posts and keep the comments confined to the one thread. And if you are polite and eloquent in your complaint, I'm pretty sure they'll reply and the community will get an official response. Both the IL-2:FB and LO:MAC communities seem to enjoy this constant moan-fest, complain about everything and make a lot of people's lives a misery. So what if a patch gets delayed. So what if a demo doesn't get released. If it is delayed there is a good reason - the devs need to work the bugs out. And if it gets released hastily still containing bugs, as appears to be the case here - well we can all point our fingers knowingly at the whiner brigade.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:01 PM
Chris_Halpin wrote:
- Although I've very rarely posted here before, I feel
- the need to chip in with a comment now. Why is it
- some people feel the need to constantly complain,
- whine, whinge and generally moan about everything?
- Since the release of FB the amount of complaining
- has increased incredibly. Within ten minutes of the
- patch being completed there were multiple threads
- complaining about it. If you've got a gripe - be
- constructive. Send the devs an e-mail detailing the
- problem. At the very least take five minutes to read
- other posts and keep the comments confined to the
- one thread. And if you are polite and eloquent in
- your complaint, I'm pretty sure they'll reply and
- the community will get an official response. Both
- the IL-2:FB and LO:MAC communities seem to enjoy
- this constant moan-fest, complain about everything
- and make a lot of people's lives a misery. So what
- if a patch gets delayed. So what if a demo doesn't
- get released. If it is delayed there is a good
- reason - the devs need to work the bugs out. And if
- it gets released hastily still containing bugs, as
- appears to be the case here - well we can all point
- our fingers knowingly at the whiner brigade.

Ok, I just spent 3 minutes reading you.
Now try to take off with a Bf.109K-4.
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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:04 PM
Chris_Halpin wrote:
- Although I've very rarely posted here before, I feel
- the need to chip in with a comment now. Why is it
- some people feel the need to constantly complain,
- whine, whinge and generally moan about everything?
- Since the release of FB the amount of complaining
- has increased incredibly. Within ten minutes of the
- patch being completed there were multiple threads
- complaining about it. If you've got a gripe - be
- constructive. Send the devs an e-mail detailing the
- problem. At the very least take five minutes to read
- other posts and keep the comments confined to the
- one thread. And if you are polite and eloquent in
- your complaint, I'm pretty sure they'll reply and
- the community will get an official response. Both
- the IL-2:FB and LO:MAC communities seem to enjoy
- this constant moan-fest, complain about everything
- and make a lot of people's lives a misery. So what
- if a patch gets delayed. So what if a demo doesn't
- get released. If it is delayed there is a good
- reason - the devs need to work the bugs out. And if
- it gets released hastily still containing bugs, as
- appears to be the case here - well we can all point
- our fingers knowingly at the whiner brigade.


I completely,and totally agree. Is the game perfect?No. But c'mon folks get a life! The patch is fine. The only major problem is the K4. Quit yer whinin'!

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:05 PM
Chris_Halpin,

I know you mean well, but it`s a fight against the tide. Many times I have tried to put some sanity to people here and it`s not possible. A lot of guys are sensible, but it`s a big world out there. A lot don`t care, don`t wanna stop, they`ll just whine and and whine and whine until they get what they want- and whine some more.

It`s a vicious circle Olegg does what they want- they get worse. Look at the P-47 chaps- they got there increased roll-rate. Now they want there `engine invulnerable to bullet` on top. And now the Luftwhiner`s are starting up again, though I don`t blame them if indeed the K4`s rudder don`t work- that`s a valid whine.

Anyway, I`ve given it up. You won`t stop them. Oleg should just do what he likes and let God sort `em out! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif





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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:13 PM
Hey, but I never really whined !!!
I just don't think the story about K4 is whining, come on!!

Ok, all the stuff about P-47 rollrate, P-39 don't know what, P-40 too slow, etc etc, is whining, ok, but if you don't stand it, just don't read it!!


If you not consider my signature, but that's not really whining, it's just asking for some more nice planes on the add-on...

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It`s a vicious circle Olegg does what they want- they get worse. Look at the P-47 chaps- they got there increased roll-rate. Now they want there `engine invulnerable to bullet` on top. And now the Luftwhiner`s are starting up again, though I don`t blame them if indeed the K4`s rudder don`t work- that`s a valid whine.

Anyway, I`ve given it up. You won`t stop them. Oleg should just do what he likes and let God sort `em out! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. My gripe is that the reason there are bugs in the releases is because of the whining the community puts on (read lots of pressure). Eventually developer support for IL2 will die, all due to the whiners who want everything now. They are destroying the community. How can people be so impetuant and childish?

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:27 PM
Chris_Halpin wrote:
- Exactly. My gripe is that the reason there are bugs
- in the releases is because of the whining the
- community puts on (read lots of pressure).
- Eventually developer support for IL2 will die, all
- due to the whiners who want everything now. They are
- destroying the community. How can people be so
- impetuant and childish?

Beside the fact that you see too many Hitchcock movies, I've noticed that there are almost as many anti-whiners threads as whiners ones. And they are as petulant, impetuant and childish as theose who whine.
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This makes me think.... who whines really? Those whining on 1.1 patch, or those whining on those whining on 1.1 patch?

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:38 PM
I haven't seen many "anti-whiners",me and 2 or 3 others are all I've seen...

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Beside the fact that you see too many Hitchcock movies, I've noticed that there are almost as many anti-whiners threads as whiners ones. And they are as petulant, impetuant and childish as theose who whine.


This makes me think.... who whines really? Those whining on 1.1 patch, or those whining on those whining on 1.1 patch?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For starters, I can't stand Hitchcock, so I have no idea what you are referring to.

Secondly the dictionary definition of whine is "To complain or protest in a childish fashion." The "whiners" are unjustified in their particular stream of verbose diarrhea, which, coupled with the constant feet stamping and cries of "we want it now!" Equates to childish in my opinion. However the people whining about the whiners, as you so eloquently phrased it, are completely justified. We actually care about the game and the community. You on the other hand, appear not to.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:42 PM
It`s very sad that Oleg is allowing himself to be whined to the extent of releasing rushed `Final` patches. I work as an artist and NOONE rushes me to complete a job (well, maybe when I was younger- a long time ago!)

Anyway, He should know better than to listen to these Whiners unconditionally.





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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:48 PM
Chris_Halpin wrote:
- For starters, I can't stand Hitchcock, so I have no
- idea what you are referring to.

I was referring at the dramatic picture you imagined: "Eventually developer support for IL2 will die, all due to the whiners"

- Secondly the dictionary definition of whine is "To
- complain or protest in a childish fashion." The
- "whiners" are unjustified in their particular stream
- of verbose diarrhea, which, coupled with the
- constant feet stamping and cries of "we want it
- now!" Equates to childish in my opinion. However the
- people whining about the whiners, as you so
- eloquently phrased it, are completely justified. We
- actually care about the game and the community. You
- on the other hand, appear not to.

So, what did you propose for "the game and the community care" in the infinite wisdom of your 10 posts?
And can you find any whining of me on the forum? I don't think so...

Peace and Love!

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:48 PM
Cippacometa wrote:
- This makes me think.... who whines really? Those
- whining on 1.1 patch, or those whining on those
- whining on 1.1 patch?

If everyone suddenly stopped whining about the patch, you'd find out. Is that likely to happen? Not hardly.

And by the way (this is for everyone), there's a major difference between reporting a bug and whining. Even if you've got a legitimate bug like this K4 rudder business, there's a good way and a bad way to report it. See if you can guess which is the good way:

1. "After installing the latest patch, I've noticed that the 109K4's rudder is completely unresponsive, and I believe this to be a bug in the patch, as it worked before I installed it. I hope this can be fixed quickly."

2. "The *#&%ing develloppers #!&@$$*ed up the game again, and the #*%&$ing testers didn't catch it! You #*%#@ers couldn't code a &$*@ing piece of softwear if you're sorrey lives depended on it! I know why yuo did this. Yuo hate me, dont you! You KNOW this is teh ONLY plan I fly, adn now it's PORKED!!1! That's it; i'm unninstaling FB as soon as I hit "Post," adn im going back to CFS1! Thsoe guys nkow how to write teh game!!!!1"

If you answered "2," don't let the door hit you in the rudder on the way out.


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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:51 PM
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Cippacometa wrote:
- Chris_Halpin wrote:
-- For starters, I can't stand Hitchcock, so I have no
-- idea what you are referring to.
-
- I was referring at the dramatic picture you
- imagined: "Eventually developer support for IL2 will
- die, all due to the whiners"
-
-- Secondly the dictionary definition of whine is "To
-- complain or protest in a childish fashion." The
-- "whiners" are unjustified in their particular stream
-- of verbose diarrhea, which, coupled with the
-- constant feet stamping and cries of "we want it
-- now!" Equates to childish in my opinion. However the
-- people whining about the whiners, as you so
-- eloquently phrased it, are completely justified. We
-- actually care about the game and the community. You
-- on the other hand, appear not to.
-
- So, what did you propose for "the game and the
- community care" in the infinite wisdom of your 10
- posts?
- And can you find any whining of me on the forum? I
- don't think so...
-
- Peace and Love!
-
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:59 PM
I don't think you can call it all whining, a lot of peeps here are just comparing notes and looking for feed back! 109 K I think will be fixed very soon, an unfortunate oversight. Though I haven't flown every thing I think sound is much better and those CFS 3 SSttttuuders seem to be gone! Miss flying the emil the way I used to but made a few adjustments in how I fly it, and its still a good fighter,

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:03 PM
Chris_Halpin wrote:
- It takes the last rantings of a desperate man to
- clutch at a post count as an argument /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yes I'm desperate! please help me.
Anyway maybe I didn't undderstand. you said "However the
people whining about the whiners, as you so
eloquently phrased it, are completely justified. We
actually care about the game and the community. You
on the other hand, appear not to. "

You is me or you is the whiners?
Beaceuse, in both cases, this presumes that I am a whiner.
Thus, provide me a post wher I was "complaining or protesting in a childish fashion in an injustified particular stream of verbose diarrhea".
Then you can call me whiner.
In the meanwhile, reading your verbose posts in this thread, I can easily call you an anti-whiner whiner... and, ah! Sorry for the story of the 10 posts, I didn't mean to offend you. But I did't resist, it was too easy!

Love & Peace

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:06 PM
DrDave242 wrote:
- If you answered "2," don't let the door hit you in
- the rudder on the way out.


I did not answer "2",
I just said: "Now try to take off with a Bf.109K-4."
Short, concise and straight to the point, isn't it?

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:06 PM
I think that for the most part people acknowledge what a great game IL2-FB has become. We all derive a ton of enjoyment out of it! But, when it comes go "goring an ox", it does not do the 'ol PR department any good! Fix one thing hose the K4 rudder. Its a bit comical I think. People need to vent and yes there are the pathological sociopaths that lurk the forums...so what! IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE....is the patch going to cause the world to stop turning not likely. Face it if were lurking in these forums reading and posting back about "whiners", were losers just like they are.

Its all for kick right!

Happy hunting and check six!

Tony Ascaso, RN

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:16 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:19 PM
Sorry for the empty post!

tascaso wrote:
- IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE....is the
- patch going to cause the world to stop turning not
- likely. Face it if we're lurking in these forums
- reading and posting back about "whiners", were
- losers just like they are.

You got the point, guy!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I hope now AWWs (anti-whiner whiners) will understand, too. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bye, Peace & Love!

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:20 PM
Chris_Halpin wrote:
- Although I've very rarely posted here before, I feel
- the need to chip in with a comment now. Why is it
- some people feel the need to constantly complain,
- whine, whinge and generally moan about everything?
- Since the release of FB the amount of complaining
- has increased incredibly. Within ten minutes of the
- patch being completed there were multiple threads
- complaining about it. If you've got a gripe - be
- constructive. Send the devs an e-mail detailing the
- problem. At the very least take five minutes to read
- other posts and keep the comments confined to the
- one thread. And if you are polite and eloquent in
- your complaint, I'm pretty sure they'll reply and
- the community will get an official response. Both
- the IL-2:FB and LO:MAC communities seem to enjoy
- this constant moan-fest, complain about everything
- and make a lot of people's lives a misery. So what
- if a patch gets delayed. So what if a demo doesn't
- get released. If it is delayed there is a good
- reason - the devs need to work the bugs out. And if
- it gets released hastily still containing bugs, as
- appears to be the case here - well we can all point
- our fingers knowingly at the whiner brigade.
-
-
-
-
-

I agree with the logic of your well reasoned comments, but it doesn't seem to work like this. It is very hard for people to accept 'improvements' to a game that are actually a step backwards.
The original Il-2 had a good few patches and mostly they made improvements, plus adding new aircraft (and for free!).
However there are certain aspects of FB that weakened the good work of Il-2 that have never been addressed, and in the same way the patch has compounded this.
I love having the extra a/c and maps in FB, and I know nothing of real-life FMs so keep well out of those fights, but it seems that the whining has increased exponentially since FB was released because it has never appeared to be a finished product, and still doesn't.
I would much rather Oleg and his team worked on the 'real' bugs and problems that exist in FB rather than add a few more a/c which will probably start innumerable new flame wars.
It won't happen though, because I suspect Il-2 FB is coming to the end of it's commercial life. The community will keep it alive until a better WW2 flight sim comes along, which could be some time.
So although there is no finer flight sim around today, we're are stuck with something that is almost perfect, but has never quite achieved that perfection.
Cheers!

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:24 PM
Dunkelgrun wrote:
- So although there is no finer flight sim around
- today, we're are stuck with something that is almost
- perfect, but has never quite achieved that
- perfection.
- Cheers!

Dunkelgun, I love your style (maybe I already said this somewere else...).



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:26 PM
Heh, I liked that so much I mad it my sig. That is funny as it is so true of some people.

"The *#&%ing develloppers #!&@$$*ed up the game again, and the #*%&$ing testers didn't catch it! You #*%#@ers couldn't code a &$*@ing piece of softwear if you're sorrey lives depended on it! I know why yuo did this. Yuo hate me, dont you! You KNOW this is teh ONLY plan I fly, adn now it's PORKED!!1! That's it; i'm unninstaling FB as soon as I hit "Post," adn im going back to CFS1! Thsoe guys nkow how to write teh game!!!!1"

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:22 AM
I've been sigged by a VIP! My work here is done. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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